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post #1981 of 1994 Old 08-31-2015, 04:52 PM
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Ok I guess I should put it another way. I have never had a component with balanced digital input or output. Are these only on real high end gear? Or is it common to see it on cheaper gear? Other than pro gear what are the advantages?
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I'm new to this thread and thinking about replacing a Cary Cinema 12 with an SP 3. Does the SP 3 accept DSD surround via HDMI, is it free of noises (clicks and pops) when switching HDMI sources, and can speaker crossovers be set individually? I suspect sound with the SP 3 may be a bit superior to that with the C12.

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The SP3 does not do DSD, only PCM. I can't answer for sure on clicks and pops but don't believe so. Only issue I observed is it takes a second or so to relock on a signal when changing. A bit frustrating when wanting to hear the beginning of a song.
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The SP3 does not do DSD, only PCM. I can't answer for sure on clicks and pops but don't believe so. Only issue I observed is it takes a second or so to relock on a signal when changing. A bit frustrating when wanting to hear the beginning of a song.
I have no relock problems with my SP3. I don't have a problem with hearing the beginning of a song. There is no cut off of the first few seconds. As far as DSD, I looked at catalog of music and found that there is not one title that I have any interest in, and I was totally unfamiliar with the artist on DSD. I like modern music so I have no need for DSD. Its a PCM world. If you are a classical music lover, then DSD is something you need to pursue.
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As I understand it, there is a delicate balance between suppressing audio during HDMI handshakes and missing the start of a track. Bryston may be on the suppression side, Cary on the minimizing audio loss side even though occasional noisy handshakes assault the listener. The Cary does accept surround DSD.

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As I understand it, there is a delicate balance between suppressing audio during HDMI handshakes and missing the start of a track. Bryston may be on the suppression side, Cary on the minimizing audio loss side even though occasional noisy handshakes assault the listener. The Cary does accept surround DSD.

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I have always wondered how processors like the Foundation and perhaps the Cary can do multi-channel DSD. Does it convert to PCM when you use bass managagement?
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I have always wondered how processors like the Foundation and perhaps the Cary can do multi-channel DSD. Does it convert to PCM when you use bass managagement?
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Yes gbaby with the Foundation I ran all speakers fullrange. I have identical spkrs all around x7. They play flat to 40hz . So to me it was incredible.

In fact I had one hdcd that I would play with my oppo 105. The oppo sends out hdcd. I sold the 105 because the dacs in the Foundation were the same. My new bluray player when playing the same cd sounds not as good. All regular cd's sound the same or close enough that I really can't tell the difference. But that one Keiko Matsui hdcd when played back is not as layered,or smooth.
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I have always wondered how processors like the Foundation and perhaps the Cary can do multi-channel DSD. Does it convert to PCM when you use bass managagement?
I use a Sony XA5400ES to play surround SACDs. The Cary Cinema 12 displays DSD. As far as I can tell there is no bass management and the subs are not activated -- a small blue light on the Velodyne HGS-15s comes on when the sub is active, and I don't see that light. With non-DSD, bass management by the Cary seems very effective.

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Thanks. Your answers are always succinct. Well in that case, that means only 2 channels are DSD and multichannel is PCM 176/24. Not bad though.
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Thanks. Your answers are always succinct. Well in that case, that means only 2 channels are DSD and multichannel is PCM 176/24. Not bad though.
Not true with the Cary Cinema 12 or 11a. Multichannel is DSD as well. IIRC, Kal Rubinson really liked the sound of PCM from the Sony XA5400ES through the Bryson SP-3, a combination I may soon try if I buy a used SP-3.

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Not true with the Cary Cinema 12 or 11a. Multichannel is DSD as well. IIRC, Kal Rubinson really liked the sound of PCM from the Sony XA5400ES through the Bryson SP-3, a combination I may soon try if I buy a used SP-3.

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I think all mult-channel DSD processors convert to PCM when you use a crossover frequency for a sub unless you use the "large" speaker setting with no crossover frequency. As far as a used SP-3, I don't think you can go wrong. I am still enamored with mine, and with the BDP-2 using its balanced digital output, music never sounded better. It sort of reminds me of that reel to reel sound from an old TEAC tape recorded I owned.
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I think all mult-channel DSD processors convert to PCM when you use a crossover frequency for a sub unless you use the "large" speaker setting with no crossover frequency.
Yes. No AVR or prepro, afaik, can do any DSP on DSD, so a conversion to PCM is necessary. Of course, not everyone needs to do bass management.

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Yes. No AVR or prepro, afaik, can do any DSP on DSD, so a conversion to PCM is necessary. Of course, not everyone needs to do bass management.
Kal, thank you for the confirmation. Well dbphd, there is your answer.
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I'm not sure what the Cary Cinema 12 does internally when presented with DSD, but I'm pretty sure it does no speaker management. I've not seen the subs activated unless the SACD is the rare 5.1. The center channel is not distributed to the LR channels if the input is bitstream. I discovered this when the Blue-ray The Devil Wears Prada had no dialog. Setting the output of the Oppo 105 to LPCM restored dialog -- I've since added a center channel. My experience with the Sony XA5400ES and Cary C12 is limited to surround, because I prefer the Ayre C-5xeMP through the Parasound JC 2 BP for stereo. The Oppo 105 is used with the Cary C12 for HT with Blue-ray and a DirecTV HR44 HD DVR as sources, and the subs are frequently activated with those sources.

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