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Best way to connect Oppo UDP-205

This is a question for those who are lucky enough to have a Bryston SP3 and an Oppo UDP-205.

What will give the best sound quality for two-channel music on CD: a digital connection between the two, so the DAC of the SP3 is used, or a balanced analog connection so the DAC in the UDP-205 is used?

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This is a question for those who are lucky enough to have a Bryston SP3 and an Oppo UDP-205.

What will give the best sound quality for two-channel music on CD: a digital connection between the two, so the DAC of the SP3 is used, or a balanced analog connection so the DAC in the UDP-205 is used?
I own both, but not in the same setup. The Bryston SP3 gets HDMI and balanced analog from an Oppo 105D, but I prefer HDMI and thus the SP3 DAC. The sound is superb. The 205 sends balanced analog to an Ayre preamp. The sound is superb, better than analog from the 105D. You can have both HDMI and analog from the 205 to the SP3, so you can switch between them from the SP3 remote. I'd try them both. You might find that you prefer analog from the 205 for stereo and HDMi from the 205 for surround. Oppo has really done some magic with analog audio from the 205. Balanced analog stereo from the 205 is very close to that from my Ayre C-5xeMP.

The reasons I don't have a 205 in both setups is that it doesn't offer streaming services like Netflix, my projector isn't 4K, I can use an Esoteric SA-60 for stereo and surround music, and it isn't available in silver. But I do have an extra slot available in my equipment cabinet . . .

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Thank you very much for the answer.

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... You might find that you prefer analog from the 205 for stereo and HDMi from the 205 for surround. Oppo has really done some magic with analog audio from the 205 ...

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This is what I am hoping for! At the moment, I have a CD player and an integrated amplifier (from Moon) for two channel music and a Blu-ray player and an AV amplifier (from Primare) for movies and multi channel music. That looks like a good solution, but there are two disadvantages: it is a bit complicated for my wife and the sound quality of multi channel is on a much lower level. So hopefully I can get excellent results for both two channel and multi channel with a first class processor like the Bryston SP3. I will have to sell my electronic gear to finance the Oppo UDP-205, Bryston SP3 and a multi channel power amplifier but I don’t want to lose too much of the quality of two channel music.

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At the moment, I have a CD player and an integrated amplifier (from Moon) for two channel music and a Blu-ray player and an AV amplifier (from Primare) for movies and multi channel music. That looks like a good solution, but there are two disadvantages: it is a bit complicated for my wife and the sound quality of multi channel is on a much lower level. So hopefully I can get excellent results for both two channel and multi channel with a first class processor like the Bryston SP3. I will have to sell my electronic gear to finance the Oppo UDP-205, Bryston SP3 and a multi channel power amplifier but I don’t want to lose too much of the quality of two channel music.i
I'm pretty sure you wont lose any quality due the Oppo UDP-205 and Bryston SP3, it will depend on the amps. You might want to consider separate amps for stereo and surround. The SP3 provides triggers for turning amps on and off, so your wife need deal only with the fully labeled SP3 remote.

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Thank you again for your reply.

I have heard the Bryston a few times and I have no doubts about the SP3, but I can't imagine that for CDs the Oppo has a comparable sound quality as my CD player, which has a price level that is much higher. If I decide to keep my CD player, then I have less budget for the power amplifier, so no more Bryston, but an Anthem or a Primare probably.

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[QUOTE=WillyPi;54603296I can't imagine that for CDs the Oppo has a comparable sound quality as my CD player, which has a price level that is much higher.i[/QUOTE]

You should try the 205 rather than prematurely changing your plans. You can return it if it doesn't meet the sound quality you're looking for, but you might be surprised. Oppo has volume of sales to subsidize R&D and parts purchasing, whereas high price can reflect a niche market.

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This is a question for those who are lucky enough to have a Bryston SP3 and an Oppo UDP-205.

What will give the best sound quality for two-channel music on CD: a digital connection between the two, so the DAC of the SP3 is used, or a balanced analog connection so the DAC in the UDP-205 is used?

Thanks,

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Use them balanced analog connections!
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Has anyone seen this before.?

When I powered on my the SP3 this morning nothing happened and the display had a message: POWER SUPPLY OR FUSE FAILED! Does this sound like a blown fuse? If so, is replacing the fuses something I can do.
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It "sounds" broken to me. But Bryston has an excellent reputation for standing behind their products.
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This is a question for those who are lucky enough to have a Bryston SP3 and an Oppo UDP-205.

What will give the best sound quality for two-channel music on CD: a digital connection between the two, so the DAC of the SP3 is used, or a balanced analog connection so the DAC in the UDP-205 is used?

Thanks,

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Talking about Oppo, what would be the best connection between the UDP-203 and the SP3 for two-channel music: digital (via S/PDIF) or analogue (via RCA)?

Thanks,

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Talking about Oppo, what would be the best connection between the UDP-203 and the SP3 for two-channel music: digital (via S/PDIF) or analogue (via RCA)?i
Definitely digital, with a high-quality Toslink cable, assuming the 203 has optical output, otherwise coax.

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Definitely digital, with a high-quality Toslink cable, assuming the 203 has optical output, otherwise coax.

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Thank you very much for your reply. So you have also experience with the Oppo BDP-203? My conclusion, based on your expertise, is that for two-channel music the Oppo BDP-205 has the best DAC, followed by the Bryston SP3 and the Oppo UDP-203 closes the row.

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I have an Oppo 105, 105D, 205, and Bryston SP3, but the 205 and SP3 are in different setups, so I've been unable to compare the two.

Whereas the 105 played nicely with DirecTV HDMI, the connection to the 205 has frequent audio drop outs and loss of audio when pausing, fast forwarding, or changing program. Reselecting HDMI input fixes the problem, but it gets annoying. I plan to reinstall the 105 and use its optical output to access the D/A processing of an Ayre QX-5 Twenty, which is likely a bit superior to the excellent DAC of the 205. And exchanging the 105 for the 205 will also restore the Berlin Philharmonic, Netflix, and Tidal services that are important to me. I'll use the 205 for 4K videos. It's connected via balanced analog to an Ayre KX-5 Twenty.

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I have an Oppo 105, 105D, 205, and Bryston SP3, but the 205 and SP3 are in different setups, so I've been unable to compare the two.

Whereas the 105 played nicely with DirecTV HDMI, the connection to the 205 has frequent audio drop outs and loss of audio when pausing, fast forwarding, or changing program. Reselecting HDMI input fixes the problem, but it gets annoying. I plan to reinstall the 105 and use its optical output to access the D/A processing of an Ayre QX-5 Twenty, which is likely a bit superior to the excellent DAC of the 205. And exchanging the 105 for the 205 will also restore the Berlin Philharmonic, Netflix, and Tidal services that are important to me. I'll use the 205 for 4K videos. It's connected via balanced analog to an Ayre KX-5 Twenty.

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Thanks again for your reply; really appreciated. My current blu-ray player is the Primare BD32, which is also Oppo based, but with better analogue stages than the Oppo BDP-105(D). It is functioning flawlessly so after all I have learned about problems with the Oppo UDP-20X series I think I will keep my Primare. I originally intended to trade it in for a new Oppo but I have changed my mind.

Of course I have to listen for myself what the best connection will be between the Primare BD32 and the Bryston SP3 for 2-channel music, but it is a bit of a hassle to reach the electronic gear that is in my lowboard. Changing cabling afterwards is just a nightmare. It is for this reason that I am asking advice in this thread.

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Is this unit going to get a 4K/Atmos upgrade? SP4?

Not understanding if the last page posts are fact or speculation.

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Is this unit going to get a 4K/Atmos upgrade? SP4?

Not understanding if the last page posts are fact or speculation.

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Not sure about what level of 4K (HDMI version and number) but pretty sure no ATMOS. There are 4K upgrade options. I continually kick myself for not taking a deal I once had.

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... I continually kick myself for not taking a deal I once had.
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... I continually kick myself for not taking a deal I once had.
What deal is that?
Offer on a demo SP3, snooze and I lost.

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Not sure about what level of 4K (HDMI version and number) but pretty sure no ATMOS. There are 4K upgrade options. I continually kick myself for not taking a deal I once had.

I read elsewhere that it is HDMI version 2.0 which cannot do HDR video.
Bottom line: No Atmos and no HDR.
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I read elsewhere that it is HDMI version 2.0 which cannot do HDR video.


Since when can't HDMI 2.0 do HDR video?

I believe the issue is that HDCP 2.2 is currently only supported on one input. I've heard that Bryston is working on a solution to get HDCP 2.2 on all of the HDMI inputs.
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Since when can't HDMI 2.0 do HDR video?

I believe the issue is that HDCP 2.2 is currently only supported on one input. I've heard that Bryston is working on a solution to get HDCP 2.2 on all of the HDMI inputs.
This is confirmed via another site. 2.0 cannot pass HDR. 2.0a or 2.0b can. Bryston has confirmed HDR so it will be a minimum of 2.0a. They have also confirmed 6 of 7 HDMI slots will be 2.2 compliant.

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In another forum, I read that there are incompatibilities with Oppo (based) Blu ray players and some AV processors: a split second is shaved off from the beginning of the first track of a CD or DVD / Blu ray, sometimes even from every track. The delay is small but noticeable when the Oppo is connected with an analogue or digital S/PDIF cable and gets worse when connected with a HDMI cable.

Does those problems also occur with an Oppo Blu ray player and a Bryston SP-3?

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