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Just purchased:

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What would be a good, lower end (sub $300) receiver that would adequately power these speakers/sub? I have a PS3, Apple TV, and Roku to connect, so no need for any built–in streaming features, etc.

I've looked at the Denon 1612, which Crunchfield has for $220. Over all, I think it fits my needs, but would like AVSer's input. I know Costco has a Sony and Yamaha on the self in the $200-$250 range, I'll check the model numbers out tomorrow.


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Those are 6-ohm 87db speakers so the 1612 shouldn't have a problem driving them at below reference level (ie. 0db) volume levels.

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My advice would be the 1612 receiver. It's hard to beat for under $300.


Home Theater magazine did a review on it and rated it a Best Buy. You can read the article on their website.
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I'd say the 1712... Skipping MultEQ XT is, in my opinion, insane. How can anyone prioritize network gimmicks over it, especially when most likely anyone who would use such a feature already has other gear that has network connectivity and can do the same stuff (aside, I suppose, from firmware updates for the receiver...)?

OP, check out the Denon xx12 thread to compare features between the models, particularly the 1612 and 1712. You may or may not agree with my opinion that MultEQ XT for sound quality is more important than network features.

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I'd say the 1712... Skipping MultEQ XT is, in my opinion, insane. How can anyone prioritize network gimmicks over it, especially when most likely anyone who would use such a feature already has other gear that has network connectivity and can do the same stuff (aside, I suppose, from firmware updates for the receiver...)?
OP, check out the Denon xx12 thread to compare features between the models, particularly the 1612 and 1712. You may or may not agree with my opinion that MultEQ XT for sound quality is more important than network features.

Where do you suggest I find a 1712. Only a couple of places selling them online that I can find, and they're no bargain. What does MultiEQ XT add? I'll research it now.

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If you can find the 1612 at a more reasonable price, you'll be fine going with it.

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Where do you suggest I find a 1712.

Check it out; Denon AVR 1712,

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Where do you suggest I find a 1712. Only a couple of places selling them online that I can find, and they're no bargain. What does MultiEQ XT add? I'll research it now.

A4L as linked in the post above is also what I would suggest. MultEQ XT is the best auto calibration tool you can get without spending several times the amount of money that the 1712 costs. You set up a microphone (there are guidelines to how to do so) and run a routine within the AVR which will test the acoustics of your speakers/room and try to solve some of the issues (there are ALWAYS issues caused by, at the very least, reflections in the room) and give you better sound. There are threads about it here that you can look up for detailed information, including tips on how to get the most out of it.

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A4L as linked in the post above is also what I would suggest. MultEQ XT is the best auto calibration tool you can get without spending several times the amount of money that the 1712 costs. You set up a microphone (there are guidelines to how to do so) and run a routine within the AVR which will test the acoustics of your speakers/room and try to solve some of the issues (there are ALWAYS issues caused by, at the very least, reflections in the room) and give you better sound. There are threads about it here that you can look up for detailed information, including tips on how to get the most out of it.

It looks like the 1612 also comes with an Audyssey microphone, right? So it'll at least calibrate the speakers for the seating positions, right? I don't buy refurbished stuff, but thanks,
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It looks like the 1612 also comes with an Audyssey microphone, right? So it'll at least calibrate the speakers for the seating positions, right? I don't buy refurbished stuff, but thanks,

The 1712 has a much better Audyssey version that adds equalization of the subwoofer and more channels of equalization. I really recommend you do go refurb for either the 1612 or 1712. A4L is well known and liked and an authorized Denon dealer (amongst other brands e.g. Marantz). They do have the 1712 new for $50 more.

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The 1712 has a much better Audyssey version that adds equalization of the subwoofer and more channels of equalization. I really recommend you do go refurb for either the 1612 or 1712. A4L is well known and liked and an authorized Denon dealer (amongst other brands e.g. Marantz). They do have the 1712 new for $50 more.

MultEQ in the 1612 has the same number of sub filters as does MultEQ XT in the 1712, rather XT just has 8x more speaker filters.

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MultEQ in the 1612 has the same number of sub filters as does MultEQ XT in the 1712, rather XT just has 8x more speaker filters.

Yep, was thinking of 2EQ there.

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Unlike Onkyo lower/mid level AVRs that only use 2EQ, Denon AVRs start out with MultEQ.

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I think the 1612 will be plenty for me. I can always upgrade to the 1713 next year, after it drops in price.

I have the towers and center hooked up to a 10-15 year old Panasonic ht in a box receiver. It said 6 ohms, so I figured it'd work for the time being. Didn't hook up the sub, since I wasn't sure if it was compatible. Pioneer sub has RW inputs on the back and 2+/2- wire inputs, but the receiver only has one set of wire outputs for the sub, and the current sub is powered by the receiver.
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Virtually anything you buy will power these speakers with no problem. It's not like they are a difficult load or anything. If you are truly looking to surf the bottom of price, then just pick up anything clean on eBay on the used market. Why bother with a new receiver?
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Can equalizer settings on recievers be adjusted for people that are very hearing impaired in the high frequency ranges?

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Sure they can. Simply bring up the built in EQ, pick a frequency range and raise the sliders up by the amount necessary to offset any hearing loss. It never hurts to know what frequency range the loss is in so you know what areas to increase.
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Thanks. Does the Denon 1612 have this capability?

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yes, you just manually adjust the Audyssey settings.

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Just bought the 1612 for $199.99 from Crunchfield with promo code 3A172.
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Thanks. Does the Denon 1612 have this capability?

Although you can make adjustments to a very primitive "Manual" EQ curve, doing so will disable Audyssey and not allow you to use either of the Audyssey Dyn EQ or Dyn Volume features. You may want to look in to a Pioneer AVR as the EQ program used (MCAAC) can be more readily adjusted to suit your needs.

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Although you can make adjustments to a very primitive "Manual" EQ curve, doing so will disable Audyssey and not allow you to use either of the Audyssey Dyn EQ or Dyn Volume features. You may want to look in to a Pioneer AVR as the EQ program used (MCAAC) can be more readily adjusted to suit your needs.

Any paticular model # you would recommend given my limited hearing and something close to the cost of the Denon 1612?
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You're better served asking in one of the Pioneer threads if you don't get any further responses here.

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I Was a non believer and couldn't live with the distortion of my Sony any longer. I bought a Denon 2708(?) used on ebay for $180 or so and I will never go back. I would say Denon is definately the way to go.
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Just purchased:
SP-FS51-LR Floorstanding Speakers Pair
SP-BS21-LR Bookshelf Loudspeakers Pair
SP-C21 Center Channel Speaker
SW-8 100W Powered Subwoofer
What would be a good, lower end (sub $300) receiver that would adequately power these speakers/sub? I have a PS3, Apple TV, and Roku to connect, so no need for any built–in streaming features, etc.
I've looked at the Denon 1612, which Crunchfield has for $220. Over all, I think it fits my needs, but would like AVSer's input. I know Costco has a Sony and Yamaha on the self in the $200-$250 range, I'll check the model numbers out tomorrow.
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