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I have an AVR-3312ci which I love. I use Multi Channel Surround to drive a pair of 25 year old Klipshorns and a matching Belle Klipsch. Awesome sound on all three channels, and I love being able to control balance and center channel fill. NO surround. Please, no speeches about surround. Not interested in surround except to the extent that it is supported by the front channels.

Here is my question. If I use my Blu-Ray player to play a CD over its HDMI link, I cannot select Multi Channel Surround unless I turn off HDMI Control. I need HDMI Control on if I want to use Audio Return Channel to my TV set. What the heck does HDMI Control have to do with Surround Sound? There is no problem when using non-HDMI sources. It is kind of a nuisance to have to navigate to the HDMI setup menu every time I use the Blu-Ray, and again when I use a non-HDMI source.

Tried to find a thread addressing this with no luck. If there is one, please point me to it. Thanks.

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Why not connect a pair of stereo cables from your blu ray player to the receiver and use the CD input? Leave the HDMI cable in place too.

Then when you play CD's just switch the receiver to the CD input. You wont have to worry about turning off HDMI control.

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I haven't heard of this limitation before; however, a few possible solutions/work arounds would be ....

1. Reset the microprocessor (p. 149) after using the Web Control "SAVE" feature to save the config file to a PC.
2. Use the Dolby PLII - Cinema surround mode.
3. Connect an optical cable from the TV to the AVR to pass ARC audio

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1. I should have said Multi Channel Stereo instead of Multi Channel Surround.

2. The whole point of using HDMI is to reduce the number of cables.

3. I have a 400 disc carousel connected to the CD input. It is not convenient for playing single discs.

4. I really would like to know why turning on HDMI Control should constrain the audio options. Makes no sense to me.

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3. The analog connection from the BDP can go to any open analog input (ie. doesn't have to be CD).
4. Don't know. Give Denon a call.

Another option is to post a request in the Denon XX12 Owner's thread linked in my sig to see if another 3312CI owner can recreate your issue to confirm whether it's a factory default or simply an issue with your unit.

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Why not connect a pair of stereo cables from your blu ray player to the receiver and use the CD input? Leave the HDMI cable in place too.
Then when you play CD's just switch the receiver to the CD input. You wont have to worry about turning off HDMI control.
you are right....thats what i did and it works fine....biggrin.gif

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Dolby PL2 Cinema is one of several modes that cannot be used with front speakers only.

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You indicated you have 3 front speakers, so DD PLII should simulate the center channel audio missing from a stereo audio track.

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Dolby PL2 Cinema is one of several modes that cannot be used with front speakers only. See the owner's manual page 55.

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It was one of several options suggested ... if it doesn't work, you've still got other options.

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HDMI 1.4a compliant devices will use the HDMI cable for communication when bi direction mode is on, this mode is switched through HDMI control so the units know it time to talk to one another, VS. i send you receive.

You should have surround sound to prevent the loss of audio channels. Your audio stream is going to put the sound to non exist-ant speakers, resulting in you literally not hearing something because its sent to a speaker that does not exist.

to solve this problem hook it up right, get you rear channels, turn on HDMI control, and run your equipment to the receiver, NOT the tv. Video out from the receiver goes to the tv only!

any other way, and it just complicates things....

Or do as suggested and hookup the CD connection.
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