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thanks colin, that makes sense. You're right, it is good to know, but I can't help feeling now that the Emo quote is vaguely misleading.It is a plus that the 200 has two chips of course, but weighed against other factors I'm still leaning towards the outlaw,

Its good that theres 2 components available to suit different requirements and you cant really go wrong value wise . Exciting times smile.gif I put faith in the extra processing power enabling additional dsp modes as theres many new ones just around the corner - of course its impossible to pick which ones will succeed wink.gif [theres a dolby atmos disc available allready]
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[theres a dolby atmos disc available allready]
Which one is that?
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My review of the 975 just went live: http://www.hometheater.com/content/outlaw-model-975-surround-processor
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Which one is that?
Should have double checked Roger was thinking of the 2l auro 3d

http://www.2l.no/e-book/2L090.pdf

Hopefully dolby wont be far behind with a taken 2 version when its cinema run ends smile.gif

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/content/movie/release/taken-2.html
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My review of the 975 just went live: http://www.hometheater.com/content/outlaw-model-975-surround-processor

Read it earlier in the day, didn't even grasp the fact it was you. smile.gif Great review, I almost subscribed to the mag on the spot based soley on your review. And it pretty much cinched it for me-the 975 sounds perfect for my needs. Kudos to you and to Outlaw.

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Read it earlier in the day, didn't even grasp the fact it was you. smile.gif Great review, I almost subscribed to the mag on the spot based soley on your review. And it pretty much cinched it for me-the 975 sounds perfect for my needs. Kudos to you and to Outlaw.

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Thanks Dave - great review. Any ideas on how the 975 would perform with a vinyl setup? I know I would need a phono preamp but was more curious about how the 975 treats the analog signal. I currently have a Parasound 5250 amp and was thinking of getting the Parasound 2100 (with bypass) for 2.1 channel music playback and the the 975 for everything else.
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Dave,

When I compared the analog output with FLAC files over a Squeezebox versus the digital, I thought they both sounded great. Same thing using an Oppo BDP-95 via analog stereo into the 975. In my treated room both sounded excellent. One caveat though...I'm basing the audio on the price of the pre/pro, which performs much better than its cost. I'm sure there is better out there for significantly more money. Does that make sense?

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Thanks Dave I understand exactly what you're saying. I ordered the 975 and am going to try it out with my vinyl set up first and go from there. I also have the old Oppo BDP-83 Special Edition so real curious how it will sound via analog stereo. At least I'm confident the 975 will handle everything else I need an av processor for. Thanks again for the fine review.
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Thanks Dave I understand exactly what you're saying. I ordered the 975 and am going to try it out with my vinyl set up first and go from there. I also have the old Oppo BDP-83 Special Edition so real curious how it will sound via analog stereo. At least I'm confident the 975 will handle everything else I need an av processor for. Thanks again for the fine review.

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Thanks Dave, nice review!

As for analog in to the 975 well it does go through a ADC like any other high-end pre/pro without a bypass. How much this degrades the audio by any measure would require test gear and some detailed listening. I do use an Adcom GFT555 FM tuner with my 975's analog in for my local classical station. I don't notice much difference between my old Lexicon pre/pro analog in doing the same thing. My listening is mostly red book CD and loss less Blu-Ray but Outlaw really should have added an analog pass through for the vinyl lovers.

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Does anyone know if the Analog Stereo or PCM Stereo listening modes on the 975 trigger the subwoofer? I use an Outlaw ICBM-1 for stereo bass management so I would prefer it did not.
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Does anyone know if the Analog Stereo or PCM Stereo listening modes on the 975 trigger the subwoofer? I use an Outlaw ICBM-1 for stereo bass management so I would prefer it did not.

It should not in "direct" mode.
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Does anyone know if the Analog Stereo or PCM Stereo listening modes on the 975 trigger the subwoofer? I use an Outlaw ICBM-1 for stereo bass management so I would prefer it did not.
The stereo modes do not, of themselves, trigger the subwoofer. That is decided when you set up the speaker bass management.
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Great thanks.
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My review of the 975 just went live: http://www.hometheater.com/content/outlaw-model-975-surround-processor



great review. I am still on the fence about getting this pre due to lack of analog pass through, and no phono stage. Dave, the main question I had was about scaling, what sources did you use other than blu ray? I am into legacy equipment, and will often use the pass through, but at times I want it scaled. My current AVR does a poor job of it for sure. Is the outlaw 4k scaling? what was the issue with that? They won't tell us what chips or software are involved with the video scaling? how rude....

since the competition (emotiva) does not include ANY legacy video support, that is even worse for me than having left out only phono. I am at least thankful that Outlaw has left me an option outside of vastly expensive pre's and avr's with bloated features I will never use. (I have room correction now and never used it)
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I used a TiVo Series 3 set to native output, but granted, I don't watch much (if any) and some DVDs from an Oppo (native output). I found the scaling to be good, not great. The DVD output from the Oppo scaled to 1080p was better than what the Outlaw could do, but if your display is smaller (mine is 88 inches diagonally) you probably will be impressed. The output from the Outlaw was superior to the scaling in my TiVo.

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I used a TiVo Series 3 set to native output, but granted, I don't watch much (if any) and some DVDs from an Oppo (native output). I found the scaling to be good, not great. The DVD output from the Oppo scaled to 1080p was better than what the Outlaw could do, but if your display is smaller (mine is 88 inches diagonally) you probably will be impressed. The output from the Outlaw was superior to the scaling in my TiVo.

thanks! I'm sure it's a step up from my HK 2700, which also does not have phono, or even pre outs. and yes, my screen is less than half the size of yours smile.gif I am afraid that if I wait much longer nothing at all will have legacy support,.
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I'm having a brain fart right now and can't think of their name, but you can buy an outboard phono "thingy" for around $30 and use that with the 975.

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My review of the 975 just went live: http://www.hometheater.com/content/outlaw-model-975-surround-processor

Dan Laufman (President Emotiva) claims that "the 975 DOES NOT allow for bass management and delay management with all high resolution codecs". Is that true?

Source: http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=preamps&thread=28059&post=478124

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Yeah, that was funny, in a thread about the UMC 200, Big Dan throws that out there with no documentation or anything, and then immediately locks the thread. Classless.
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Dan Laufman (President Emotiva) claims that "the 975 DOES NOT allow for bass management and delay management with all high resolution codecs". Is that true?

Source: http://emotivalounge.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=preamps&thread=28059&post=478124


You need to read the last few pages of this thread. Its been covered.

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Lonwolf, that's the exact same thread that Markus linked to, and it only has 10 posts, not several pages. Is that what you were trying for? There's nothing in there that covers it and the thread is actually on the UMC-200.
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I guess he was talking about this post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1423584/outlaw-975/240#post_22783068

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Lonwolf, that's the exact same thread that Markus linked to, and it only has 10 posts, not several pages. Is that what you were trying for? There's nothing in there that covers it and the thread is actually on the UMC-200.


Sorry. I was so concerned about not sounding rude I wasn't clear. I meant this thread here, on avs...If you read back you will see I had the same concerns, was almost in a panic, really. :)The question was addressed, to my satisfaction anyways. Now my only concern is the lack of multichannel analog inputs...I've got probably 30 or so sacds, some are hybrids but some aren't. I could live with listening to the hybrids through optical but the others would be basically useless. Unless there is a work around?

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Funny, I made an assumption there, which was certainly jumping to conclusions, sorry about that.
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Now my only concern is the lack of multichannel analog inputs...I've got probably 30 or so sacds, some are hybrids but some aren't. I could live with listening to the hybrids through optical but the others would be basically useless. Unless there is a work around?

I'm surprised the 975 does not have a 7.1 analog input. If your SACD player has an HDMI output then you could go that route. But if it doesn't I'd go with a different processor so you can play the SACD layer of your SACDs.
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Guys...the 975 is only $549 and it isn't going to have all the bells and whistles of a processor that costs 3X as much (or more). At this price point there WILL be things missing such as a phono and multi-channel analog inputs. If it doesn't have something you need, then look elsewhere but be prepared to spend more money for your pre/pro. To my ears, I thought the 975 sounded great, especially for the price, but it isn't meant to compete with products that retail for north of $1000 or more.

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Guys...the 975 is only $549 and it isn't going to have all the bells and whistles of a processor that costs 3X as much (or more). At this price point there WILL be things missing such as a phono and multi-channel analog inputs. If it doesn't have something you need, then look elsewhere but be prepared to spend more money for your pre/pro. To my ears, I thought the 975 sounded great, especially for the price, but it isn't meant to compete with products that retail for north of $1000 or more.

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I realize the cost issue but including a 7.1 analog input would not have cost much more to add IMO. The other factor is with the 975 offering legacy video inputs one would think the same would apply for a 7.1 analog input.

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Bill,

I get what you're saying, but when you start adding small things one by one you end up adding to the cost significantly. Just by adding 7.1 inputs would probably required the unit to have a larger footprint to accommodate the extra inputs, which would then add to the cost and before you know it you're above the $800 level. For the target audience of this piece I would be willing to be that the majority of them are going to use HDMI for their equipment with only the occasional analog audio input.

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