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Hi everyone. I'm a total audio noob about that's about to purchase my first receiver. My wife and I are finally ready for a surround sound system and I need some input as to which receiver would be best. I have Klipsch Quintet satellite speakers and a Klipsch Synergy 10" Sub and am looking at either a Denon AVR-1713 or an Onkyo TX-NR414 receiver. I want the 2nd zone capability so I can install a couple small speakers outside under my deck. Is there really a huge difference between the Onkyo and the Denon that would make me regret not spending the extra $200 if I was to purchase the Onkyo unit? Also, would I need a second amp to push the speakers that will be outside? If so, can you all recommend something to me? Remember these will just be small outdoor speakers, nothing fancy. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Well unless you are planning on adding an extra amp for the outdoor speakers neither will work as they are only a 5.1 set up. The Dennon offers the ablity to addan external amp thou. If you chhose the Onkyo 515 then you are able to do what you want as add the outdoor speakers... or even the Dennon series starting at 1712 +.

The Main advantage the Dennon has over the Onkyo is the Audyssey. Onkyo only offer the EQ method vs Dennon offers the MultiEQ & some MultiEQ XT as aposed to Onkyo only offering it in thier upper models.
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Wouldnt the Onkyo have the ability to add an external amp as well? Both have Zone 2 line outs.
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Wouldnt the Onkyo have the ability to add an external amp as well? Both have Zone 2 line outs.

My mistake, you are correct! Sorry about that??? Adding an external amp will cost quite abit more $ thou unless you have one to use.
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There is quite a differnece between the Audyssey"s thou as I have experianced that. The EQ is ok but when I upgraded my Onkyo to the Onkyo 808 that has Multi EQ it made a very BIG improvement.
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Hi everyone. I'm a total audio noob about that's about to purchase my first receiver. My wife and I are finally ready for a surround sound system and I need some input as to which receiver would be best. I have Klipsch Quintet satellite speakers and a Klipsch Synergy 10" Sub and am looking at either a Denon AVR-1713 or an Onkyo TX-NR414 receiver. I want the 2nd zone capability so I can install a couple small speakers outside under my deck. Is there really a huge difference between the Onkyo and the Denon that would make me regret not spending the extra $200 if I was to purchase the Onkyo unit? Also, would I need a second amp to push the speakers that will be outside? If so, can you all recommend something to me? Remember these will just be small outdoor speakers, nothing fancy. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Not sure where the $200 price difference is coming from between the 1713 (MSRP $449) and the 414 (MSRP $499), but the 1713 should sound much better as it uses Audyssey MultEQ XT while the 414 uses no Audyssey at all. eek.gif In fact the 1713 would likely sound better than the 515, 616, and 717 as well as they all use the lower version of Audyssey 2EQ which not only has 16x fewer speaker filters than MultEQ XT but also cannot EQ a subwoofer.

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I was basing my prices off of Amazon. The Denon 1713 is $449 and the Onkyo is $279. Looks like the Denon is the way to go. Thanks for the input everyone.
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If you live near a Fry's Electronics, they're currently selling the Denon AVR-1913 for $327
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Is that deal available online? Ive never even heard of Fry's before.
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Nope, in store only. Very rare you can get their best deals online.

Fry's Electronics are huge superstores that started in Silicon Valley here in California and have expanded to most western states and Texas. I think they have a couple stores in the metro Atlanta area too. Great prices, the staff isn't all that knowledgeable except maybe in the computer section. But I always know what I want so the lack of knowledge doesn't bother me.

This is their typical 8 page ad. The Denon 1913 for $327 is on page 6. They usually dont list the model but its pretty easy to figure out what is on sale.
http://www.frys.com/ads/page6

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Well that figures, lol. I'm in Louisiana and am pretty much limited to Best Buy so I do most of my shopping online. Thanks for the suggestion though.
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Here are my 2 cents! I love Denon and am sending this reply to offer an on-line suggestion, although BBuy is a good organization, I think, for a mega-store. In May of this year I purchased a refurbished Denon 3311 for a new set up in my home. I was nervous to do without a new factory warranty, but my online source offered a 1yr protection, and the price was so sweet, so . . . . . . .

Now, here it is about 3 months later, and I am perfectly content, and saved a bag of money as well. So, check out ALL the input from various sources here in the forums and consider accessories4less.com as they treated me very well. The 3311 looks exactly new, is packaged in a box like new, performs perfectly and shipped rapidly via FedEx. I had purchased a Denon 2807 new and added the 3311 for a second system. I still prefer Denon, so consider them a good brand and don't fear the reaper for a refurb. At lease it worked for me! Good Luck.
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Thanks for the suggestion. Is accessories4less.com good to go? Never heard of them before. I see a Denon AVR-2311 on there for $330. It's a 7.2 which is more than I need, but it says I can run a 5.1 inside and use the additional channels to power the 2nd zone speakers that I want to put under my deck, which will eliminate the need for me to get a separate amp for those. Would this be a good unit to go with?
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Yes, AC4L has been around over 10 years and often recommended in this forum for refurb AVRs. Note that any Denon 7.1 AVR can be setup to run 5.1 in the main zone with powered Zone 2 speakers to include the 2311CI. Note however, that the 2311CI is not a networking AVR like the 1713.

You may also want to consider the Denon 1912 if you want a networking model.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1912/DENON-AVR-1912-7.1ch-Network-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver-w/Airplay/1.html

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Thank you for the recommendation. Quick question....you say that any 7.1 can be used as a 5.1 w/ powered Zone 2. I'm wondering if they call all play separate sources through the 2nd zone. Like say if I was watching a Saints game on the TV through the surround sound, but wanted to play the local radio broadcast through the deck speakers...would that Denon unit be able to do that? I'm new to this and dont know if it has to have the Zone 2 specific line outs on the back of the receiver or not if using a 7.1 receiver with 5.1 surround sound.
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Yes. The TUNER, network radio sources, and external sources connected with an analog cable can be independently passed to Zone 2 with another source selected in the main zone. Zone 2 speakers can be powered by either the Surr Back speaker posts on the AVR or via a 2CH amp connected to the Zone 2 pre-outs (on models with Zone 2 pre-outs, which the 1912 does not have).

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how does the Denon 1913 for $327 @Frys compare with Yamaha HTR-7065 7.2 Network AV Receiver for $479.99 at Costco?

It seems that Denon has MultEQ (not the XT) but the Yamaha does not support sub EQ at all. Thanks!
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I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the 1912 from AC4L, unless anyone has any better suggestions.
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Well that figures, lol. I'm in Louisiana and am pretty much limited to Best Buy so I do most of my shopping online. Thanks for the suggestion though.

Drive to Houston Fry's! Hurry before they sell out! JK!

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Anyone know if there is a frys in Indianapolis? I'll be heading there in 2 weeks.
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There is a Fry's in Fishers, In., just on the NE edge of the city. 9820 Kincaid Drive.
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Well I finally placed an order. I'm so new to this stuff that I was kinda leery about using AC4L in case for some reason I got a defective unit, i really wouldn't be able to troubleshoot it. I was going to get the AVR-1713 for $449 from Amazon but wanted to see if I could find a deal on the AVR-1913 since you guys informed me it can be used for a powered second zone while in 5.1 mode, thus saving me from adding an second amp. Well, I found the AVR-1913 on B&H's site for $488 and free shipping so I pulled the trigger. You guys will be seeing a lot more of me. Can't wait to get my system up and running. Thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions.
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Great! See you in the AVR-XX13 Owner's thread linked in my sig. While waiting for it's arrival, review posts #3-6 in that thread.

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