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post #1 of 47 Old 08-30-2012, 10:51 PM - Thread Starter
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I currently have a Yamaha z7 and have been very happy with it. However as we all I get I have acquired the upgrade bug. I want 9.1 so I am going to decide between those. Had a demon 4310 for a week and returned it cause I hated its interface. Never owned a pioneer elite but have heard wonderful things about their ICE amps. Demon I've heard great things about audessey xt32 and have seen the 4520 as highly anticipated. And the 3020 is ol reliable i know whwt im getting from owning in the past. The 3020 is lacking audessey and Denon's version for matrixing 9.1 but Yamaha has done prescene for yeeeeears. So lost :-/ all input is appreciated

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25 views and no input?

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I think you should supply a few more details on what speakers you have, what kind of system or features you're looking for, things like that & there's a better chance people can help smile.gif

Just throwing out some models you've considered w/o anything else to go by makes it hard to respond. And everyone will come back with their own personal favorites anyway wink.gif Like me, I'm a Pioneer Elite owner, have been for many years, and liked their class A/B amps, their Ice amps and the new class D design smile.gif

And I don't know how to respond to what you posted confused.gif
It's like you threw all the options in the air & looking for someone to sort out what you want. No one can do that. And not many are going to take the time to go over every model, feature by feature with you. Are you at the starting point or do you have some idea of what you're trying to achieve?

For example, do you like Yamaha's ypao or not? if you want help, you have to give people something...likes, dislikes in your Yammie, what you want to change or improve?

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Klipsch synergy series will be upgrading to Dec tech 8080 series foe 7.1 ATM 9.1 for the future. I wouldn't say I like or dislike ypao I just don't know anything else before this I had an onkyo 806 with regular audessey but have heard great things

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Steve - ss9001 - has a great thread going on the Pioneer SC67/68 series with lots of great info.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1422205/official-pioneer-sc-68-67-thread
No yet owns the Denon AVR-4520ci so no actual usage info. I am sure it is a quality piece of gear,
What little info I found on the newer Yamahas leaves me with the impression that the amplifier sections are no where near meeting their claimed power outputs.
I am just like you and have been researching a receiver replacement. Ruled out the new Onkyos as they have eliminated so many back panel connections that I want. Quite sure I am going with the Pioneer SC-68 as I love my current older Elite receiver and own an Antimode Cinema to do the subwoofer room correction. I am surely tempted by the new Denon though.
There just is no clear cut answer for you as they are all good receivers.
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The Elite logo is beautiful to be honest...and like I said class D has interested me for s long time. Mcacc vs audessey vs Ypao...why doesn't ypao have an "official" thread on these forums like the other two
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Yamaha 3020 is probably the smoothest transition for you. Or a 3010 if you want to save a few bucks. Or I would recommend getting an onkyo 3009/5009 now while you can or 3010/5010 if you don't mind paying the high msrp as of now and getting active cooling since they both run hot but sound very nice. Denon 4311 or a 4520 if you can be patient would be another great option and rumor is msrp out of the gate is $2500 and that seems to be within budget. Pioneer and Yamaha will have limitations on room correction but supposedly do what they do very well.

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Really considering the SC67 pio...from what I can figure out the 68 has better DAC's for music via USB?

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yes it does - asynchronous transfer up to 192khz sampling & up to 32 bit. kind of a unique feature in receivers.

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Does it benefit me for just watching Blu rays and HD TV?

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Does it benefit me for just watching Blu rays and HD TV?
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no
it's for PC's & media servers with USB connection & no video, just audio sent directly to the DAC.

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Gentlemen,

I was hoping that I would be able to get some quick assistance on pro's and con's for what receiver to get between the Yamaha 3020 or the Pioneer Elite 67. I have tried and search and study as much as possible. I have looked up both receivers on there manufacture website and have printed up 20+ pages on both and tried a side by side comparison. I did like the Denon but trying to find the very best system I can get at the outstanding price. If you have any advice what one is better money spent please give me your two cents. These are the price I can find on line. If you know of a better place please let me know.

Yamaha 3020 -- $1700
Pioneer Elite SC67 -- $1300

What is the better receiver or am I splitting hairs. Is the Yamaha a better deal for what I'm getting over the Pioneer. Any help would be nice.


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Where are you getting those prices?!?

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I'm also debating between the SC-68 and RX-A3020. So far I haven't found any missing features that would be a deal breaker so making a choice is difficult.
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Yamaha has great DSP sound.. I had the original dsp processor (RIP) A-3090.. the best... I also have Pioneer , but in the DJ equipment.. their sound in exceptional clear.. your best bet is to go to a local shop and test out both side by side... I'm in the same situation.. I will go toward the Yamaha because of the Ypao.. all ways has good luck with it's calculations.. Plus you have to love the deep rich sound of Yamaha.. Test drive both in your local shop..cool.gif
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Yamaha has great DSP sound.. I had the original dsp processor (RIP) A-3090.. the best... I also have Pioneer , but in the DJ equipment.. their sound in exceptional clear.. your best bet is to go to a local shop and test out both side by side... I'm in the same situation.. I will go toward the Yamaha because of the Ypao.. all ways has good luck with it's calculations.. Plus you have to love the deep rich sound of Yamaha.. Test drive both in your local shop..cool.gif

I have a DSP-A1 in storage. Great sounding but the surround channels were deficient in power especially with 4 ohm surround speakers. Old Yamaha's had great DSP modes. Too bad it has no HDMI. I currently have a 4520 on the way to me. I can hardly wait. I have an Onkyo PR-SC5508 which seems to be failing. I wouldn't buy a '08 series Onkyo but the 5510 might not have this problem. Unlike the poster above I prefer Audyssey XT32 as my RC software.
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can some one give a hands on opinion on the sound quality of these which one you herd was preferred the best as far as warm or brite best all around sound quality for tv/movie/music

im running Q series KEF Q 900/Q600c front /center at the moment and leaning towards the SC-68 just looking for top/the best for quality sound out of these Yamaha 3020, Demon 4520, Onkyo 5010, or Pioneer SC-68...
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ZZZZZZZZ any one?
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Yamaha 3020, Denon 4520, Onkyo 5010, or Pioneer SC-68 any way i am a dealer for all these brands and models and


i went with the pioneer SC68 with the Kef Q 900 front ,600 center , 800ds side ,and atm using MB quatz for rears 7.1 on a 120 screen with a Sony VPL 95 and oppo 103 love it !
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I'm in the same boat trying to decide which receiver to get. I've always had great success with Yamaha receivers & a friend has a 3020 & loves it. I was looking at the 2020 too as it didn't seem to be much different from the 3020 but cost less. The YPAO has always been excellent to me. I've not heard the Pioneer's so I can't say how they are in comparison.

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Looking around at some of these the Pioneer SC-65 seems to be a nice deal since I'm only using it for movies. Found some for under $1000 brand new with free shipping. smile.gif

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The pioneer 68 i bought sounds great for sound quality, sound separation with the KEf speakers... but then so do the others.
I went with pioneer for the reliability there units@ the elite lvl are well built.
As a 26 yr A/V business owner i seen too many of the other name brands having problems and failing on my clients so life span , sound quality, features, i went with the 68. and aren't questioning myself if i should of went with 1 of the others. Today anyway lol.
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Looking around at some of these the Pioneer SC-65 seems to be a nice deal since I'm only using it for movies. Found some for under $1000 brand new with free shipping. smile.gif

suggest you make sure there a authorized dealer before you buy to have a warranty
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suggest you make sure there a authorized dealer before you buy to have a warranty

That I will do, is Amazon an authorized dealer?

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no there not check who amazon is selling for....... amazon usually is where sellers sell ..... like ebay amazon is good about returns if you are getting it thru amazon prime, be careful cause bottom line there are alot of sellers out there and when its so cheap it can be an indication that there not a dealer. Dealers have to follow certain guide lines for selling manufactures products.

Like Denon for example i am a dealer for them they give me a set price to sell there product if they see me selling for less they will pull my dealers licence. so beware of the really great price check and make sure there a dealer so you have a warranty on your product you buy from them.
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So which is a better choice? The Yamaha 3020 or the Pioneer 65/68?

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I went with an SC-68. One of the factors is that you don't get the high drop-off in power output when you look at the specs for more than 2 channels driven. The drop-off on the Pioneers is lower than other receivers. I use large rear speakers as well as fronts (they are the same) and one of the things that bothered me about most receivers is that the power really drops as you drive more channels with some down to a third of the rated power with 5 or 7 channels driven.

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I went with an SC-68 also
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So why would someone buy a SC-68 over a SC-67 or even SC-65? The power & specs are almost identical. Can someone really hear the difference? I'm not going to bi-amp any speakers as my fronts have internal amps that drive the dual 8" subs in each tower. I will be running a 9.1 channel set-up though. I will also be only using it for my theater room & not running any other zones at all. What do you experts think fits my needs the best?

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I bought a 68 because I wanted the option of having the multichannel analog inputs and not just digital. The 68 is the only SC line AVR with this available. The other feature exclusive to the 68 is the USB DAC that can be used with external sources but this is not a feature I currently need but it could be important to some.

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