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post #1 of 10 Old 09-01-2012, 05:55 PM - Thread Starter
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the only main difference i'm concerend with is hte multieq and multieq xt that is making me choose between them..

what's the differentce between them? basically what makes the xt better for practicability purposes?

i suspect it may have to do with a messed up room or something so xt would do betteR? i dunno..how can i tell if i woudl benefit great with xt than the regular one?

btw, i'm a home end-user so i'm not a sound technician or audio expert on these things..

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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XT offers better EQ capability and generally the difference is only $50 between the two so is worth the extra cost.

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umm well J&R sells 1612 refurbed for $199.99 w/ 3-month warranty

A4L sells 1712 refurbed for $260.52 w/ 1 year wrranty

that's $60 difference. is it worht the extra cost?why would i use the eQ capbility? what's that?

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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It is better trust us. If you don't have a subwoofer skip the 1712. If you dont have a sub but plan on getting one, get the 1712. The reason we are telling you this, especially for a lower budget, is to get the Max potential for the money spent, to avoid upgrade bug sooner than later and the better your speaker system the more you'll notice , or depending on how you look at it, won't notice the difference in how your speakers and subs interact with each other. The xt will help your sub disappear in your soundstage to simplify things if I was trying to sell it to you.

butter and jelly please.
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The 1712 has 6 HDMI while the 1612 only has 4.

1712 has more power and Audyssey MultEQ XT. It's worth the $60 difference.

Refurb Denon receivers should all have 1 year warranty if you buy from authorized dealer.

AC4Less sell the 1612 for $197 and the 1712 for $237.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1712/DENON-AVR-1712-7.1-A/V-Surround-Receiver/1.html

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It is better trust us. If you don't have a subwoofer skip the 1712. If you dont have a sub but plan on getting one, get the 1712. The reason we are telling you this, especially for a lower budget, is to get the Max potential for the money spent, to avoid upgrade bug sooner than later and the better your speaker system the more you'll notice , or depending on how you look at it, won't notice the difference in how your speakers and subs interact with each other. The xt will help your sub disappear in your soundstage to simplify things if I was trying to sell it to you.
butter and jelly please.

You're thinking of Audyssey 2EQ on the lower level Onkyo AVRs which cannot EQ the sub but is not featured on any Denon AVR. MultEQ (1612) and MultEQ XT (1712) both use the same number of control points for the subwoofer.

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From AC4L:

Stepping up from the 1612 to the 1712 adds:

Audyssey MultEQ XT instead of "regular" MultEQ
7 channels x 90 watts
The ability to "assign" the two extra amps
6 HDMI inputs (up from 4 on the 1312/1612)
2 Component Video inputs with 1 output
Dedicated "2CH DIRECT/STEREO" menu for configuring 2-channel audio differently than multichannel audio
Zone 2 functionality (no pre-outs, must be powered via the two "assignable" amps)
Room-to-room IR jack for hard-wiring a remote control (e.g. from another room or to hide gear in a closet)
NO USB port


IMHO for $60 extra the 1712 is a better choice. Its a 7.1 vs the 1612 is 5.1 and offers a few more options & HDMI's.
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You're thinking of Audyssey 2EQ on the lower level Onkyo AVRs which cannot EQ the sub but is not featured on any Denon AVR. MultEQ (1612) and MultEQ XT (1712) both use the same number of control points for the subwoofer.
so it doesn't matter whether i ahve a sub or not?

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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I've had a refurb 1712 for about three weeks. It replaced a pioneer I had. The difference in sound is night and day! Still trying to figure a few things out but I love mine.
I considered the 1612 but went for the 1712 for the Audyssey MultEQ XT set-up.
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Feel free to post any setup/troubleshooting questions on your 1712 in the Denon AVR-XX12 Owner's thread linked in my sig. Also review posts #3-6 in that thread for helpful information.

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