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I just turned half of my finished basement into a bedroom for my son. The room is 11' x 8'. I bought him a 40" LCD and got him the Polk RM6750 speakers. We hooked the speakers up to my old Yamaha HTR-5740 receiver and it sounds amazing. The receiver doesn't have any HDMI hookups so he wants to buy a new receiver that has HDMI. The inputs he needs would be at least 3 HDMI, 2 component, and 2 composite. I would prefer a receiver that will pass every hookup through the HDMI so we only have one wire from the receiver to the TV. If you guys think refurbs are okay, then I will entertain those models. Is there a receiver with the options we are looking for that can be had for $200-$250? How is this receiver?

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That one passes video but doesn't convert your component or composite video to HDMI.

Here is one that is down near your price range but I can't vouch for it.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_158STDH720/Sony-STR-DH720.html?tp=179

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The inputs he needs would be at least 3 HDMI, 2 component, and 2 composite. I would prefer a receiver that will pass every hookup through the HDMI so we only have one wire from the receiver to the TV.

if you don't mind refurbs I suggest the Denon AVR 890. 5 HDMI inputs, 2 component video inputs, analog to HDMI video conversion. Anchor Bay 1080p video scaler, Audyssey MultEQ room calibration with setup mic. Comes with 1 year mfrs warranty.



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What are your feelings about a refurb?
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I can't speak to the refurb issue (never had one) but I would note that some older models (like that Denon--which is otherwise great and much better than the Sony) pass HDMI 1.3a (not 1.4), which means that they're not guaranteed to work with 3D Blu-rays. Just something to consider in case your TV is 3D and your son likes that sort of thing.

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Zero interest in 3D.
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Also note that if purchasing the Denon 890 refurb afrogt suggests, your credit card provider may add an additional year to the warranty for a full 2 years (Amex will do this for sure).

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I wonder if I should buy the Denon for me, and give my son my Pioneer Elite VSX-01? Would the Denon be an upgrade for me?
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Asked and answered in your other thread .....

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1429001/denon-avr-890-vs-pioneer-elite-vsx-01txh/0_100#post_22395254

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I know. I was asking the other guys for their opinion too.
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I wonder if I should buy the Denon for me, and give my son my Pioneer Elite VSX-01? Would the Denon be an upgrade for me?

Buy the Denon, test it out with your home system. Keep whichever one you like best for yourself and give the other one to your son. smile.gif

Your Pioneer has the added feature of a USB port for iPod and 7.1 preouts for external amp if you ever need it. Otherwise the feature sets are pretty similar.


I don't think the Denon is an upgrade, more of a lateral move. The biggest difference like JD said above is which room calibration system you like best, Audyssey MultEQ or MCACC.

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As long as it's not a downgrade, I will probably keep the Denon for myself just because I love getting new equipment. Have any of you guys had experience with both the Audyssey MultEQ or MCACC? I have only owned Elite's, so I have never had experience with Audyssey MultEQ.
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i have two Denon receivers, one with MultEQ and the other with MultEQ XT.

I have helped two friends calibrate their Pioneer receivers with MCACC.

I like Audyssey better because of the 6 to 8 listening postions you can use during calibration. MCACC only uses one. But from what I've read MCACC is more tweakable if you like messing with the 9 band EQ settings

I think both are good, they're just different.

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I have a Marantz 7001 for sale on EBAY that is a great receiver and I think fits your criteria.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120984432841?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1586.l2649
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i have two Denon receivers, one with MultEQ and the other with MultEQ XT.

I have helped two friends calibrate their Pioneer receivers with MCACC.

I like Audyssey better because of the 6 to 8 listening postions you can use during calibration. MCACC only uses one. But from what I've read MCACC is more tweakable if you like messing with the 9 band EQ settings

I think both are good, they're just different.

Did you use a boom mic stand when you calibrated your Denon's?
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nope, we didn't use a boom stand for the Pioneers either.

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Did you just sit the mic in the listening positions? I read through the Audyssey 101 thread and they really recommend using the stand to get the most accurate calibration.
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Either a mic boom stand or camera tripod is highly recommended (and suggested in the Owner's manual as well) for the most accurate results.

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Either a mic boom stand or camera tripod is highly recommended (and suggested in the Owner's manual as well) for the most accurate results.

JD, what are the benefits to using the boom stand, over just sitting it on top of, say my recliner ?
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It's not so much the "benefit" as it is rather the "detriment" of not using either a mic boom stand or tripod as the results from simply placing the mic on some pillows or boxes or on the recliner is generally when someone reports they don't like what Audyssey has done. frown.gif

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It's not so much the "benefit" as it is rather the "detriment" of not using either a mic boom stand or tripod as the results from simply placing the mic on some pillows or boxes or on the recliner is generally when someone reports they don't like what Audyssey has done. frown.gif

I see that many people feel a boom stand works much better than a tripod. Do you agree with that? I'm assuming my best bet to purchase a boom stand is to get the one recommended in the Audyssey 101 thread?
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no, a boom stand isn't "much better" than a tripod. It does confer some advantages, but the key is to get the mic away from reflective surfaces so it can properly "hear" the acoustics of the room. That's why sititng it on a pillow or a coffee table is so bad. Put it this way - the gap between sitting the mic on the couch and using a tripod is huge.... the incremental gap between the tripod and the boom stand is pretty tiny. That tiny extra bit is worth it for obsessive tweakers like we have on this forum, but for the typical user not so much.

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Yes, the boom mic stand recommended in the 101 guide would be a good purchase and generally provides the best results as there is basically nothing under the mic to get in the way of the signals passing to the mic. Note it's important to also get a mic adapter (also noted in that guide), not just the boom mic stand.

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Thank you so much for all the useful info. I ordered the 890 today and I don't have a tripod or boom stand. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being best, where would you rank the boom stand and the tripod as far as getting accurate results. I found a boom stand and the adapter at my local Best Buy for $40 for the pair. Obviously, I can get a tripod for much less.
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You may or may not be able to tell the difference between using a mic boom stand and a tripod, although the mic boom stand + adapter from Amazon will cost roughly $35 so close enough to what the one at Best Buy costs. You will still get excellent results from the tripod, so if you can get it for significantly less, then just get the tripod.

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You may or may not be able to tell the difference between using a mic boom stand and a tripod, although the mic boom stand + adapter from Amazon will cost roughly $35 so close enough to what the one at Best Buy costs. You will still get excellent results from the tripod, so if you can get it for significantly less, then just get the tripod.

How about one of these?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Floor-Standing-Tripod-Monopod-for-Nikon-Camera-Camcorder-40-with-carrying-bag-/170837955220?pt=US_Tripods&hash=item27c6bc5294
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That would work as long as you confirm the tripod screw is a standard size so it fits the Audyssey mic as it implies it's only for Nikon cameras which may use a non-standard screw. Also it must be able to adjust to seated ear height.

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Nikons are standard. They're all standard.

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I have a question about using a tripod. My main listening area is my recliner. Would I sit the tripod on the recliner at ear level, or should I put the tripod directly behind the recliner and extend it to ear level?
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You would want the mic at least a few inches above the back of the recliner and then the remaining mic positions within a 2'-3' radius around that same postion and about the same height.

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