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post #6301 of 8748 Old 12-06-2013, 10:54 AM
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I have also posted this in the Denon DBT 3313 thread

I have the Denon AVR-4520 and the DBT 3313
I have now tried with three 3313 players with the same result every time: There is sound but no video, only blue screen
Sometimes I can get sound and video simultaneously, but the video disappears again when I change the source or want to watch another disc
The dealer has never seen this problem before
DBT 3313 sends audio/video to the AVR 4520, and the AVR 4520 sends video to my projector (JVC X35)
Yesterday I got a Yamaha receiver which works fine with the DBT 3313
Something weird happens in the communication between the Denon receiver and player, but what?
You are my last hope before I sell either player or receiver
Please help!
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I'd suspect flakey HDMI EDID handshaking in the TV...

The TV worked with my 4311 before that died and recently with my stand-in Onkyo. It is a add on card for the panny so maybe there is a easy way to update. Thanks for the tip!

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Sounds like you have an older Panny pro (9UK or older?) with the TY-FB8HM board right? I believe this board was only HDMI 1.1 unlike the newer HDMI 1.3 spec TY-FB10HM board which only works on 10UK and newer models. I have a 12UK with the newer board (FB10HM) and it works fine with my Denon X4000.

I suspect it's a conflict with that older HDMI board, unfortunately. If you don't want to upgrade the TV quite yet, you might want to investige some HDMI EDID detective solutions like this: http://www.hdfury.com/shop/otherhdfuryhardware/dr-hdmi/

These devices can "trick" the devices into working properly by sniffing out the problem with the HDMI handshake and faking the right EDID to get everybody to play nice.

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Thanks Batpig. After some searching here on AVS, I found that there is no way to update the firmware of the hdmi card for my display. Panasonic has abandoned support of the product which is not that surprising given its age. It was a 6k set in its day, but so goes the war when you adopt early. I'm looking at flipping the approach and buying one of the last plasmas before they go extinct while I wait for others to drive the oled conversion.

I'm buying the Dr. HDMI though which should allow my to use this as a secondary display in my theater when we have watching parties for big games. Thanks for the great suggestion. I had heard about hdmi handshake issues, but you don't really learn until you face the problem on your own.

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Sound and Vision magazine is currently reviewing the 4520!

Indecision may or may not be my problem.
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Hey guys. I just received my 4520 in the mail today. I spent a little bit of time dialing it in tonight. I noticed that the 4520 runs pretty hot. A lot hotter than I am use to. I am only running the heights and wides out of it and the rest of the channels are running from my external amps. I was thinking about laying some 120mm fans on top to help pull the hot air out of the avr. Is that a good idea or is the natural convection good enough? I have read somewhere that the cooling is not so great with these avr's, and some of the 4520's stooped working do to failure from heat. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

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Hey guys. I just received my 4520 in the mail today. I spent a little bit of time dialing it in tonight. I noticed that the 4520 runs pretty hot. A lot hotter than I am use to. I am only running the heights and wides out of it and the rest of the channels are running from my external amps. I was thinking about laying some 120mm fans on top to help pull the hot air out of the avr. Is that a good idea or is the natural convection good enough? I have read somewhere that the cooling is not so great with these avr's, and some of the 4520's stooped working do to failure from heat. What are your thoughts? Thanks.

By the way....I am very impressed with the sound out of this avr! I will spend more time this weekend dialing it in, but so far so good!

Well, I have been listening to some pretty hard-driving music for over an hour. I took an infra-red thermometer and measured the hottest part of the cover, and I am getting around 130 degrees F. I don't think that is particularly hot, but I think it all depends on where the 4520 is placed. I have an open rack, with free air flow from the front, back, and sides. If you have your AVR in any type of enclosed space, then it would be careful of heat build-up. Others have used fans placed on top of the case to pull cool air through the chassis. Perhaps others will answer with some fan model numbers.
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I was thinking about laying some 120mm fans on top to help pull the hot air out of the avr.

I use a 5V Coolerguy USB flat fan. It is powered off the rear USB port of the AVR. Other folks are using 12V fans with AC adapters.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/5280#post_23594977

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I thought mine ran hotter than my 3311 so I got a thermometer/fan combo where the fan turns on at a programable temp. Funny thing is when I first bought the 4520 it ran between 114 to as high as 128, but gradually over time those temps have dropped. It now usually runs between 98 and 105. I don't know if that's just a quirk with my unit or they're designed to do that.

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Sound and Vision magazine is currently reviewing the 4520!

Where's the link? I can't see it on their website..
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I use a 5V Coolerguy USB flat fan. It is powered off the rear USB port of the AVR. Other folks are using 12V fans with AC adapters.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/5280#post_23594977

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430049/the-official-denon-avr-4520ci-thread/5280#post_23592510

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I guess this is the same model as the AVC-A1HDA in Europe right?
Will this Receiver have any problem is driving 4 oms speakers? I intend to connect it to RBH Reference Series Speakers.
These speakers are too much for the Receiver, but anyway....
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The manual says 4ohm to16ohm

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I guess this is the same model as the AVC-A1HDA in Europe right?
Will this Receiver have any problem is driving 4 oms speakers? I intend to connect it to RBH Reference Series Speakers.
These speakers are too much for the Receiver, but anyway....

They are nice speakers, but what do you mean they are too much for this AVR?

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The AVC is not the same model as the 4520 at all.

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I have HSU bookshelf speakers, center and VTF-15H and I'm considering the 4520ci for my dedication home theater. Does anyone have a similar setup? If so, how do you like it? I searched through the thread and couldn't find anyone with this combination. PM or reply. Thanks
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The AVC is not the same model as the 4520 at all.

The 4520 is a better unit?

On Denon website the specs for the AVC-A1HDA say 6 ohms and 8 ohms, doesn't mention 4 ohms.
But even today's Denon flagship is not as good as this unit.
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The AVC-A1HD is the equivalent of the USA 5308CI, which although possibly having better components, unless it has the $1000 USD 3D/XT32 upgrade would not have as good of audio quality if Audyssey is used as it only uses Audyssey MultEQ XT.

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The AVC-A1HD is the equivalent of the USA 5308CI, which although possibly having better components, unless it has the $1000 USD 3D/XT32 upgrade would not have as good of audio quality if Audyssey is used as it only uses Audyssey MultEQ XT.

The unit had the 3D upgrade. with the XT32. Isn't it better than the 4520? At least looks better finished, and it should perform very close to the Denon AVP/POA.
My doubt is if it can drive 4 omhs speakers and at how high volume? Well it's not a Pioneer SC-09TX that gives 200watts per channel, it's weaker, but still a good unit.
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Yes, it is a much higher end unit than the 4520. The 5308CI (the real equivalent for the AVC) retailed for more than double the price of the 4520CI.

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As long as you're not driving the speakers to reference level volume there shouldn't be a problem with the AVC-A1HD. Although there is likely an Owner's thread for this model you can post in at the European sister website ..... avforums.com.

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Yes, it is a much higher end unit than the 4520. The 5308CI (the real equivalent for the AVC) retailed for more than double the price of the 4520CI.

That's what i tought also. Tank you for confirm that to me.

Would you prefer this AVC-A1HDA with the lateast updates or a Denon AVP-A1HD (First Generation, not the HDA even) + POA?
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As long as you're not driving the speakers to reference level volume there shouldn't be a problem with the AVC-A1HD. Although there is likely an Owner's thread for this model you can post in at the European sister website ..... avforums.com.

I had a Pioneer SC-09TX and i didn't had any problems pushing Klipsch Reference RF-7II and all the other Klipsch from the set to reference levels.
I was stupid to sell this unit, but i had my idea on a Denon. There is a store who still has a couple of new units of the AVC-A1HDA with the lateast updates. It's not the Pioneer in performance but i guess it ill be close.
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Hi all, I'm back after about a 3 year hiatus from 'upgrade-itus'. Batpig, it's awesome that you're still so involved in helping this community, it's actually a factor in my choosing this unit. I'm coming from a 3310CI, which has never had the firmware upgraded because it was around the time of all the bricked units while trying to upgrade, and I didn't have the stomach for it, lol.

I'm about to pull the trigger on this receiver, and i have a few questions...

First of all, here's my setup:

Monitor - Panasonic AE4000 Projector

Speakers - Front - Focal Chorus 800 L/R, Focal Chorus CC 800 Centre
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Subs - 2 Velodyne EQ Max 12 in with SMS-1 Digital Subwoofer Management System

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So here are my questions:

1. I use dual subs, but have the SMS-1 in place. Currently I use the single sub out on the 3310, but I'm a little unsure how I would go about it with the 4520? Back pic of the SMS-1 below.

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2. I have 6 listening positions (home theatre chairs, 3 front 3 on a riser in back). With 8 positions to measure, what's the best approach?

3. How much difference in the audio quality between the 3310 and 4520? I've seen some less than flattering reviews especially against the comparable Pioneer boxes, but I couldn't stomach the Pioneer room correction, I love my Audyssey :-)

4. Batpig, I've read all your stuff on this box (that I can find), I'm wondering about your experience in daily use though? Do you find there's enough adjustment available to suit your need to tinker and tweak? Any 'buyer beware' things you've noticed? I get that item 4 is very much individual experience and setup, just curious.

I have a dedicated theatre room that gets used daily for TV and several times weekly for movies, so this unit for me will be a workhorse. The 3310 will be relegated to the Bonus Room upstairs for my wife, as there is only 1 HDMI run through the wall for the upstairs TV.

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CHROMECAST.

Has anyone had luck in using Chromcast with the HDMI port (AUX-Front)? Before I take the back of my rack off, etc. I was wondering if anyone has successfully used Chromecast from Google with 4520. I tried it with the front HDMI, but I couldn't get anything going. I supposed i could go the route of sticking it into the TV and using ARC, but I would prefer to stick it into the AVR directly.

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AFAIK, the Chromecast only works by connecting it to an HDTV. I have never heard of it working the way you are trying to connect it. I could be wrong.
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CHROMECAST.

Has anyone had luck in using Chromcast with the HDMI port (AUX-Front)? Before I take the back of my rack off, etc. I was wondering if anyone has successfully used Chromecast from Google with 4520. I tried it with the front HDMI, but I couldn't get anything going. I supposed i could go the route of sticking it into the TV and using ARC, but I would prefer to stick it into the AVR directly.

Thanks

I've been using the Chromecast plugged into one of the rear HDMI ports for a couple of months now. Never had a problem.

With the release of all the apps today, things are looking up.

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Where's the link? I can't see it on their website..
They are in the process of reviewing it. I emailed them about if they were going to do a review on it and they emailed me back. Said initial findings were that it sounds great and that XT32 performed better on it than other XT32 receivers. They had not done any bench tests yet. Can't wait for the review!
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So here are my questions:

1. I use dual subs, but have the SMS-1 in place. Currently I use the single sub out on the 3310, but I'm a little unsure how I would go about it with the 4520? Back pic of the SMS-1 below.

2. I have 6 listening positions (home theatre chairs, 3 front 3 on a riser in back). With 8 positions to measure, what's the best approach?

3. How much difference in the audio quality between the 3310 and 4520? I've seen some less than flattering reviews especially against the comparable Pioneer boxes, but I couldn't stomach the Pioneer room correction, I love my Audyssey :-)

Mike

1. With Audyssey Sub EQ HT and XT32 there is no reason to use the SMS-1.
2. General consensus is to only focus on where you personally sit (ie. main listening position) and then take the remaining 7 mic positions within a 2'-3' radius around that #1 mic position.
3. The 3310 features the same version Audyssey MultEQ found only on the lower level Denon models so there should be a very noticeable improvement for you.

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I went to use my Home Theater yesterday. I turned on my 4520 like normal and when I went to adjust the level of my subs, the onscreen display didn't come up laid over the blu ray that was playing on the screen. The whole screen went black and then the onscreen display showed. Also when adjusting the volume, the scale at the bottom of the screen didn't show. Not sure how that on screen feature of the receiver got turned off... Can someone help me with the instructions on how to turn it back on?

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