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That is pretty darn neat, Jerry. My current problem (for Atmos rear heights) is how I would get them from the baseboard to the ceiling, invisibly?  I could probably fish them up the drywall...

 

A trick I use is to conceal wires behind wall treatments.  I you look closely, you can just see the cable to my left height speaker coming out from behind the bass trap in the corner.

 

I've done that too, but it always seems like cheating and I feel bad about myself afterwards ;)

 

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I think the stuff is fantastically over-priced to be honest and it's substantially wider than 1/2" pvc. And after they're both painted the color of the wall, I think they both look fine--circle vs a rectangle I guess.

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Maybe we are not talking about the same stuff, James.  What I use is readily available at any Home Depot or Lowes, and is certainly not very expensive.  Search for "CordMate".  The wall side is flat, and it has adhesive, so mounting is a snap.

 

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Yeah that stuff's better-priced than the cordmate which is about $3 a foot:
http://m.lowes.com/pd_109218-170-C50_0__?productId=3130109

1/2" pvc is about 20 cents per. Not the end of the world, but for a handful of speakers and 100+ feet there's savings to be had...again, especially so as I think they're all but a dead-heat aesthetically and just a tiny bit of paint or s-glue locks the pvc in instantly.

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I never understand why people are so afraid of visible wires. If I had to choose between drilling joists and pulling cable on the visible side, my choice would easily be the latter. It's not a 1" snake you need to run to those speakers exactly. biggrin.gif

Because I'd have wires running along at least three walls to between four and six speakers -- in a dedicated theater room it'd look pretty damned ghetto, especially considering that my existing seven speakers are already rigged with in-wall wiring. Plus exposed wiring really doesn't let itself well to in-ceiling speakers; that'd be downright strange.

In my case to drill through the joists as required all it'll take is a really long drill bit. Once the holes are drilled it'll be pretty danged easy to snake the speaker wires to where they need to go.

I use cable raceways in my second 5.1-only setup, but the raceways only need to run along the baseboards so they're easier to conceal.
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So all of a sudden I've lost all sound output, I can go in and do the test tone and hear it through all the speakers. Any ideas? The reset is looking like an option, but thinking I've done something as it was working perfectly the day before. I checked mute etc

The speaker symbols are missing and underneath the numerical volume display there is just the word "out"
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European prices generally translate from pound sterling direct to USA dollars (mainly due to swingeing rates of taxation here in Europe). 2800 Euros is about £2250, so I'd expect the US price to be roughly in the area of $2250-2500.

 

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That's my guess as well.  Of course, it's mostly conjecture at this point, but I think we can anticipate the initial U.S. MSRP of the X4100 to be around $1350 to $1500, the X5200 between $1750 and $2000, and the X7200 around $2500.  Depending on the actual feature set and price points of the X5200/X7200, I would consider a sale-priced NIB 4520 w/warranty a competitive alternative to the newer models despite its age.

 

The B&H Photo Video Summer Catalog is indicating an initial MSRP for the X4100 at $1399 and the X5200 at $1999; no listing yet for the X7200.

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Maybe I missed it, but did Audyssey come out with a new version as well?

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Nope. Some of the ads are saying XT32 PRO meaning the Audyssey Pro Kit can be used with that model.

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A trick I use is to conceal wires behind wall treatments.  I you look closely, you can just see the cable to my left height speaker coming out from behind the bass trap in the corner.

Of course, if you are good with a fish tape...


Nice, looks like a Haiku fan in bamboo?
BigAss Fan Company is charging a premium for this fan now and claims it's made in USA, when it's still made in Malaysia..
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Nice, looks like a Haiku fan in bamboo?
BigAss Fan Company is charging a premium for this fan now and claims it's made in USA, when it's still made in Malaysia..

Yes, that is correct. It's really a nice fan, and an essential thing here in the hot Texas climate.
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Yes, that is correct. It's really a nice fan, and an essential thing here in the hot Texas climate.
+ a good hvac unit!

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Hi All

Just got a 4520, and after leaving it hooked up to the net and trying to download firmware, it kept saying firmware up to date, however the installed version is 3525-8853-5410 which doesn't seem to match with the current one available.

Unit is Australasian, 230V, serial 2111501594. Also going to the Eu site gives a total stuff up with some sort of message saying DVD player serial not found???? eh????
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Hi All

Just got a 4520, and after leaving it hooked up to the net and trying to download firmware, it kept saying firmware up to date, however the installed version is 3525-8853-5410 which doesn't seem to match with the current one available.

Unit is Australasian, 230V, serial 2111501594. Also going to the Eu site gives a total stuff up with some sort of message saying DVD player serial not found???? eh????

Mate the firmware for each region may differ.

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Hi All

Just got a 4520, and after leaving it hooked up to the net and trying to download firmware, it kept saying firmware up to date, however the installed version is 3525-8853-5410 which doesn't seem to match with the current one available.

Unit is Australasian, 230V, serial 2111501594. Also going to the Eu site gives a total stuff up with some sort of message saying DVD player serial not found???? eh????

As Pete noted, other regions may have different version numbers as there may be different firmware updates. The version numbers listed in post #4 of this thread are for the USA units. Also, the Europe site is for Europe models only so you would not be able to access that site unless having purchased a European mfr'd unit. If your unit is indicating it's "up to date" .... well then .... it's up to date. smile.gif

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Of all the new D&M models, the one which looks more promising as a replacement for the 4520 is actually the M's SR 7009.
11 channels, the extra decoding, a toroidal transformer even, and nice speaker plugs.
And it's SRP is 1600 Euros, as compared to the 2800 for the 7200...
But the reported <14kg weight even with more speaker channels? That's even less than the rather lean 4520 (about 16kg).
I wonder how they managed that? Less cooling fins?
An older SR 12 weights about 28kg, and many of the other Denon's are also much heavier..
Even a CD player can weigh more than this

And it's made in China instead of Japan...
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Of all the new D&M models, the one which looks more promising as a replacement for the 4520 is actually the M's SR 7009.
11 channels, the extra decoding, a toroidal transformer even, and nice speaker plugs.
And it's SRP is 1600 Euros, as compared to the 2800 for the 7200...
But the reported <14kg weight even with more speaker channels? That's even less than the rather lean 4520 (about 16kg).
I wonder how they managed that? Less cooling fins?
An older SR 12 weights about 28kg, and many of the other Denon's are also much heavier..
Even a CD player can weigh more than this

And it's made in China instead of Japan...
Pete, where are you getting that info? From what I've seen the 7009 only has 9 amplified channels and only 125 Wpc, the latter of which is already leaner than the 4520. It seems like this matches up better as an X4000 replacement, which makes sense since the 7008 was on par with the X4000.
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Of all the new D&M models, the one which looks more promising as a replacement for the 4520 is actually the M's SR 7009.
11 channels, the extra decoding, a toroidal transformer even, and nice speaker plugs.
And it's SRP is 1600 Euros, as compared to the 2800 for the 7200...
But the reported <14kg weight even with more speaker channels? That's even less than the rather lean 4520 (about 16kg).
I wonder how they managed that? Less cooling fins?
An older SR 12 weights about 28kg, and many of the other Denon's are also much heavier..
Even a CD player can weigh more than this

And it's made in China instead of Japan...
Pete, where are you getting that info? From what I've seen the 7009 only has 9 amplified channels and only 125 Wpc, the latter of which is already leaner than the 4520. It seems like this matches up better as an X4000 replacement, which makes sense since the 7008 was on par with the X4000.
It's mainly off non-English sites (French / German), but here's one off AVS:
Marantz SR7009

They all indicate 11 channels of amplification.
Which is pretty decent... I honestly don't mind 9 channels too, which makes more sense, but if they come with a 4/6 ohm current limiter, then it's less desirable than my current 4520, which is quite a AV amp..
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Just ordered the 4520ci. This will be my first Denon. I will be using it as pre/amp only. It will be replacing an Onkyo 886 pre/pro, a SVS As-eq1 and a DVDO Duo. Less clutter will be a nice change. Now to reprogram my Roomie Remote.
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Is there any noticeable video degradation going through the 4520 vs going from source directly to TV?

There's a lot of info in this thread. I was sold by page 6. It's taken me 2 days to get to page 20. I should be caught up by the end of the year! My choices were down to the Onkyo and the Denon as I wanted Audessey. The LFE option that will help cut the bass my wife feels in her office will allow me to use it when she is not down there watching with me. Without out this option, I'd be hearing the TV speakers.
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Just ordered the 4520ci. This will be my first Denon. I will be using it as pre/amp only. It will be replacing an Onkyo 886 pre/pro, a SVS As-eq1 and a DVDO Duo. Less clutter will be a nice change. Now to reprogram my Roomie Remote.
I got mine followed by an Oppo BD103D with the Spears and Munsell video calibration disc. Very nice upgrades! Both units just reek of quality and XT32 is amazing! The darbee chip is exceptional as well! I went from a Denon 3313ci and a Sherbourn PA7350 Monster 7 channel amp to these units. Best upgrade! Of course I have 98db sensitive speakers too crossed at 80 or 100hz so driving them is easy
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Of all the new D&M models, the one which looks more promising as a replacement for the 4520 is actually the M's SR 7009.
11 channels, the extra decoding, a toroidal transformer even, and nice speaker plugs.
And it's SRP is 1600 Euros, as compared to the 2800 for the 7200...
But the reported <14kg weight even with more speaker channels? That's even less than the rather lean 4520 (about 16kg).
I wonder how they managed that? Less cooling fins?
An older SR 12 weights about 28kg, and many of the other Denon's are also much heavier..
Even a CD player can weigh more than this

And it's made in China instead of Japan...
Currently only the flagship models are mfr'd in Japan (ie. 4520CI and AV8801), however in addition to the replacement for the 4520CI (ie. X7200W), the new X5200W (that will be closer to the SR7009 than the X4100W) is also mfr'd in Japan.

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Wouldn't the 7009 rival the new Denon 7200 if it has 11 channels, a toroidal transformer and nice 'audiophile' bits?
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It's not about the number of channels, rather the quality of the components (DACs, flagship have 32bit), number of processors (flagship have 3), and design spec as well as being mfr'd in Japan which is why the SR7008 is the sister model to the X4000 as neither is a flagship model.

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Zone 2 Video Not Playing

I have TV's hooked up to the 4520 via component out connectors for zone 2 and zone 3. I have a media player hooked up using both hdmi and component cables to the 4520's component inputs. I went through the setup to enable the appropriate component-in connector for the source playback device. I power on zone 2 and select the input source associated with the connector used by the media player. I turn on the media player, TV and choose component-in on the TV. I still get no-signal at the TV. When I plug the media player directly into a TV it works. Any suggestions?
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The HDMI input will take priority, so you may have to assign the component video and analog audio input to another source name.

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I see a lot of posts that people are setting their $3000 towers to small and not utilizing their full potential. With that said, would a movie only HT be just fine with a nice set of bookshelfs sat on stands vs splurging on a nice set of towers?

With a 4k-5k budget, what would you recommend for
L/C/R - Rear Surrounds (all 5 matching would be best right?)
Surround - Wides - Heights (a step down from the above should be ok right?)
LFEx2

I have a 15x13x8 area in the basement with a carpeted concrete floor. I intend to get some ButtKickers as well but they are not included in the above budget.

I have some DefTec 7006, surrounds, and center to match but I am less than impressed (snagged them on Craigslist for $1k)
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^ mikeltee,

Maybe if you post your questions in the speaker thread topic - I believe would get more useful feedback. This thread is dedicated specifically to the Denon AVR-4520ci model.

If you're asking what speakers owners of the 4520ci are using, that would be more on topic.
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Maybe if you post your questions in the speaker thread topic - I believe would get more useful feedback. This thread is dedicated specifically to the Denon AVR-4520ci model.

If you're asking what speakers owners of the 4520ci are using, that would be more on topic.
Well that was my point but thanks for clarifying. What speakers are you guys using with your 4520ci?
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Well that was my point but thanks for clarifying. What speakers are you guys using with your 4520ci?
2x Klipsch RF-7II / Klipsch RC-64II / 4x Klipsch RS-62II and I'll be adding 2x Klipsch RB-81II for front heights in about a month. Once the AVR-X7200W is released in December, I'll add two or four in-ceiling speakers as well.
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