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Well, this is getting very discouraging. Picked my receiver up from R&B Electronics this morning. Soon as I got home tried setting it up. Still no sound. Called R&B but they claimed it was working fine after they replaced board. Have lost all confidence in their repair service.

At this point I am willing to pay to have another electronics repair place to check out the receiver and see if it is working properly before sending it back east to Denon. Does anyone know a reliable electronics repair place near San Ramon, CA?
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I put this in the other thread by accident. However I am having a problem where my 4520 keeps displaying PLII Cinema as before It was in DTS MA. I have tried a few movies now that I know displayed DTS and now they don't? I have tried to change it in my oppo as well in the Denon movie sound option. J
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Okay ... for those of you that have been waiting, it's that time again (remember back in April?) ... Denon has temporarily dropped the MSRP on the 4520CI for the next two weeks. Call for pricing.

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Okay ... for those of you that have been waiting, it's that time again (remember back in April?) ... Denon has temporarily dropped the MSRP on the 4520CI for the next two weeks. Call for pricing.
Thanks for that announcement, JD. Actually, I noticed that Amazon (not Amazon Marketplace) has been listing the 4520 at Denon's 2K discounted MSRP for the past week or so.

Is it possible at this juncture--and in the absence of official published specs--to delineate the differences between the 4520 and the forthcoming X5200 (not to mention the new flagship X7200)? Other than the addition of Dolby Atmos processing (which so far appears underwhelming in its initial HT implementation), wireless and Bluetooth connectivity (not of interest to me), and the possible potential for a firmware upgrade to allow DTS-UHD, what would I be passing up if I pulled the trigger now on the 4520? And what (other than minimally lower wattage and the absence of the (yawn) 10/100Mb network connectors) would I be giving up in the X5200?

The 4520 really has everything I'm looking for in an upgrade from my 3311 (9 channels expandable to 11, MultEQ XT32, DTS Neo:X, and custom amp configuration), but I am intrigued by the potential of Atmos and, even more, DTS-UHD in future iterations. I've been on the fence for the past six months on whether to pull the trigger now on the 4520 and then plan to upgrade in a couple of years when object-oriented audio codecs for the HT are more mature, or just hold off in the assumption that the X5200 or X7200, when they finally hit the market, will fill the bill for me for years to come. Any help you can offer along these lines would be greatly appreciated.
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The X5200W will only use 24bit DACs while the X7200W, being the successor to the 4520CI will use 32bit DACs. Beyond that, there have been no official USA details released on either new model.

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I put this in the other thread by accident. However I am having a problem where my 4520 keeps displaying PLII Cinema as before It was in DTS MA. I have tried a few movies now that I know displayed DTS and now they don't? I have tried to change it in my oppo as well in the Denon movie sound option. J
I had that exact same thing when starting Lone Survivor last week. Was on PL, then I powered off then on and it was DTS...

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The X5200W will only use 24bit DACs while the X7200W, being the successor to the 4520CI will use 32bit DACs.
Interesting; so apparently audiovideohd.fr got that spec wrong ("Circuit d'amplification D.D.S.C-HD32 avec AL32 Processing Plus"). But now that you've pointed it out, I see that AVCesar.com confirms the lesser DACs in the X5200.

Practically speaking, to what degree will the lesser technology impact on audio fidelity? (I've read Denon's glossary page on AL32, but it only made my head swim.)

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Beyond that, there have been no official USA details released on either new model.
Rats! I was hoping you could enlighten us just a bit. Patience is not my strong suit.
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What is it displaying for signal input when you press the INFO button on the remote?
I put in the same movie as last night again and now says DTS again. Weird. For 3 days I went through this entire machine as well as my oppo and out of no where it is back in DTS. Every Movie I would put in would be in PLII Cinema. I would go down to surround options and try there and nothing. However on the player I would push the audio button on the remote and it said DTS 5.1?
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Thanks for that announcement, JD. Actually, I noticed that Amazon (not Amazon Marketplace) has been listing the 4520 at Denon's 2K discounted MSRP for the past week or so.
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The X5200W will only use 24bit DACs while the X7200W, being the successor to the 4520CI will use 32bit DACs. Beyond that, there have been no official USA details released on either new model.
Does the X7200W also have AL32 processing like the 4520 does? The AL processing was one of the features I liked with my previous Denons but they went backwards with the features of many of the models. My 3808 has lower AL processing than my 3806 had. But they were both 24 bit processing. So with the 32bit AL32 processing on the 4520, that is the main reason I am looking at getting one.

I also see that BestBuy also has the 4520 for the same price as Amazon since they price match them now. If only I had a 12% off coupon.

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I also see that BestBuy also has the 4520 for the same price as Amazon since they price match them now. If only I had a 12% off coupon.
Best Buy has been price matching Amazon for a long time

In fact if you want them to price match ...Amazon seems to be about the only one that they will match readily without a hassle
Did you see it in the store?

They had it for much less a few months ago and was about the same price at the "price mistake" that Amazon had about the same time

btw...the coupons that BB has are never good on "sale" items....its regularly priced items only

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I've usually been able to use my coupons on sale items. Unfortunately they don't send them out like they used to. I think it just depends on the store. There is one store near me that works every time with an item on sale. While another local store can be hit or miss. Especially in the Magnolia Store.

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Does the X7200W also have AL32 processing like the 4520 does? The AL processing was one of the features I liked with my previous Denons but they went backwards with the features of many of the models. My 3808 has lower AL processing than my 3806 had. But they were both 24 bit processing. So with the 32bit AL32 processing on the 4520, that is the main reason I am looking at getting one.

I also see that BestBuy also has the 4520 for the same price as Amazon since they price match them now. If only I had a 12% off coupon.
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It's interesting that we often dispute that better amps sound better, or that difference cables make a difference and yet contend that we have hear a difference between 24 and 32 bit processing?
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I put in the same movie as last night again and now says DTS again. Weird. For 3 days I went through this entire machine as well as my oppo and out of no where it is back in DTS. Every Movie I would put in would be in PLII Cinema. I would go down to surround options and try there and nothing. However on the player I would push the audio button on the remote and it said DTS 5.1?
When I watch movies it usually only gives me the DTS option after the trailers are done and the movie is actually playing. Same with my XBOX, when im messing around on the menu or just starting the game it won't switch to DTS until i'm actually playing the game. I think sometimes it takes time for the receiver to switch once the actual DTS format is being detected from the source that's been formatted. It's kind of like when I put in a 3d bluray, it'll switch back and forth from 3d to 2d through the menus and trailers until the main movie is playing, then it finally does the last switch over to 3d format.

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Question about the secondary output.. if I connect a TV to the Primary and a Projector the the secondary am I sacrificing anything on the 2nd output? I remember reading something that you cannot do full surround sound but I cannot recall if that was for Zone 2 or for the secondary output.

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When I watch movies it usually only gives me the DTS option after the trailers are done and the movie is actually playing. Same with my XBOX, when im messing around on the menu or just starting the game it won't switch to DTS until i'm actually playing the game. I think sometimes it takes time for the receiver to switch once the actual DTS format is being detected from the source that's been formatted. It's kind of like when I put in a 3d bluray, it'll switch back and forth from 3d to 2d through the menus and trailers until the main movie is playing, then it finally does the last switch over to 3d format.
I believe it is because the pre movie clips of anything are usually just stereo but most likely anyone will have had PL on so it defaults to that. then when the movie starts it switches over as it was actually engineered in usually DTS.

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Question about the secondary output.. if I connect a TV to the Primary and a Projector the the secondary am I sacrificing anything on the 2nd output? I remember reading something that you cannot do full surround sound but I cannot recall if that was for Zone 2 or for the secondary output.

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Not if using the main zone (#1 and #2 ) HDMI outputs, no, otherwise, if using the Zone 4 HDMI output, it would also downmix the main zone audio to 2CH if passing the same source to the Zone 4 TV speakers.

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The X5200W will only use 24bit DACs while the X7200W, being the successor to the 4520CI will use 32bit DACs. Beyond that, there have been no official USA details released on either new model.
The UK suggested price appears to be slightly higher when looking at 4520 vs x7200w initial pricing. Not that any of this will be that interesting for a 4520CI owner.

BTW back a bit when you guys were discussing Atmos did anyone notice this tidbit:

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Question about the secondary output.. if I connect a TV to the Primary and a Projector the the secondary am I sacrificing anything on the 2nd output? I remember reading something that you cannot do full surround sound but I cannot recall if that was for Zone 2 or for the secondary output.

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That would probably be for zone2 output, or if maybe a third tv is directly connected to the zone 4 hdmi output.

I use this very same type of setup myself and I can switch easily between the two with just an activity switch on my harmony :-D

Apart from the the projectors startup time and an HDMI handshake (the denon is the fastest synching receiver I have ever had) its a completely seamless process.

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Is there any chance that Denon could upgrade the 4520 firmware to support Dolby Atmos?


I just got the 4520 last year, so upgrading isn't high on my list of priorities.


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Unfortunately, no. My understanding is that they had to add two more DSP chips to the design in order to handle the additional audio processing requirements.

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I just got the 4520 last year, so upgrading isn't high on my list of priorities.


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How long is the special pricing in effect? I'm still working on getting a used one but if that falls through a new one might be possible if the price it right. Although yesterday I had some water damage from the upstairs condo so that might throw a wrench into my plans to replace my 3808 with a 4520.

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How long is the special pricing in effect? I'm still working on getting a used one but if that falls through a new one might be possible if the price it right. Although yesterday I had some water damage from the upstairs condo so that might throw a wrench into my plans to replace my 3808 with a 4520.

The special pricing is in effect until the 4520's are gone. The replacement ( the X7200W ) is supposed to be available at the end of this year.
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Is there any chance that Denon could upgrade the 4520 firmware to support Dolby Atmos?


I just got the 4520 last year, so upgrading isn't high on my list of priorities.


Thanks,
Mike
I have heard, via my local installer/Denon dealer, that Denon had/is considered/considering offering a paid upgrade to Atmos for 4520 owners that would involve both a hardware and firmware upgrade. This installer told me that although the 4520 isn't a strictly-speaking modular component, there is enough modularity in its design to allow for a limited hardware upgrade.

Now, while I certainly hope that this is true, I'm taking it with a huge lump of salt as no other information I've seen indicates that this is in the works. Still, one can dream...
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