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post #9001 of 10594 Old 08-12-2014, 03:12 PM
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Hell, if my post seem confusing to you guys.. Thats cause im usually confused myself....

I dont think when I have the neo:x output im getting any help from the audyssey. Im guessing that doing an 8 point calibtation helped setup my room a abit. And I've tried every sound setting using the green button. Sound modes. Even though, depends on the bluray movie, neo:x seems the best. I feel im missing something though. With all the dsx modes. Just seems that I need to curve the mids down a bit more, and my only option, (that I can find) is to select the neo:x output. While the klipsch center is nice, just maybe a bit tinty, so eq is a must. I wish I knew more about it. Seems im missing something.

I do always leave the front display to show what the audio input is. Its nice to know by just a quick glance if im getting 5.1, 2.0, or even on occation, 7.1. Oh ya, expendables 2 lit all those lights up. That was cool....

So when someone says I have no idea what im trying to say. Try being on my end... half the time I have no idea myself....

Oh, and thanks for the hex codes batpig. Nice to have a few buttons for subs and center on the harmony remote....
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What really sucks, is when I go to the magnolia store, I know more than them.

If it weren't for you guys, wow, I think many of us would be lost........

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I'm afraid I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway.....I want to output from a SONOS with both an optical and analog input to the Denon so as to occasionally use analog from the same source for Zone output (Zones don't output digital). I have both optical and analog assigned in INPUT ASSIGN and it doesn't work - only the opt is playing on MAIN but Zone 2 is silent. I could of sworn this worked in previous Denon's.....but it seems it is an either or and not both.
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If Zone 2 is powered ON and the Sonos is selected for Zone 2 and it is outputting audio over both optical and analog simultaneously, then you should hear audio in Zone 2.

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If Zone 2 is powered ON and the Sonos is selected for Zone 2 and it is outputting audio over both optical and analog simultaneously, then you should hear audio in Zone 2.
YES---that is what I am attempting - the purpose is to use Demon's DACs in my main listening room for the SONOS and analog in Zone 2.........but it seems if the OPT is used, the analog is not available. I will also try using the MEDIA SERVER output which is also Zone 2. I have a Plan B - which is to output the SONOS optical into my Sony HAP S1 and then play the Sony (analog out) - but that involves a lot of complicated remote action. The Denon doesn't have an OPT digital out anymore - otherwise that would be Plan C!!! Plan D is to use analog only.........and remove the OPT cable.

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On the 4520CI change the INPUT MODE for the SONOS input to "Analog" and if you don't hear audio in the main zone, you'll know Sonus is not passing audio over both outputs simultaneously.

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Cooling question...

Im seeing a few options. Would using a single 120 mm fan be as good as 2 80mm fans. Intake and output of each. Just seems the 120mm should move plenty of air, but should also be quieter...
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Cooling question...

Im seeing a few options. Would using a single 120 mm fan be as good as 2 80mm fans. Intake and output of each. Just seems the 120mm should move plenty of air, but should also be quieter...
I use for 140mm fans in the back of my rack to pull air through. Anything will be fine. I'd go for a larger fan. Antec actually makes a component cooler that looks pretty cool, but it is expensive. I wish they'd update it with larger fans... Get a 220mm fan, they are like $10 on newegg.
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I thinking I need side discharge type of cooling. Other wize id be throwing heat directly under an into my tv.... im kinda stuck keeping all my componants in the cabinet under the tv for now.
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I use for 140mm fans in the back of my rack to pull air through. Anything will be fine. I'd go for a larger fan. Antec actually makes a component cooler that looks pretty cool, but it is expensive. I wish they'd update it with larger fans... Get a 220mm fan, they are like $10 on newegg.
+1. A larger fan can move the same amount of air at a lower rotational speed, and therefore is normally quieter.
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Cool. Nice to know im on the right track for a change. I found a nice little system with 12 volt trigger, thermastat, 120mm in and out. And I know I can always replace thhe fans if needed to be quieter

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I use a 120mm fan with mine(at least I think it is). Since the 4520 doesn't have any outlets like my 3808 did, I am using it with my APC UPS that the 4520 is plugged into. The 4520 is in the master outlet. So when it turns on, the fan will come on with it. But I also have a UPS dedicated to the receiver.

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I'm assuming that I will be able to use the 4520's two 12v triggers this way (please consider to confirm or correct me)...

Trigger Out 1: 'ON' when Main Zone is On (trigger will turn on the external amplifier for LCR)
Trigger Out 2: 'ON' when HDMI Monitor2 is On (trigger will lower the projection screen).

HDMI Monitor1 is a plasma TV, which will be the casual viewing mode of choice.

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Is there any way to get the iHeart stations streamed?
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the only thing I can think of right off hand is direct input from either phone or tablet
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Is anyone using their Denon 4520 in 11.2 channel mode with the front bi-amped?
I don't see this configuration anyone. This is a major limitation with the receiver.
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Is anyone using their Denon 4520 in 11.2 channel mode with the front bi-amped?
I don't see this configuration anyone. This is a major limitation with the receiver.
Well, it is not a limitation of the AVR. If you have an external power amp with four available connections, you could use a Y-cable to send the same signal to two of the amp connections, which would all you to bi-amp the front speakers.

HST, why would you ever want to do this? It has been discussed many times that bi-amping provides no benefit.
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Well, it is not a limitation of the AVR. If you have an external power amp with four available connections, you could use a Y-cable to send the same signal to two of the amp connections, which would all you to bi-amp the front speakers.

HST, why would you ever want to do this? It has been discussed many times that bi-amping provides no benefit.
I do notice some difference. I now have my fronts connected to an external amp. With the Denon amps used for biamping, the channel level to reach 75b was +1.0, now with the external amps I have to raise my channel level to +4.0 to get 75db.
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I do notice some difference. I now have my fronts connected to an external amp. With the Denon amps used for biamping, the channel level to reach 75b was +1.0, now with the external amps I have to raise my channel level to +4.0 to get 75db.
That just means that the external and internal amps have a different gain structure. It won't make any difference to the sound quality.
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Is anyone using their Denon 4520 in 11.2 channel mode with the front bi-amped?
I don't see this configuration anyone. This is a major limitation with the receiver.
Sounds more like a major limitation of basic arithmetic. How is a receiver with 9 internal amps supposed to play 11 speakers with two of them biamped? That adds up to.... wait for it..... 13 amp channels!

Nothing at all is preventing you from simply using an RCA splitter and applying four channels of external amplification to a single pair of speakers.

In other words.... Your complaint is nonsensical.

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Sounds more like a major limitation of basic arithmetic. How is a receiver with 9 internal amps supposed to play 11 speakers with two of them biamped? That adds up to.... wait for it..... 13 amp channels!

Nothing at all is preventing you from simply using an RCA splitter and applying four channels of external amplification to a single pair of speakers.

In other words.... Your complaint is nonsensical.
It is not about using the internal amps to power all 11 speakers. If the receiver had the option of using Front height amps to biamp the front and using pre-amp outputs/internal amps to power the rest of the speakers, it would be what I wanted.
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Is there any way to get the iHeart stations streamed?
Check page 59 in the manual. There it talks about internet radio stations, while not directly iHeart radio, may give you the ability to stream the stations you are looking for.
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It is not about using the internal amps to power all 11 speakers. If the receiver had the option of using Front height amps to biamp the front and using pre-amp outputs/internal amps to power the rest of the speakers, it would be what I wanted.
Check page 140 in the manual. Here it talks about custom amp assign mode where you should be able to select the amp you want to use in the 4520 to bi-amp the front and use external amps to power the remaining speakers so you can get an 11.2 setup.
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But that is still pointless. If you have enough amps between internal and external to power 13 channels (11 + 2 biamped) all you need is an RCA splitter and you can "biamp" to your hearts content with the external amps. I don't understand the advantage of biamping with internal amps, it's just splitting the signal inside the box vs outside.

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But that is still pointless. If you have enough amps between internal and external to power 13 channels (11 + 2 biamped) all you need is an RCA splitter and you can "biamp" to your hearts content with the external amps. I don't understand the advantage of biamping with internal amps, it's just splitting the signal inside the box vs outside.
Batpig - I agree with you. I was just trying to address Malcomp6's desire to use the amps in the 4520 to biamp his fronts and external amps for the rest in an 11.2 setup, which was what I thought he was looking to do. I could have been wrong though...
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I still haven't gotten around to getting Axiom Bookshelf speakers for my front heights. I had wanted to test the extra two channels before my 30 days was up but I guess it's too late. I'm just wondering how much of a difference the front heights will actually make? And once I add the front heights does that mean I need to use PLIIz for everything instead of PLIIx? Or what are the processing options when using a 9.1 setup with the front heights?

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I have my new 4520 up and running now in an 11.2 setup with two external Emotiva amps.
I have done the EQ a number of times but the wides always produce an out of phase connection every time. Sometimes the result just shows for the right wide, other times both wides. Strange thing was the first day I ran the setup the wides never showed in the result as out of phase.


The wiring is correct, Ive checked it a number of times...


This never happened on my 11.2 Integra setup. I have read about this is something that often happens and just skip the result which I am doing.
Just seems odd the Denon reacts differently to the Integra with the same speakers.


Is this a common thing with Denon?
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Is this a common thing with Denon?
No.
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It was discovered over in the Audyssey thread a ways back that Onkyo/Integra dropped the polarity check portion of auto setup a few years ago. Apparently they decided the number of "false positives" was too confusing to end users so they just canned it and figured people would be smart enough to wire the speakers right.

Short story: if you have confirmed wiring is correct just hit "skip" and move on.
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