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I've been through a lot of receivers over the last few years (887/888/3310/4311/4520). I'm kinda glad the next Flagship won't be massively better for the same price.
The price is actually somewhat higher, not $2499 for the x7200.

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Looking at the IR codes manual (linked on page 1 of this thread I think) there are discrete codes for:
HDMI Audio Out Select
HDMI Audio Out TV
HDMI Audio Out AVR

I don't know for sure - but I expect these would be for respectively:
Toggle Passthrough
Passthrough On
Passthrough Off

If someone (batpig?) knows for sure what those codes do let us know. If my guess is right might work for user222 provided he can teach his remote some codes
Unfortunately that won't do the trick -- those settings apply to the "HDMI Audio" setting which controls behavior when the receiver is powered on. This settings toggles between passing the HDMI audio through (unprocessed) to the TV vs. having the HDMI audio stripped and processed and only video passed to the display. It doesn't have anything to do with Standby Passthrough.

However, like I said above, it's a total non-issue. The correct solution is to simply not worry about it and leave Standby Passthrough turned on all the time because the incremental power consumption is negligible.

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I just wanted to let everyone know I have my 4520 in a rack and have cooling fans that I want triggered to turn on/off with the 4520. I got a triggered outlet device that was supposed to be controlled by the 4520's 3.5mm triggers but I could never get it to work. I tried off and on to get it working for over a year. I always just ended up pressing the switch on the device to manually turn on/off the fans.

I never figured out why it didn't work, but every time I brought it up, everyone just said to get a smart switch. I finally bought one, this one. It is FANTASTIC!

I connected the receiver to the 'Master' outlet and the fans to the 'On/Off with Master' outlet and viola! My fans now turn on/off with my system (the 4520 pulls enough juice to trigger the outlets). CyberPower is based in Minnesota, about 30 minutes from my house actually. Quite possibly the best $16.52 I've spent!
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Well the 4520 already has multiple sub EQ, so no difference with the new models.

Atmos is obviously the biggest change. The other meaningful changes are ancillary features like wifi, Bluetooth, digital audio to zones 2/3. But in most other respects the 4520 actually outclasses the 4100/5200 models, as its true replacement (physical size, amp quality, 32 bit processing architecture) will be the X7200W which will probably retail for around double what you can probably get the 4520 for.

So I guess I endorse your decision if you like "flagship" quality and don't give a hoot about Atmos the a steeply discounted 4520 seems like a sweet buy.
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In relation to the 4520’s Airplay feature, I was aware at the time I bought the AVR, that it could only stream audio (I understand the 2013 models can now stream video?).

I recall reading something not too long ago that the restriction was software related and as such, there were discussions that this (Airplay video & audio streaming) maybe something that could be added via a fw update.

Just wondered whether anyone else had heard anything on whether Airplay video streaming may be added retrospectively?

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If you want AirPlay video streaming, get an AppleTV. It is less than $100 and works great.
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In relation to the 4520’s Airplay feature, I was aware at the time I bought the AVR, that it could only stream audio (I understand the 2013 models can now stream video?).

I recall reading something not too long ago that the restriction was software related and as such, there were discussions that this (Airplay video & audio streaming) maybe something that could be added via a fw update.

Just wondered whether anyone else had heard anything on whether Airplay video streaming may be added retrospectively?

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Wow,
I've only owned my 4520 for a few months now and I see it is already outdated
I'm really enjoying the upgrade from my previous 4810ci. The 4520 is much more stable
than the 4810 was with it's network card issues. It is hard to discern a big difference in the sound except for the Audyssey upgrade. It seems my subs sound better now.
I have several Emotiva amps because I typically overheat (protection mode) my receivers when using only the internal amps. After adding the amps, I only power the heights and wides with the internal receiver amps and the receiver runs much cooler. Only warm to the touch now.
(Yes, I listen to music/movies much louder than the typical person)

I don't buy as many Blu Rays as I used to. Typically only "Hollywood Blockbuster" Action Flicks in 3D. I purchased a OPPO103D and keep Darbee set at 35% and it seems to make Netflix movies
pretty darn clear..I listen to iTunes through AppleTV and it sounds great in Multi Channel Music mode. Almost as good as my CD collection. In fact, I can hardly tell any difference between the two. With my Movie collection starting to dwindle, and my music sounding better than ever through the 4520, is it worth upgrading to the new receiver when it comes out?
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The 4520 is only outdated if you want Atmos. See a few posts above yours where we were just discussing this.
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If you want AirPlay video streaming, get an AppleTV. It is less than $100 and works great.
Thanks for the suggestion. I had contemplated that, though given it is relatively rare that I have the desire to stream video from the ipad, I had resisted. Perhaps I'll just bite the bullet and go down the Apple TV route.

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Besides the video streaming, there are a ton of other apps, including a great Netflix client, that make the ATV a good investment, especially for the price.

But we are off-topic...
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Besides the video streaming, there are a ton of other apps, including a great Netflix client, that make the ATV a good investment, especially for the price.

But we are off-topic...
Thanks AustinJerry,

(without wanting to further direct the thread off-topic), I currently use the PS3 and PS4 for Netflix, Hulu, BBC etc, plus playing files from the NAS etc. Therefore, I had thought the Apple TV would be rarely used. However, given the integration with the Mac, ipads and iphones, it probably makes sense to just pick one up, given its price point.

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So am I correct in inferring that your ONLY concern is additional power consumption when HDMI Control is left on when not needed? Because in the narrative you described things would function perfectly if you simply left HDMI passthrough on the entire time. The only difference that I can see is that, at certain times, it will be off to reduce power consumption.

If that is the only reason then IMO it's a non-issue. There is very, very little additional power consumed in normal standby vs. the slightly more "alive" standby with HDMI passthrough enabled. The rating (pg 202 of your manual) is 0.1W of consumption in standby mode, and 0.5W of consumption in CEC standby mode. Using network standby (so you can turn it on/off remotely with a smartphone or computer) ups it to 5.1W of standby consumption.

So either way, the additional power consumption of CEC standby is virtually negligible. It's essentially irrational to worry about this when you probably do more damage by forgetting to turn the light off in the kitchen or bathroom for an hour. It's like a drop in the bucket compared to the energy consumption of the rest of your modern lifestyle.

Summary: forgot about complicated macros and just leave the dern passthrough thing on all the time.
Yes you understand it very well batbig! As I understand there is not such a command and under this point of view your suggestion is the most appropriate for me. Thanks a lot!
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Wow,
I've only owned my 4520 for a few months now and I see it is already outdated
I'm really enjoying the upgrade from my previous 4810ci. The 4520 is much more stable
than the 4810 was with it's network card issues. It is hard to discern a big difference in the sound except for the Audyssey upgrade. It seems my subs sound better now.
I have several Emotiva amps because I typically overheat (protection mode) my receivers when using only the internal amps. After adding the amps, I only power the heights and wides with the internal receiver amps and the receiver runs much cooler. Only warm to the touch now.
(Yes, I listen to music/movies much louder than the typical person)

I don't buy as many Blu Rays as I used to. Typically only "Hollywood Blockbuster" Action Flicks in 3D. I purchased a OPPO103D and keep Darbee set at 35% and it seems to make Netflix movies
pretty darn clear..I listen to iTunes through AppleTV and it sounds great in Multi Channel Music mode. Almost as good as my CD collection. In fact, I can hardly tell any difference between the two. With my Movie collection starting to dwindle, and my music sounding better than ever through the 4520, is it worth upgrading to the new receiver when it comes out?
Advice Appreciated...
Blessings,Brian
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Wow!! Would love to see the rest of your set-up.


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Wow,
I've only owned my 4520 for a few months now and I see it is already outdated
I'm really enjoying the upgrade from my previous 4810ci. The 4520 is much more stable
than the 4810 was with it's network card issues. It is hard to discern a big difference in the sound except for the Audyssey upgrade. It seems my subs sound better now.
I have several Emotiva amps because I typically overheat (protection mode) my receivers when using only the internal amps. After adding the amps, I only power the heights and wides with the internal receiver amps and the receiver runs much cooler. Only warm to the touch now.
(Yes, I listen to music/movies much louder than the typical person)

I don't buy as many Blu Rays as I used to. Typically only "Hollywood Blockbuster" Action Flicks in 3D. I purchased a OPPO103D and keep Darbee set at 35% and it seems to make Netflix movies
pretty darn clear..I listen to iTunes through AppleTV and it sounds great in Multi Channel Music mode. Almost as good as my CD collection. In fact, I can hardly tell any difference between the two. With my Movie collection starting to dwindle, and my music sounding better than ever through the 4520, is it worth upgrading to the new receiver when it comes out?
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Brian, welcome to the 4520 club. I'm almost 2 years into ownership and 11.2, I suggest sticking with your new purchase for 2 years, let object sound settle down, then look at upgrade AVR and speakers (ceiling) then. Enjoy your purchase , peace.


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Brian, welcome to the 4520 club. I'm almost 2 years into ownership and 11.2, I suggest sticking with your new purchase for 2 years, let object sound settle down, then look at upgrade AVR and speakers (ceiling) then. Enjoy your purchase , peace.


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yeah that's great advice, I'm hoping to do the same.
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I suggest sticking with your new purchase for 2 years, let object sound settle down, then look at upgrade AVR and speakers (ceiling) then.
Probably the best advice.
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Brian, welcome to the 4520 club. I'm almost 2 years into ownership and 11.2, I suggest sticking with your new purchase for 2 years, let object sound settle down, then look at upgrade AVR and speakers (ceiling) then. Enjoy your purchase , peace.

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I was looking at the X4000 originally but noticed the 4520 had dropped in price.
I don't really have any interest in Atmos and I will just be using the receiver to drive 5 speakers in a 5.1 system.
I have an Oppo 103D that I just purchased and have a fairly good collection of DVD-A and SACD's.
I'm about to upgrade to either a 80" 1080P or 70" 2160P set.
Would there be any reason to wait for the newer receivers other than Atmos?
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Thanks for the sound advice and kind words everyone. I'll try to post more pics in the next day or so showing the rest of my system.
Thanks Again, Brian
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I was looking at the X4000 originally but noticed the 4520 had dropped in price.
I don't really have any interest in Atmos and I will just be using the receiver to drive 5 speakers in a 5.1 system.
I have an Oppo 103D that I just purchased and have a fairly good collection of DVD-A and SACD's.
I'm about to upgrade to either a 80" 1080P or 70" 2160P set.
Would there be any reason to wait for the newer receivers other than Atmos?
You don't have to wait more than a couple of weeks: the 5200 is shipping now, although indications are that initial availability is somewhat limited.

There's also support for pass-through of and upscaling to 2160P at 60 fps. The X4000 and 4520 are limited to 2160P at 30fps. (You'd need to verify that the 2160P TV supports 60fps input signals. Many don't.)

And there's Bluetooth support and direct support of WiFi.

Dolby's new surround-sound package (reusing the name Dolby Surround) apparently expands to more speakers than Dolby Prologic IIz does, but still not to the Front Wides. But so long as you're sticking with 5.1, that doesn't matter so much.

So, to first approximation, if you're sticking with 5.1 and aren't considering adding a couple of overhead speakers, the 4000 and 4520 are very good choices.
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I've only owned my 4520 for a few months now and I see it is already outdated
I'm really enjoying the upgrade from my previous 4810ci. The 4520 is much more stable
than the 4810 was with it's network card issues. It is hard to discern a big difference in the sound except for the Audyssey upgrade. It seems my subs sound better now.
I have several Emotiva amps because I typically overheat (protection mode) my receivers when using only the internal amps. After adding the amps, I only power the heights and wides with the internal receiver amps and the receiver runs much cooler. Only warm to the touch now.
(Yes, I listen to music/movies much louder than the typical person)

I don't buy as many Blu Rays as I used to. Typically only "Hollywood Blockbuster" Action Flicks in 3D. I purchased a OPPO103D and keep Darbee set at 35% and it seems to make Netflix movies
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Advice Appreciated...
Blessings,Brian

I say your good for 4 or 5 years unless you have to have Atmos. I'm very pleased with 11.2 surround with my 4520. The 4520 is only obsolete if you think it is. BTW, I have a Glock 34 and a 17 ! They aren't obsolete either.

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Just picked up my 4520 and it's still sitting in the box. I don't need atmos but my computer is downstairs and the theater is upstairs. Now I'm wondering if I'm going to run into problem without wifi. I'm assuming I can update firmware through usb? What utility is wifi and bluetooth in the receiever? Is there a bluetooth adapter that works with this model if needed? I'm hooking it up with a projector and blu-ray player
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Just picked up my 4520 and it's still sitting in the box. I don't need atmos but my computer is downstairs and the theater is upstairs. Now I'm wondering if I'm going to run into problem without wifi. I'm assuming I can update firmware through usb? What utility is wifi and bluetooth in the receiever? Is there a bluetooth adapter that works with this model if needed? I'm hooking it up with a projector and blu-ray player
If you need a network connection to the 4520, consider a device like this one:

http://www.linksys.com/en-eu/products/bridges/wet610n

For a relatively low cost, this will provide full network connectivity.
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