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I think he was just a little frustrated. The AVS guys make money when we buy from them. 99% of the time they will price match a competitor, but the BB deal was waaay below cost and I'm sure anyone that was on the edge bought one yesterday.

It is important that we support the AVS sales guys. A quick phone call to JD or any of the other AVS guys before buying something elsewhere can't hurt. I picked up a Denon AVR-E400 yesterday, but called Mike at AVS first to see if he could price match. These guys feed their families by supporting the forum, return the favor.
I totally get that! Really, I do! I have referred more people to avs than I care to count. It was just a little out of character (and out of line imo) for jdsmoothie to post the FUD that "people may have warranty issues" because they bought at that price! jdsmoothie is usually a class act!
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Two different EQ programs ... Yamaha uses YPAO while Denon uses Audyssey so no copying from one to the other; however XT32 will likely do a better job anyway. Unless you mean YPAO is turned OFF and just using the manual EQ. You could copy those numbers but XT32 will still do a better job.
SEE! Like this post! Here is a guy who didn't even buy from avs and jd is helping him out! NOw, that's class!
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I totally get that! Really, I do! I have referred more people to avs than I care to count. It was just a little out of character (and out of line imo) for jdsmoothie to post the FUD that "people may have warranty issues" because they bought at that price! jdsmoothie is usually a class act!
Hardly out of line when it was posed as a question, however, I have deleted that part of my post to appease the thread. Note to that I've been helping many brands for 7 years ... only involved with AVScience for 1 year.
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I would note that a retailer can sell a unit they own for whatever price they like -- and antitrust laws provide stiff penalties (including prison) for distributors that try to forcibly prevent competitive market pricing. Denon can terminate their distribution agreements going forward with Amazon and BB -- but they can't demand that either retailer sell for no less than X price.

But anyway -- unfortunatle that the deal is dissolved. I am confident that all warranties would have to be honored. I have looked at the Denon written warranty (when I bought my X4000) -- and as I recall it only requires that the units be bought new and from an authorized dealer. I would note that the warranties do purport to be non-transferable (although I don't know if that is an enforceable provision in all states).
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No, as only the 2014 models have built-in Bluetooth. However, you can add a 3rd party Bluetooth receiver and gain that feature on the 4520CI. Note however, there are DLNA apps you can use to stream audio to the 4520CI as well.

What 3rd party do you recommend for this receiver? what about making it wireless?

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So we are in agreement.
Indeed.

That said ... I do feel for the smaller B&M and online businesses in this field. Internet and big box competition is brutal.

JD -- as a forum member, I do appreciate everything that you and the other AV Science guys bring to the table in terms of knowledge sharing, info and experience. I hope we can do business at some point. Thank you again!

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Regarding this x4000 display info that batpig likes to propagates


Quote:Originally Posted by flyguyjake 

Denon needs to update our 4520's with the new on-screen graphics. That's far superior to the current one and we've paid top dollar for these receivers!


Quote:Originally Posted by mhrischuk 

I agree. No reason they can't upgrade our units, except why should they? That's how they sell the next model.


Just to play the role of Devils advocate:

I generally found no real disadvantage to current AVR screen info during normal usage. I can readily get more info from my source with a push of a button on content being sent to the AVR-4520. I have several remotes!

How much onscreen information do you really need to see momentary on a display from the AVR?

If you know the source, sound type, and adjust volume, do you really need to see input and output active channel details?

What is so useful to see all of that consumes your screen real estate as your watching content?

If Denon was to add some of this info on a GUI update, I hope for sure they allow info view options, so we can adjust volume without seeing the kitchen sink of details if not needed.
Hmmm ... disturbing. So if I am moving from the X4000 to the 4520 -- I will lose this function? Does the 4520 have any sort of "info" button that brings info like the source codec and the output? I do like making sure that I am getting all 7 channel lit up in my theater without having to actually check the front display (as the unit is in a media closet).

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What 3rd party do you recommend for this receiver? what about making it wireless?

thanks
I list a couple of Bluetooth models in my post #3 of the lower model threads ...

The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread


and too connect it wirelessly a few options listed below to include "bridge" routers, PowerLine adapters, and MoCA adapters ....

The **OFFICIAL** Denon AVR-XX12 Model Owner's Thread


Additionally,

Bridge Router (connected to AVR provides wireless connection to the home's wifi router)
Cisco WRT-54G
TRENDnet TEW-640MB
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Linksys WET610N
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Netgear WN2500RP
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What's the consensus on the preferred Bluetooth adapter to get for use with the Denon 4520CI?




It looks like JD recommends something you plug into an analog input? Is there no USB -> Bluetooth adapter support?


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Hmmm ... disturbing. So if I am moving from the X4000 to the 4520 -- I will lose this function? Does the 4520 have any sort of "info" button that brings info like the source codec and the output? I do like making sure that I am getting all 7 channel lit up in my theater without having to actually check the front display (as the unit is in a media closet).
Not entirely. Same INFO button will display source and sound mode; however, each year the GUI has improved by providing additional information as well.

2012 - 4520CI



with additional information available by pressing SETUP - GENERAL - INFORMATION - AUDIO




2013 - X4000 - Signal, Input Signal, Active Speakers added




2014 - X5200W - Audyssey modes added

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Yes it is kind of annoying the several button presses it takes to see the info on the 4520. It would be nice if it popped up with one button press. And showed me channel input and output. As well as sample rate, codec, format, input signal, and the Dialnorm offset.
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Number 3: I got my 4520 about 5 this afternoon.

Now can I see the links or images?

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I think he was just a little frustrated. The AVS guys make money when we buy from them. 99% of the time they will price match a competitor, but the BB deal was waaay below cost and I'm sure anyone that was on the edge bought one yesterday.

It is important that we support the AVS sales guys. A quick phone call to JD or any of the other AVS guys before buying something elsewhere can't hurt. I picked up a Denon AVR-E400 yesterday, but called Mike at AVS first to see if he could price match. These guys feed their families by supporting the forum, return the favor.
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Yeah I do like to support the little guys and I was actually waiting for avs to get the 4100 but I thought about it and I am not going atmos, have a 4k tv but the hdmi 2.0 will be pointless without hdcp 2.2 and the blue,tooth is nice but I will just buy a aftermarket Bluetooth transponder.. This deal was too great to pass up , it was cheaper then I was going to get a 4000 for..
its been my experience that higher end A/V stores dont really try to compete with the big boxes

On price its a losing battle

The last couple cities I have lived in the shops had an about an 80% mix of higher end separates
20% AVR's
They seem to concentrate on the likes of brands such as Krell, Anthem,Classe, McIntosh and the like

These Asian products( both Audio and Video) concentrate on something "new" every year...I assume to try to keep you in the market every season
That's great...but it means a quick planned obsolescence and market price devaluation for the outgoing product
This type of "blow out" deals happen every year with these products.
I typically try to be available for such events..... and have been able to snag these Asian AVR's every year for 28-35% of MSRP. I just sell the last one and it about pays for the new one
High end end audio has no such type of massive market price changes from season to season

Check out the Anthem statement D2V...how long its been around and how much it still costs at your local high end store


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Not entirely. Same INFO button will display source and sound mode; however, each year the GUI has improved by providing additional information as well.

2012 - 4520CI



with additional information available by pressing SETUP - GENERAL - INFORMATION - AUDIO




2013 - X4000 - Signal, Input Signal, Active Speakers added




2014 - X5200W - Audyssey modes added

Hmm -- your images are invalid for me. But I would love to see the differences.

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Yes it is kind of annoying the several button presses it takes to see the info on the 4520. It would be nice if it popped up with one button press. And showed me channel input and output. As well as sample rate, codec, format, input signal, and the Dialnorm offset.
Totally agree.
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Totally agree.

What they need to do for flagship AVRs is have a user define screen so we can see info in 1 or 2 screens that we want to see.
It could easily be developed, you'd have to say go to computer side to configure the data you want displayed, the it would be available on AVR side to display .


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Remote Control In Cable Type

Hello, does anyone know if the "Remote Control In" jack on the back of the 4520 requires the 3.5 mm cable to be stereo or mono? It is not specified in the manual, and I haven't been able to find the answer in my searches. Thank you.
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Not entirely. Same INFO button will display source and sound mode; however, each year the GUI has improved by providing additional information as well.

2012 - 4520CI



with additional information available by pressing SETUP - GENERAL - INFORMATION - AUDIO




2013 - X4000 - Signal, Input Signal, Active Speakers added




2014 - X5200W - Audyssey modes added

I don't see the embedded images either.

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Don't know what you tell you as they are showing up plain as day for me in my original post and your post as well.

You can also see them by simply reviewing the respective Owner's manuals ...

4520CI - p. 154

X4000 - p. 198

X5200W - p. 254

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Don't know what you tell you as they are showing up plain as day for me in my original post and your post as well.

You can also see them by simply reviewing the respective Owner's manuals ...

4520CI - p. 154

X4000 - p. 198

X5200W - p. 254
Thanks JD. Looked it up in the manual. Looks like it will give me the bare minimum of what I need. The main thing is that I always want to be able to check to make sure I am in PLIIx (so that I know that my rear channels are active) when watching a 5.1 source.

To All: Are their other things that the X4000 might do a bit better than the 4520 given the former's newer GUI, software, etc.?

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Bought one of these on Tuesday been messing around with it setting it up. I currently have it hooked up to 4ohm Monitor Audio Silver 8's and a Center, all are rated 4ohm. Should i be using the 4ohm setting on the receiver or should i leave the impedance on 8 ohms or change it to the 4ohm setting.
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Leave it at 8 to provide more power.

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Leave it at 8 to provide more power.
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Leave it at 8 to provide more power.
Explain please. Wouldn't the AVR sense the load and the wattage would be set accordingly? Isn't based on load rather than the setting in the setup?
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Explain please. Wouldn't the AVR sense the load and the wattage would be set accordingly? Isn't based on load rather than the setting in the setup?
You may find this article answers your question: http://www.audioholics.com/audio-amp...ector-switch-1
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Thanks JD. Looked it up in the manual. Looks like it will give me the bare minimum of what I need. The main thing is that I always want to be able to check to make sure I am in PLIIx (so that I know that my rear channels are active) when watching a 5.1 source.

To All: Are their other things that the X4000 might do a bit better than the 4520 given the former's newer GUI, software, etc.?
I don't recall if this was explicitly mentioned:
If you use Zones to send audio to other rooms, the X4000 will forward two channel PCM from HDMI or S/PDIF to the Zone analog outputs. The 4520 requires stereo analog connections from the player devices.

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Explain please. Wouldn't the AVR sense the load and the wattage would be set accordingly? Isn't based on load rather than the setting in the setup?
The AVR engages current limiting in 4 ohm mode so the output power is reduced. Any decent modern AVR should be able to drive a typical 4 ohm load without any problems. The manufacturers have to pass stringent government tests where they stick a sine wave through the unit at full power and leave it there for some time - if you do that then with 4 ohm speakers (which permits double (approx) the output, the unit can overheat to the point of being dangerous. So the manufacturers engage current limiting for when the government boffins do this torture test, and then it will sit there all day happily. As you aren’t shoving a sine wave through the unit and running it at full power for hours, there's no real need to limit the current of the unit, and if you do so, by engaging 4 ohm mode, then you are restricting the output of your unit.
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My 4520 went into shut down mode when driving my 1996 Atlantic technology system 350's, 4 ohm THX speakers.
My old 2000 Onkyo 787 handled them fine, which Onkyo advertised capable.


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is there anyway to use denon link to connect a 4520 and 4000 together and combine all zones?
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Leave it at 8 to provide more power.
What about 6ohm? I have an SVS center channel speaker that is six ohms while my other six speakers are eight ohms. The 4520 instructions specifically stated not to select eight ohm if any of my speakers were below that.
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