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I can't handle dyn eq on. When watching normal HDTV with 5.1, the mids and lows are just boomy. I cut it off all the time.

I think part of it matters with speakers. On my old setup, I enjoyed it OK, but not now. YMMV.
You need to adjust the Reference Level Offset to make DEQ usable with non film sources. Most TV broadcasts are recorded at different levels than films so using DEQ on full blast will cause boomy bass and overwhelming surrounds. Rather than turning it off entirely, adjusting the RLO will help tone it down and make it usable again.

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No thanks, IMO, it aint needed.

And IMO, your statement brings to light stupid decisions by companies (Audyssey/Denon). When I run Audyssey, they enable dyn eq by default, yet it is flawed in it's enabled setting. Real swift!

I watch HDTV (Directv) around -12.0 to -8.0, and it sounds great. No need for any features like Dyn EQ for me. I never sit around and watch at "low" volumes.

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Snowy interference

My (1yr old) 4520 just started randomly displaying a snowy interference. White specks evenly distributed across the entire image. It comes and goes and is sometimes very faint and sometimes very bright. Coincidentally my previous AVR (4308) did this also. The image would cut out frequently with the snowy image remaining. This was the reason I bought the 4520.

Any ideas? Anyone else experiencing this?

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No thanks, IMO, it aint needed.

And IMO, your statement brings to light stupid decisions by companies (Audyssey/Denon). When I run Audyssey, they enable dyn eq by default, yet it is flawed in it's enabled setting. Real swift!

I watch HDTV (Directv) around -12.0 to -8.0, and it sounds great. No need for any features like Dyn EQ for me. I never sit around and watch at "low" volumes.
That is basically effective reference level for the broadcast content. That's why you don't need DEQ (at least at the default setting).

So if you set DEQ to RLO of 10db it would be doing nothing. The advantage would be that if on occasion you happen to listen a a reduced volume, DEQ will start kicking in and maintain the same tonal balance.

If you never lower the volume, well then it doesn't matter. No need for dynamic compensation if your volume is static.
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I just watched a BluRay on my PS3, and my 4520 display 'IN' has only FL & FR illuminated. The PS3 tells me it is outputting the DTS-MA 5.1 output, and I am listening in DTS Neo-X through 9.1 speakers. It doesn't sound like it is matrixed from stereo, but I'm wondering what is going on.

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If the Denon says the input signal is 2ch then that's what it's getting. Time to go check your PS3 audio settings. It's not enough to select the 5.1 soundtrack on the disc if the global output settings are configured for stereo output.

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I just ordered my 4520ci.

Now I need to return the x4000
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I just watched a BluRay on my PS3, and my 4520 display 'IN' has only FL & FR illuminated. The PS3 tells me it is outputting the DTS-MA 5.1 output, and I am listening in DTS Neo-X through 9.1 speakers. It doesn't sound like it is matrixed from stereo, but I'm wondering what is going on.

Is that what it shows when you hit the round "display" button on the PS3 remote? If so, and if you have the older "fat" model, try setting BD audio to LPCM. Ran into that myself. There is a PS3 FAQ here that you might want to check out. I'm assuming you are using HDMI for audio output.

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Thanks for the comments! Sorry - I should have been more descriptive in my original post:
  • PS3 Slimmest (latest generation) outputting audio via HDMI-only (no multi-output via optical, etc, which I know limits the surround output capabilities).
  • 4520CI outputting in Main zone only, 9.1 surround via DTS Neo-X, Front LH/Ctr/RH are line-level output to external amp - Emotiva XPA-3.

Per the feedback, I will read up on how I might be unwittingly down-mixing the audio coming out of the PS3. I will note that the PS3 automatically turns my plasma on via CEC, prior to me turning on the 4520 (HDMI-Through). Perhaps the initial handshake causes the crippling of the audio. I will try turning the 4520 on FIRST next time.

I just set up the system last week, and started watching blurays daily since Sunday. It will be funny/tragic if all of these have been lossy 2Ch stereo artificially expanded to 9 channels. At least it offers the possibility that the performance can get even better from this point!!!
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No thanks, IMO, it aint needed.

And IMO, your statement brings to light stupid decisions by companies (Audyssey/Denon). When I run Audyssey, they enable dyn eq by default, yet it is flawed in it's enabled setting. Real swift!

I watch HDTV (Directv) around -12.0 to -8.0, and it sounds great. No need for any features like Dyn EQ for me. I never sit around and watch at "low" volumes.
Well it is a feature to use if needed.
I do my tv viewing mostly at mv - 20 to -30 so considerably lower.
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I don't disagree, I just don't "need" it. To me, it is the effect of hitting the "loudness" button on a pioneer head unit.

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I don't disagree, I just don't "need" it. To me, it is the effect of hitting the "loudness" button on a pioneer head unit.
That pretty much exactly what it is. The "loudness" button exists for the same reason (boosting bass at lower volumes) but DEQ is just a more sophisticated, modern version. As I noted above, since you are effectively listening at reference level you don't need any compensation.

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Thanks for the comments! Sorry - I should have been more descriptive in my original post:
  • PS3 Slimmest (latest generation) outputting audio via HDMI-only (no multi-output via optical, etc, which I know limits the surround output capabilities).
  • 4520CI outputting in Main zone only, 9.1 surround via DTS Neo-X, Front LH/Ctr/RH are line-level output to external amp - Emotiva XPA-3.

Per the feedback, I will read up on how I might be unwittingly down-mixing the audio coming out of the PS3. I will note that the PS3 automatically turns my plasma on via CEC, prior to me turning on the 4520 (HDMI-Through). Perhaps the initial handshake causes the crippling of the audio. I will try turning the 4520 on FIRST next time.

I just set up the system last week, and started watching blurays daily since Sunday. It will be funny/tragic if all of these have been lossy 2Ch stereo artificially expanded to 9 channels. At least it offers the possibility that the performance can get even better from this point!!!
The initial handshake could very well be the culprit. If the PS3 is establishing the handshake with the TV it could be resetting itself to stereo output.
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I have a question. I am sharing my oppo 103 for 2 channel music or say music CD's. I finally have hooked up a 7 speaker system vs my 5.2 previously and when I am putting in a CD for 2 channel music the rear surrounds are coming on? I cannot seem to get them off. They are not even showing on the front panel of the AVR as even been on. How can I shut them off? I mean is there a way to set up the AVR to share the Bluray player for music CD's ?

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I don't know what you mean by "sharing" but it sounds like you have the wrong amp assignment. Are you by chance using one of the "2ch" amp assign modes?
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I don't know what you mean by "sharing" but it sounds like you have the wrong amp assignment. Are you by chance using one of the "2ch" amp assign modes?
I am not sure. I have to look. I have not had time to really get to it yet. What I mean by sharing was two different settings so I don't have to fiddle with set up each time I switch over to a movie. I am sure you cannot. I have my iPod channel tailored to my liking. I am probably just going to look for a nice dedicated CD player as I a have gotten back into music again. Audyssey is off and I am using Graphic EQ, but I have noticed I cannot get out of Graphic EQ and turn Audy back on? What gives with that.?

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I have a question. I am sharing my oppo 103 for 2 channel music or say music CD's. I finally have hooked up a 7 speaker system vs my 5.2 previously and when I am putting in a CD for 2 channel music the rear surrounds are coming on? I cannot seem to get them off. They are not even showing on the front panel of the AVR as even been on. How can I shut them off? I mean is there a way to set up the AVR to share the Bluray player for music CD's ?
This has been discussed a number of times. If you are using Pro Logic with your two-channel source, the 4520 outputs PLIIx, I.e. The rear surrounds are engaged. There is no easy way to turn off the rear surrounds other than going into the Speaker Configuration menu and de-selecting the rear surround speakers. Not an ideal solution. Older Denon AVR's had a remote control option to toggle rear surrounds, but it is missing on the 4520.
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This has been discussed a number of times. If you are using Pro Logic with your two-channel source, the 4520 outputs PLIIx, I.e. The rear surrounds are engaged. There is no easy way to turn off the rear surrounds other than going into the Speaker Configuration menu and de-selecting the rear surround speakers. Not an ideal solution. Older Denon AVR's had a remote control option to toggle rear surrounds, but it is missing on the 4520.
Nope, I am an idiot. I had my amp assign all screwed up. I don't know what happened. I will paste my post that I put in the JTR thread below.

LOL, I am an idiot. I don't know how I did it but my surrounds were all screwed up. I know I set them up right, but something must have moved on me unknowingly. I had my rears set to fronts, I had thought that the rears were sounding a bit funny with movies. As I said I have always had a 5.2 set up, so I thought they just sounded different. Glad that is over. I also screwed it up again and set them to surrounds and that put the rears into pre out and the sides in preamp. took me a minute in amp assign to realize they have to be set to surround rear, as I had just had them in surround. Talk about a duh? LOL. I usually set it and forget it, I have not fooled around in the 4520 for along time.

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Nope, I am an idiot. I had my amp assign all screwed up. I don't know what happened. I will past my post that I put in the JTR thread below.

LOL, I am an idiot. I don't know how I did it but my surrounds were all screwed up. I know I set them up right, but something must have moved on me unknowingly. I had my rears set to fronts, I had thought that the rears were sounding a bit funny with movies. As I said I have always had a 5.2 set up, so I thought they just sounded different. Glad that is over. I also screwed it up again and set them to surrounds and that put the rears into pre out and the sides in preamp. took me a minute in amp assign to release they have to set the amp for surround rear. Talk about a duh? LOL. I usually set it and forget it, I have not fooled around in the 4520 for along time.
Well, that certainly is clear now.
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Nope, I am an idiot. I had my amp assign all screwed up. I don't know what happened. I will paste my post that I put in the JTR thread below.

LOL, I am an idiot. I don't know how I did it but my surrounds were all screwed up. I know I set them up right, but something must have moved on me unknowingly. I had my rears set to fronts, I had thought that the rears were sounding a bit funny with movies. As I said I have always had a 5.2 set up, so I thought they just sounded different. Glad that is over. I also screwed it up again and set them to surrounds and that put the rears into pre out and the sides in preamp. took me a minute in amp assign to realize they have to be set to surround rear, as I had just had them in surround. Talk about a duh? LOL. I usually set it and forget it, I have not fooled around in the 4520 for along time.
I once spent a week or two with my left front speaker hooked into my right amp output and vice versa...
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Audio delay

Anyone using the audio delay on the 4520 and will it work.I have Directv and a Samsung 8550 tv the lips and speech not in sync.
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Anyone using the audio delay on the 4520 and will it work.I have Directv and a Samsung 8550 tv the lips and speech not in sync.

Try it and let us know if it works for you!

Go to HDMI Setup Menu and turn on "Auto Lip Sync"


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Anyone using the audio delay on the 4520 and will it work.I have Directv and a Samsung 8550 tv the lips and speech not in sync.

Ive used lip sync on with every Denon Ive owned, only time I have run into issues is when the display has some sort of frame interpolation activated.

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Well my 4520 will be delivered tomorrow and ordered last night, that's quick.

I returned the 4000 tonight also.
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Nice. Enjoy.

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I went from an Outlaw 7125 and X4000 to the 4520.

So far watching a good 15 hours of HDTV, and two movies (cranked to reference 0.0), I have been very happy. My speakers are very efficient though. I'm sure separates matter more for power depending on speaker type and specs.

As far as SQ, I think it sounds great. Also runs cool/warm after a 2 hour movie at high volume.


Are you noticing any sound quality differences between the two? I've been contemplating going from x4000 to 4520 just for the nicer DACs and the dialog enhancement feature. I use my x4000 as a preamp. thoughts? oh and i'm only a HT guy, no music on my setup.

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Just upgraded from the 4310ci to the 4520ci, and boy what an adventure it was. First thing I noticed was the weight, they nearly weighed the same, after removing the 4310ic and installing the 4520ci and running the audyssey calibration I was VERY disappointed by what I was hearing. Here is where the adventure began, because I know that this unit should be sound better than my old one. My setup: 7.2 Mirage Speakers with 2 Prestige s10 subs, what the 4520ci MultEQ XT 32 did to my subwoofer levels was laughable, -9 -10?! I knew something was odd when during the setup it asked to level EACH sub at 75db, solution, I used the y adapter and manually leveled both subs to 75db and switched back and forth from the y adapter to the dual outputs until each sub calibrated out to the same level witch ended up being -5/-5. After all of that I was still highly disappointed with the sound, the 4520ci MultEQ XT 32 calibration's midrange response was VERY thin! It was like I was using 7 satellite speakers and the bass was still too low.
Now I am very upset, and started thinking how can I get this receiver to sound like my old one, then I had an epiphany, use the 4310ci as a baseline for the 4520ci. The most important variable in the calibration was the microphones, the old mic (DM-A409) proved to be more sensitive, by about 2db. After recalibrating with the old mic, voilĂ , pristine sound, oh then I adjusted each sub by the +2db difference then added 1 more db for effect (-2db each sub) and I was in heaven! The accuracy is unparalleled, I have to towers on the floor and my center is 5ft off the ground and the L-C-R sweeping effect is seamless, actually all channels are! Be sure to adjust your crossovers to your liking and use LFE+Main if you fronts don't produce enough bass for you.
The dtsHD-MA track on the Dark Knight Rises is EPIC, the Batman police chase scene, EPIC, when Bruce Wayne climbs out of the pit, EPIC, the last 30 seconds of the movie and the end credits, SUPER EPIC SOUND! Yes, MultEQ XT 32 subEQ is worth it, it doesn't kill the subsonic lows like it did in the past and with 2 subs equalized, aw man!
Now on to the pros and cons, CONS: Remote, no (native) dts 5.1 while in 7.1/2 speaker configuration, no auto sound format decoding, example if a source has a SB Flag (EX) you have to manually switch to Dolby EX, no one button speaker level adjustment, microphone, slight electrical buzz, and weight. Lack of over all options, too many to list. Pros: Clean, strong sound, fast menus, subEQ, inCommand, I love using my tablet as a remote, fast audyssey calibration, instaPreview.
Overall I am impressed, although initially I was disappointed, I still feel they should not have over simplified the options, like, the option to disable the audyssey L/R bypass, multichannel in sub level adjustment, no adjustments can be made during pure direct mode, surround back auto decoding, stuff like that.
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Are you noticing any sound quality differences between the two? I've been contemplating going from x4000 to 4520 just for the nicer DACs and the dialog enhancement feature. I use my x4000 as a preamp. thoughts? oh and i'm only a HT guy, no music on my setup.

Can't say anything has stood out. Biggest changes Ive noticed in the last few years was going from Audyssey 2eq to XT32 with sub eq.

I haven't found myself missing the amp/x4000 combo at all. I watched Xmen First Class and Transformers 4 with it cranked, and the speakers sound clean and detailed.

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Just upgraded from the 4310ci to the 4520ci, and boy what an adventure it was. First thing I noticed was the weight, they nearly weighed the same, after removing the 4310ic and installing the 4520ci and running the audyssey calibration I was VERY disappointed by what I was hearing. Here is where the adventure began, because I know that this unit should sound better than my old one. My setup: 7.2 Mirage Speakers with 2 Prestige s10 subs, what the 4520ci MultEQ XT 32 did to my subwoofer levels was laughable, -9 -10?! I knew something was odd when during the setup it asked to level EACH sub at 75db, solution, I used the y adapter and manually leveled both subs to 75db and switched back and forth from the y adapter to the dual outputs until each sub calibrated out to the same level witch ended up being -5/-5. After all of that I was still highly disappointed with the sound, the 4520ci MultEQ XT 32 calibration's midrange response was VERY thin! It was like I was using 7 satellite speakers and the bass was still too low.

Now I am very upset, and started thinking how can I get this receiver to sound like my old one, then I had an epiphany, use the 4310ci as a baseline for the 4520ci. The most important variable in the calibration was the microphones, the old mic (DM-A409) proved to be more sensitive, by about 2db. After recalibrating with the old mic, voilĂ , pristine sound, oh then I adjusted each sub by the +2db difference then added 1 more db for effect (-2db each sub) and I was in heaven! The accuracy is unparalleled, I have to towers on the floor and my center is 5ft off the ground and the L-C-R sweeping effect is seamless, actually all channels are! Be sure to adjust your crossovers to your liking and use LFE+Main if your fronts don't produce enough bass for you.

The dtsHD-MA track on the Dark Knight Rises is EPIC, the Batman police chase scene, EPIC, when Bruce Wayne climbs out of the pit, EPIC, the last 30 seconds of the movie and the end credits, SUPER EPIC SOUND! This is where you need the midrange response to be good, to produce that big screen sound. Yes, MultEQ XT 32 subEQ is worth it, it doesn't kill the subsonic lows like it did in the past and with 2 subs equalized, aw man!

Now on to the pros and cons, CONS: Remote, no (native) dts 5.1 while in 7.1/2 speaker configuration, no auto sound format decoding, example if a source has a SB Flag (EX) you have to manually switch to Dolby EX, no one button speaker level adjustment, microphone, slight electrical buzz, and weight. Lack of over all options, too many to list. Pros: Clean, strong sound, fast menus, subEQ, inCommand, assignable amps are very nice, I love using my tablet as a remote, fast audyssey calibration, instaPreview.

Overall I am impressed, although initially I was disappointed, I still feel they should not have over simplified the options, like, the option to disable the audyssey L/R bypass, multichannel in sub level adjustment, no adjustments can be made during pure direct mode, surround back auto decoding, no fast one button speaker level adjustment, even the 2ch mode options are greyed out, haven't figured that one out yet.

P.S. I do also miss having both audio source input diagram on one side and output on the other, now you have to choose one or the other.
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