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post #10201 of 10214 Old 10-23-2014, 07:56 PM
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Just upgraded from the 4310ci to the 4520ci, and boy what an adventure it was. First thing I noticed was the weight, they nearly weighed the same, after removing the 4310ic and installing the 4520ci and running the audyssey calibration I was VERY disappointed by what I was hearing. Here is where the adventure began, because I know that this unit should sound better than my old one. My setup: 7.2 Mirage Speakers with 2 Prestige s10 subs, what the 4520ci MultEQ XT 32 did to my subwoofer levels was laughable, -9 -10?! I knew something was odd when during the setup it asked to level EACH sub at 75db, solution, I used the y adapter and manually leveled both subs to 75db and switched back and forth from the y adapter to the dual outputs until each sub calibrated out to the same level witch ended up being -5/-5. After all of that I was still highly disappointed with the sound, the 4520ci MultEQ XT 32 calibration's midrange response was VERY thin! It was like I was using 7 satellite speakers and the bass was still too low.

Now I am very upset, and started thinking how can I get this receiver to sound like my old one, then I had an epiphany, use the 4310ci as a baseline for the 4520ci. The most important variable in the calibration was the microphones, the old mic (DM-A409) proved to be more sensitive, by about 2db. After recalibrating with the old mic, voilĂ , pristine sound, oh then I adjusted each sub by the +2db difference then added 1 more db for effect (-2db each sub) and I was in heaven! The accuracy is unparalleled, I have to towers on the floor and my center is 5ft off the ground and the L-C-R sweeping effect is seamless, actually all channels are! Be sure to adjust your crossovers to your liking and use LFE+Main if your fronts don't produce enough bass for you.

The dtsHD-MA track on the Dark Knight Rises is EPIC, the Batman police chase scene, EPIC, when Bruce Wayne climbs out of the pit, EPIC, the last 30 seconds of the movie and the end credits, SUPER EPIC SOUND! This is where you need the midrange response to be good, to produce that big screen sound. Yes, MultEQ XT 32 subEQ is worth it, it doesn't kill the subsonic lows like it did in the past and with 2 subs equalized, aw man!

Now on to the pros and cons, CONS: Remote, no (native) dts 5.1 while in 7.1/2 speaker configuration, no auto sound format decoding, example if a source has a SB Flag (EX) you have to manually switch to Dolby EX, no one button speaker level adjustment, microphone, slight electrical buzz, and weight. Lack of over all options, too many to list. Pros: Clean, strong sound, fast menus, subEQ, inCommand, assignable amps are very nice, I love using my tablet as a remote, fast audyssey calibration, instaPreview.

Overall I am impressed, although initially I was disappointed, I still feel they should not have over simplified the options, like, the option to disable the audyssey L/R bypass, multichannel in sub level adjustment, no adjustments can be made during pure direct mode, surround back auto decoding, no fast one button speaker level adjustment, even the 2ch mode options are greyed out, haven't figured that one out yet.

P.S. I do also miss having both audio source input diagram on one side and output on the other, now you have to choose one or the other.
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Auto lip sync

Were do you find auto lip sync, i can only find auto delay. I have moved auto delay to 53ms it is working better. But i still like to try auto lip sync.
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Were do you find auto lip sync, i can only find auto delay. I have moved auto delay to 53ms it is working better. But i still like to try auto lip sync.
Lip sync and delay are different names for the same thing.
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Actually Jerry- I think he's referring to the Auto Lip Sync setting found in Video/ HDMI settings.
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Hay, guys thank you both, Auto lip sync was set to on so i tried auto delay looks like it is working better lip are closer to the speech. Did have to set it to 53ms. Should have kept my 5308cl.
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Quick question.

On the x4000 I just returned would have more GUI info when the info button was pushed. Is this not possible with the 4520ci?


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Quick question.

On the x4000 I just returned would have more GUI info when the info button was pushed. Is this not possible with the 4520ci?


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No. The expanded Info button graphic was a new feature added on the X/S series models that came out the year after the 4520.
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Yepp, all you get is the source and audio types, no channels in/channels out on 4520.

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Thanks guys.

The other thing I can't figure out is how to watch 1 source and listen to another.
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Well it is a feature to use if needed.
I do my tv viewing mostly at mv - 20 to -30 so considerably lower.
Ya, I do most of my regular tv viewing around -25 to -30. I don't bother with the dynamic sound control though....I only move to around -8 to -12 for movies and such. I would never want to watch regular TV at those levels...the variability of the sound levels especially with the commercials would be grating to say the least even though the commercials are by law supposed to be level with the rest of the programming nowadays, that is if they want to be compliant.

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AVR/TV/DIRECTV Issue!!!

PLEASE HELP!!!


This morning I went to turn on my equipment with my DIRECTV remote as I usually do with the ON button NOT the PWR button, this usually turns on my Genie, Sony XBR65X900a and DENON AVR-4520CI. I have lost this functionality. I now have to physically move the switch on my DIRECTV remote to AV1 in order to turn the receiver and to control the volume. Before this I was able to control the volume on the receiver without the switch having to be on the AV1 position, and if I wanted to shut the receiver off the remote would automatically switch over and control the TV volume. Also when I would play a movie via my USB on the TV the receiver would auto switch to TV audio, I have also lost this capability. If anyone could be of assistance it would be greatly appreciated.


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Sounds like the remote went haywire. You can try reprogramming, or call service and request a new remote.

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If one wants AUTO Lip Sync to work, do you have to have delay set to ZERO?


If delay is set to a number, say 75 ms , does Auto Lip Sync still work?
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Ya, I do most of my regular tv viewing around -25 to -30. I don't bother with the dynamic sound control though....I only move to around -8 to -12 for movies and such. I would never want to watch regular TV at those levels...the variability of the sound levels especially with the commercials would be grating to say the least even though the commercials are by law supposed to be level with the rest of the programming nowadays, that is if they want to be compliant.

I seem to recall reading that commercials usually do adhere to the max volume requirements but they punch everything up to a much higher average volume. So the voice of the housewife who is contemplating having an affair with some cleaning product is as loud as an explosion in the show you are watching. Observing the behavior of the VU meters on my external amp seems to bear this out.
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