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post #10711 of 12624 Old 12-06-2014, 05:05 PM
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I counted 4 people from your 2nd post including myself who said "yes" with varying info, the final decision is yours.....

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The "right" move....is subjective .... if you are looking for full 4k pass thru with HDCP 2.2 compliance for future proofing then "no", nor does it have object sound.

What "experience" are you lacking with the 4308?
What are you trying to truly accomplish?
Why now, today?
Why not in fall 2015 when say a tweaked x4100w will handle your needs....(I expect it to have HDCP 2.2 compliance then)


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Thanks Mt for getting back to me.
Honestly the 4308 works great just getting old. Ive had it for almost five years. I wanted to get the 4520 pure and simply because of the price. Either way no I do not have a 4k hdtv nor need any of those things you mentioned..it was more of a impulse buy. Theoretically the 4308 could die tomorrow or last me another 20 years...
might give it a try or I wont idk.
Its a 50/50 chance whether I like it or not. Im just curious if it will improve audio quality because right now the system sounds great! Theres always that 'what if' in audio and home theater. Thanks again for getting back to me
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Thanks Mt for getting back to me.
Honestly the 4308 works great just getting old. Ive had it for almost five years. I wanted to get the 4520 pure and simply because of the price. Either way no I do not have a 4k hdtv nor need any of those things you mentioned..it was more of a impulse buy. Theoretically the 4308 could die tomorrow or last me another 20 years...
might give it a try or I wont idk.
Its a 50/50 chance whether I like it or not. Im just curious if it will improve audio quality because right now the system sounds great! Theres always that 'what if' in audio and home theater. Thanks again for getting back to me
The 3808 is the little brother to the 4308. I got mine around six years ago. I also thought the audio sounded great with my 3808. But once I setup my 4520 and performed the audio calibration, I was floored at how much better it sounded. If I had known it could have sounded that much better I would have considered upgrading my receiver much sooner.

But also for me I can't place any speakers on the ceiling so Atmos is probably out for me. I can't really see going past the 9.1 I currently have setup without some kind of major modifications. If I had the space for an Atmos setup I would probably wait. But right now with my 4520 I should be good for several years unless I have major water damage from the condo above me again.

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Im just curious if it will improve audio quality because right now the system sounds great! Theres always that 'what if' in audio and home theater. Thanks again for getting back to me

I think you have already had 4-5 people ...including me...that have owned both units that said yes the 4520 is a definite upgrade over the 4308
My 4308...while it sounded good..crapped out and ended up being a buy back to Denon


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Thanks Mt for getting back to me.
Honestly the 4308 works great just getting old. Ive had it for almost five years. I wanted to get the 4520 pure and simply because of the price. Either way no I do not have a 4k hdtv nor need any of those things you mentioned..it was more of a impulse buy. Theoretically the 4308 could die tomorrow or last me another 20 years...
might give it a try or I wont idk.
Its a 50/50 chance whether I like it or not. Im just curious if it will improve audio quality because right now the system sounds great! Theres always that 'what if' in audio and home theater. Thanks again for getting back to me
That was pretty much my situation, except with a 5 yr old Onkyo and an Outlaw amp. For the sale price of the 4520 I only had to kick in about $200 after selling the AVR and amp. The sound is far and away superior, I wondered if I'd miss the amp, but in my room not at all. Running 7.1 Paradigm Monitors, it's louder at lower volume settings, and the SQ is better than anything the Onkyo could do. But it's about budget and priorities I guess. The 4308 is a quality piece, no doubt about it.

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But also for me I can't place any speakers on the ceiling so Atmos is probably out for me. I can't really see going past the 9.1 I currently have setup without some kind of major modifications. If I had the space for an Atmos setup I would probably wait. But right now with my 4520 I should be good for several years unless I have major water damage from the condo above me again.
Keep in mind that there is an alternative to speakers in the ceiling. There are/will be upward firing speakers reflecting off the ceiling...

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Keep in mind that there is an alternative to speakers in the ceiling. There are/will be upward firing speakers reflecting off the ceiling...
Which almost ironically places higher requirements on the ceiling than actually mounting the speakers, in short, your ceiling must be perfectly flat and unobstructed.
If you have sloped or a cathedral, or anything but a perfectly flat ceiling these upfiring reflecting speakers will not work at all.
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Every few days I lose the audio on my 4520. I have my dish network Joey receiver hooked to the cbl/sat input. I don't know the exact scenario it happens, but it is too frequently. Should I try a new cable? Anyone know what causes this? It happened when I had a 4311 too.
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Which almost ironically places higher requirements on the ceiling than actually mounting the speakers, in short, your ceiling must be perfectly flat and unobstructed.
If you have sloped or a cathedral, or anything but a perfectly flat ceiling these upfiring reflecting speakers will not work at all.
Not sure what you mean by "perfectly flat"? Most ceilings are flat and not vaulted and have no obstructions. It's not like you have to get up there with a laser device to make sure your ceiling is flat enough.
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Every few days I lose the audio on my 4520. I have my dish network Joey receiver hooked to the cbl/sat input. I don't know the exact scenario it happens, but it is too frequently. Should I try a new cable? Anyone know what causes this? It happened when I had a 4311 too.
I would like a better description of what you do to get the audio back. Is it happening only on the Dish input?

I ask because I have an occasional problem on my 4520 on the DirecTV connections. It can happen when switching channels, or when coming out of a fast forward. The audio suddenly will be gone. But I can immediately restore audio by changing channels, so the issue is a minor annoyance. I attribute it to a glitch in the decoding of the DVR's digital signal. Since it is so easily fixed, I have never felt like researching root cause.
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Is the 4520 superior to the 4311? ...Sound wise.

And is Audyssey truly that bad for music listening? ...From them both Denon models.
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Not sure what you mean by "perfectly flat"? Most ceilings are flat and not vaulted and have no obstructions. It's not like you have to get up there with a laser device to make sure your ceiling is flat enough.
I agree that a typical ceiling will be flat enough without getting out the laser. Unfortunately, I have a different problem. I have installed a cloud of acoustic treatments on the ceiling to control reflections. Now, to implement Atmos, I have to remove the treatments and re-introduce unwanted refelections in order to use the Atmos-enabled speakers. Doesn't make sense to me.
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Is the 4520 superior to the 4311? ...Sound wise.

And is Audyssey truly that bad for music listening?
I feel exceptionally qualified to answer this question, because my 4520 is in the repair shop, and I have temporarily re-located my 4311 from the bedroom to the main listening room.

I re-ran an Audyssey Pro calibration on the 4311 in the identical environment that the 4520 has been in. After the calibration, I took a full set of REW measurements with the 4311, and I have two weeks of listening to the 4311 to form an opinion.

Results: no difference. The REW measurements between the 4520 and the 4311 are essentially the same. And the listening tests confim it--both AVR's sound very similar. So anyone contemplating upgrading from a 4311/A100 to a 4520 expecting audio improvements will be disappointed.
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I would like a better description of what you do to get the audio back. Is it happening only on the Dish input?

I ask because I have an occasional problem on my 4520 on the DirecTV connections. It can happen when switching channels, or when coming out of a fast forward. The audio suddenly will be gone. But I can immediately restore audio by changing channels, so the issue is a minor annoyance. I attribute it to a glitch in the decoding of the DVR's digital signal. Since it is so easily fixed, I have never felt like researching root cause.
The sound does not come back until I do a microprocessor reset. After i do this I reload my saved settings from my laptop.

This only happens on the dish input and has happened on a 2312, 4311 and now a 4520, all on the same dish receiver. I moved the 4311 to a new room and it hasn't happened there yet on that Joey receiver.
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I feel exceptionally qualified to answer this question, because my 4520 is in the repair shop, and I have temporarily re-located my 4311 from the bedroom to the main listening room.

I re-ran an Audyssey Pro calibration on the 4311 in the identical environment that the 4520 has been in. After the calibration, I took a full set of REW measurements with the 4311, and I have two weeks of listening to the 4311 to form an opinion.

Results: no difference. The REW measurements between the 4520 and the 4311 are essentially the same. And the listening tests confim it--both AVR's sound very similar. So anyone contemplating upgrading from a 4311/A100 to a 4520 expecting audio improvements will be disappointed.
Does the 4311 come with Audyssey Pro or is that something you have to have separate?
If it didn't come with it would it be same results?
Just curious
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The sound does not come back until I do a microprocessor reset. After i do this I reload my saved settings from my laptop.

This only happens on the dish input and has happened on a 2312, 4311 and now a 4520, all on the same dish receiver. I moved the 4311 to a new room and it hasn't happened there yet on that Joey receiver.
Our problems are not the same. I would seriously think about getting a different satellite receiver, because I don't think the issue is with the 4520. You could try moving the satellite unit to a different HDMI port.
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Our problems are not the same. I would seriously think about getting a different satellite receiver, because I don't think the issue is with the 4520. You could try moving the satellite unit to a different HDMI port.
I may call DISH and see if they can send me a new receiver. This has never happened in my game room location.
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That was pretty much my situation, except with a 5 yr old Onkyo and an Outlaw amp. For the sale price of the 4520 I only had to kick in about $200 after selling the AVR and amp. The sound is far and away superior, I wondered if I'd miss the amp, but in my room not at all. Running 7.1 Paradigm Monitors, it's louder at lower volume settings, and the SQ is better than anything the Onkyo could do. But it's about budget and priorities I guess. The 4308 is a quality piece, no doubt about it.
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If you're going to stick with the 7.1 layout and have a PC connected to the 4520 via HDMI, would you be interested in trying out Dirac Live? There is a free trial available here: http://www.dirac.se/en/online-store.aspx

Would like to get some feedback on the sound quality differences between Dirac vs. Audyssey XT32. Dirac has some flexibility on the target curve and can be customized to suite one's taste. Also Dirac deals with reflects and corrects for impulse response. Curious to know which one is better.

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I feel exceptionally qualified to answer this question, because my 4520 is in the repair shop, and I have temporarily re-located my 4311 from the bedroom to the main listening room.

I re-ran an Audyssey Pro calibration on the 4311 in the identical environment that the 4520 has been in. After the calibration, I took a full set of REW measurements with the 4311, and I have two weeks of listening to the 4311 to form an opinion.

Results: no difference. The REW measurements between the 4520 and the 4311 are essentially the same. And the listening tests confim it--both AVR's sound very similar. So anyone contemplating upgrading from a 4311/A100 to a 4520 expecting audio improvements will be disappointed.
no surprise that they sound very similar

I would also suspect that the corresponding Marantz model will sound about the same as well

so then it becomes what price you can get one for and which ones appearance you like better

To respond to the poster that you quoted
I personally dont think Audessey sounds very good for listening to 2 channel music

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That was pretty much my situation, except with a 5 yr old Onkyo and an Outlaw amp. For the sale price of the 4520 I only had to kick in about $200 after selling the AVR and amp. The sound is far and away superior, I wondered if I'd miss the amp, but in my room not at all. Running 7.1 Paradigm Monitors, it's louder at lower volume settings, and the SQ is better than anything the Onkyo could do. But it's about budget and priorities I guess. The 4308 is a quality piece, no doubt about it.
what model Onkyo were you using?...if it was XT32 equipped I cant imagine there was much difference
and if there was it would be for the most part subjective

I just swapped a marantz 8801 into a space where an Onkyo 5508 was
I will tell you to quote from one of my favorite movies

They are for the most part "two horns on the same goat"

Nunace is what I would say the differences are

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After having my first 4520 sent back with hdmi problems, my replacement arrived today. This one will not output through the hdmi to the tv also. I have tried 6 different cables all of which I believe are good since I am using one now from my pc to TV and the others output from pc to tv also but once I try and use it in the 4520 I get no signal. I have done a reset and still will not display. These are not the most expensive cables but were not the cheap ones either. Lengths vary from 1.5 -35 ft cables Does anyone have any help on this?

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^^^^^^^ "looking here, The **OFFICIAL** DENON AVR-4520CI thread , looks like I missed 8. 2/19/2014 (3525-8853-5475), as I turned off the auto remind feature ...
Something to do later this weekend when everybody is gone, as then gotta re-run calibration

Just curious - are you re-running the calibration for other reasons? Otherwise - I'm not aware that a firmware update necessitates the need to rerun Audyssey.
Been so long I just assumed needed to, as it turns out no, at last for this firmware revision from my prior one.
(in other words, the firmware changes did not affect anything Audyssey set up related)

Firmware updated and all Audyssey setting/speaker distances/EQ/etc still same.

So ta-da, updated firmware, possible since nothing was "broken" with my usage (that I was aware of) there was nothing for me to "fix", but what the heck.
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Long time no chat fellow HT addicts So I have been running 9 channel for awhile. I bought a cheap Definitive Technology Pro Cinema 600 set to use the 4 satellites as heights and wides. Mostly for the discreteness and small size and still get the sound effect out there at those positions. A real larger speaker simply wouldn't work. So I still have the center channel and was thinking of adding it in as a single back surround directly behind and up mounted from the ceiling area.

What would the amp setting I would do for that? All 9 channels run off of the 4520's amps and then the single back surround from a separate? Obviously I need another single channel of amplification. But should I just buy a 2 channel and run LR from that? I can't remember if the 4520 has assignable amp sections.

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After having my first 4520 sent back with hdmi problems, my replacement arrived today. This one will not output through the hdmi to the tv also. I have tried 6 different cables all of which I believe are good since I am using one now from my pc to TV and the others output from pc to tv also but once I try and use it in the 4520 I get no signal. I have done a reset and still will not display. These are not the most expensive cables but were not the cheap ones either. Lengths vary from 1.5 -35 ft cables Does anyone have any help on this?

Perhaps a comment might prove to be helpful.


Would you allow the vendor to disrespect, mistreat, and/or CHEAT YOU by accepting a replacement that is also faulty?
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After having my first 4520 sent back with hdmi problems, my replacement arrived today. This one will not output through the hdmi to the tv also. I have tried 6 different cables all of which I believe are good since I am using one now from my pc to TV and the others output from pc to tv also but once I try and use it in the 4520 I get no signal. I have done a reset and still will not display. These are not the most expensive cables but were not the cheap ones either. Lengths vary from 1.5 -35 ft cables Does anyone have any help on this?
Is PC your only source? Do you have a BluRay player or something you can use to try if it is?
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Perhaps a comment might prove to be helpful.
Would you allow the vendor to disrespect, mistreat, and/or CHEAT YOU by accepting a replacement that is also faulty?

No I don't think this vendor knowingly would cheat the customer, but I also know s**t happens by no ones fault.

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Is PC your only source? Do you have a BluRay player or something you can use to try if it is?

This is something I have been thinking about and talking with the vendor about also. But after talking with the vendor and looking at the Getting Started guide, I am wondering if the PC or BluRay or any other source has any influence with this.


Let me put it this way. I open up the 4520 and proceed to follow the getting started instructions.
1) put batteries in - check
2) place receiver close to TV and connect receiver to TV with HDMI cable. - check
3)Turn on TV and select appropriate HDMI input. - check
4)Plug in receiver and turn on receiver. - check
5) Follow the on-screen setup assistant. - No video signal to TV.


So after following he instructions and getting no video signal to TV, I assume a bad cable and test all my cables from my pc to TV without the receiver in between. All cables seem to work from PC to TV. Then I assume it may be a my TV, so I switch out the 70" for my 42" and then to my 32". I follow all the same instructions as above with each resulting in a no video signal to any TV on any HDMI input of the TV's. So as a last ditch effort and wally world being close, I get another 6ft length of HDMI cable, Monster brand. And start the whole process over again, and get no video signal. So at this point I am thinking WTH and do a deep reset of the receiver and go to bed. Start the process the next morning with different cables, TV's and turning on and off sequences to no avail. No where does it ask me to add a source since I can not get the On-Screen Setup Assistant to display.


On my first 4520 I did get the onscreen assistant and it did ask if you would like help adding a source. ie..bluray,dvd, etc..


Now I have contacted the vendor and Denon on this and so far neither have a answer to fix the problem. I don't know what to try next. I bring my old onkyo in and hook it up and video and audio work fine, bring in my 4311 and hook it up and video and audio all are fine. Hook the 4520 up and get no video but do get audio with the tuner.
Are there any other tests to run or try that will maybe get this to work?

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No I don't think this vendor knowingly would cheat the customer, but I also know s**t happens by no ones fault.




This is something I have been thinking about and talking with the vendor about also. But after talking with the vendor and looking at the Getting Started guide, I am wondering if the PC or BluRay or any other source has any influence with this.


Let me put it this way. I open up the 4520 and proceed to follow the getting started instructions.
1) put batteries in - check
2) place receiver close to TV and connect receiver to TV with HDMI cable. - check
3)Turn on TV and select appropriate HDMI input. - check
4)Plug in receiver and turn on receiver. - check
5) Follow the on-screen setup assistant. - No video signal to TV.


So after following he instructions and getting no video signal to TV, I assume a bad cable and test all my cables from my pc to TV without the receiver in between. All cables seem to work from PC to TV. Then I assume it may be a my TV, so I switch out the 70" for my 42" and then to my 32". I follow all the same instructions as above with each resulting in a no video signal to any TV on any HDMI input of the TV's. So as a last ditch effort and wally world being close, I get another 6ft length of HDMI cable, Monster brand. And start the whole process over again, and get no video signal. So at this point I am thinking WTH and do a deep reset of the receiver and go to bed. Start the process the next morning with different cables, TV's and turning on and off sequences to no avail. No where does it ask me to add a source since I can not get the On-Screen Setup Assistant to display.


On my first 4520 I did get the onscreen assistant and it did ask if you would like help adding a source. ie..bluray,dvd, etc..


Now I have contacted the vendor and Denon on this and so far neither have a answer to fix the problem. I don't know what to try next. I bring my old onkyo in and hook it up and video and audio work fine, bring in my 4311 and hook it up and video and audio all are fine. Hook the 4520 up and get no video but do get audio with the tuner.
Are there any other tests to run or try that will maybe get this to work?
It definitely sounds like an issue with the 4520. If you can't even get the 4520 OSD functions to display, then plugging a source device into one of the HDMI inputs isn't going to help.
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I have a quick question. I prefer to listen to 2 channel music with a 60hz crossover but I watch movies with a global crossover of 80hz for all speakers. On my old Denon 4311 I could set different speaker settings for 2 channel. Denon apparently did away with this option on the 4520 unless separate speakers are used for 2 channel. Is there away to setup a Harmony remote to switch the crossover settings with one button?
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I have a quick question. I prefer to listen to 2 channel music with a 60hz crossover but I watch movies with a global crossover of 80hz for all speakers. On my old Denon 4311 I could set different speaker settings for 2 channel. Denon apparently did away with this option on the 4520 unless separate speakers are used for 2 channel. Is there away to setup a Harmony remote to switch the crossover settings with one button?
Unfortunately, this feature was removed for a model cycle but it has returned on the new high end X-Series models with Atmos (X4100 and up).

There is really no easy way to change a crossover with a Harmony macro, it would take too many button clicks and menu navigations. What I suggest is you bookmark the URL for the "Crossovers" menu in your web broswer (laptop or tablet/smartphone) where it is easy to change quickly.

Or you could just leave your fronts at 60Hz for all content. I highly doubt you'd notice much difference between 60Hz and 80Hz with movie content if your fronts are moderately capable.

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