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Interestingly, I had just placed an order for one yesterday to replace my BSP-80, mostly cuz I was interested in playing around with the network streaming features.
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Since you've got the Western Digital MyBook Live NAS, might be interested in the media streamer called WD TV Live here: http://www.amazon.com/Live-Media-Pla...e+media+player

Was able to stream multi-channel FLAC files (5.1) from the 3TB WD MyBook to the WDTV Live. A more cost effective solution than the Oppo BDP-103D for network streaming..

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I've replaced my Denon 4310 receiver with a 4520. In addition to my LCR, I have wides, surrounds, and surround backs. With the 4310, I essentially had it configured as a 5.1 with DSX Wide. I was able to select which surround speakers to use with different surround modes, so that when it detected a signal from DVD-Audios or SACDs, the surround backs were used, and on other 5.1 signals like movies, my dipole surrounds were used. Is there any way to configure the 4520 to do that?
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So far it's pretty much replaced my HTPC alone if not for gaming and storing files and I consider it one of my "why the hell didn't I get this sooner" purchases :P
The network features is just a flat file list, no fancy library functions so actual file browsing looks fairly old school, but the playback quality is best I have seen.
And with the new Apple\Android app you can control playback and use any connected source through that, so for music listening no need to turn on the projector or the plasma.

Only reason I can't recommend it is that in this day and age those 100$ bd players are also very good so if you want to spend 600$ more for one it's going to have to be your choice alone.
But it is one of the best things I have ever treated myself too :P

Thanks for this! I'll take stable, fast, and easy over fancy library features any day. A stable app that avoids having to turn the TV on is a nice plus... wish it was a Windows app, but I guess that iPad my wife got for Christmas might come in handy after all.


Now, if it could play Blu-ray rips with menu support, I'd completely ditch my HTPC.
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elee532,

Since you've got the Western Digital MyBook Live NAS, might be interested in the media streamer called WD TV Live here: http://www.amazon.com/Live-Media-Pla...e+media+player

Was able to stream multi-channel FLAC files (5.1) from the 3TB WD MyBook to the WDTV Live. A more cost effective solution than the Oppo BDP-103D for network streaming..

I owned a WD TV Live for our TV room maybe 18 months ago. It was painfully slow. Replaced it with a Roku 3 when it first came out, and haven't looked back. I have been considering trying one out again in the music/theater room as I understand it does support a lot of formats. Thanks!
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I'm the new owner of a 4520 and now trying JRiver to play hi-res and 5.1 FLAC and DSD DSF files from a Windows HTPC. Anyone with a similar setup? What JRiver audio settings are you using to get the best stream possible to your 4520?


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Thanks for this! I'll take stable, fast, and easy over fancy library features any day. A stable app that avoids having to turn the TV on is a nice plus... wish it was a Windows app, but I guess that iPad my wife got for Christmas might come in handy after all.


Now, if it could play Blu-ray rips with menu support, I'd completely ditch my HTPC.
Sadly no iso image support so don't think that's doable, I do have ripped some of my favorites to mkv but that strips both menus and commercials.

I honestly personally like the aspect of going over to the actual discs, picking out a film and popping it in, so what I have ripped has mostly been for the youngones and whatnot.

Recommend moving this line of debate over to the respective oppo thread before we go to off topic here, besides more knowledgable people over there as well :P
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Sadly no iso image support so don't think that's doable, I do have ripped some of my favorites to mkv but that strips both menus and commercials.

I honestly personally like the aspect of going over to the actual discs, picking out a film and popping it in, so what I have ripped has mostly been for the youngones and whatnot.

Recommend moving this line of debate over to the respective oppo thread before we go to off topic here, besides more knowledgable people over there as well :P
There isn't any ISO support, but there is AVCHD folder structure support. Rip Blurays to a BDMV folder structure, put that folder inside an AVCHD folder and run a program called bdmv modify v1.4 on the AVCHD folder so it will play on the Oppo. It won't work with 3D, but everything else should work fine. Just keep in mind that this isn't officially supported and could be removed in future firmware updates if the movie studios start yelling at them about it. And yes, this discussion really belongs in the Oppo threads.
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Sorry, didn't mean to drift into an off-topic discussion. Just sharing my dream for a streaming device... frankly wish the Denon could handle it all so I didn't need an extra device. :-) I'll move over to the Oppo thread. I'm very intrigued by gsr's post as a possibility for handling my Blurays (concerts mostly, not movies).
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I've replaced my Denon 4310 receiver with a 4520. In addition to my LCR, I have wides, surrounds, and surround backs. With the 4310, I essentially had it configured as a 5.1 with DSX Wide. I was able to select which surround speakers to use with different surround modes, so that when it detected a signal from DVD-Audios or SACDs, the surround backs were used, and on other 5.1 signals like movies, my dipole surrounds were used. Is there any way to configure the 4520 to do that?
I'll try again. Is there any way to configure the 4520 to send multichannel music signals to one set of surrounds and multichannel programming signals to another set of surrounds? I was able to do this with my 4310 because it had a Surround "A" and Surround "B" option. I could set it to automatically direct surround signals, depending upon type and also to remember surround modes, such as turning stereo signals into PLIIx.

I haven't found anything like this on the 4520; all I've been able to do is select different surround modes every time I play a different type of source.
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I've replaced my Denon 4310 receiver with a 4520. In addition to my LCR, I have wides, surrounds, and surround backs. With the 4310, I essentially had it configured as a 5.1 with DSX Wide. I was able to select which surround speakers to use with different surround modes, so that when it detected a signal from DVD-Audios or SACDs, the surround backs were used, and on other 5.1 signals like movies, my dipole surrounds were used. Is there any way to configure the 4520 to do that?
I'll try again. Is there any way to configure the 4520 to send multichannel music signals to one set of surrounds and multichannel programming signals to another set of surrounds? I was able to do this with my 4310 because it had a Surround "A" and Surround "B" option. I could set it to automatically direct surround signals, depending upon type and also to remember surround modes, such as turning stereo signals into PLIIx.

I haven't found anything like this on the 4520; all I've been able to do is select different surround modes every time I play a different type of source.
No. Surround A/B switching disappeared years ago. Your 4310 is probably the last Denon receiver to offer it.
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No. Surround A/B switching disappeared years ago. Your 4310 is probably the last Denon receiver to offer it.
Hmm. Even before I got the 4520, I had been thinking about switching my surround dipoles with my surround back direct speakers and going to 7.1 instead of a switchable 5.1 because some of my multichannel music is either DTS- or Dolby-based and would always get directed to my dipoles anyway. I might go ahead and do that because I like the sound and some of the other features of the 4520. Thanks.
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Someone Posted this on another thread about the 4520CI Setup - ANY THOUGHTS before I try it? My Speakers are Rated at 4 OHMS.

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Press "setup" on the remote to get into the 4520's settings. Go down to "speakers", and go to "manual setup". Go to "impedance" in that section, and double check that "8 ohms" is selected. After resetting the 4520, it should be - 8 ohms is the default. But we are just double checking. As I said previously, any AV Receiver that gives you the option to select a lower impedance (such as 4 ohms) just completely chokes off all of its current if you select that lower impedance setting. Always leave any impedance option at the highest impedance available. In the case of the 4520, that is 8 ohms."
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still inventory available at $999 for those that still are looking for a 4520...that is new and not a refurb


Adorama( via ebay)....authorized dealer


makes me wonder...how many of these things did they manufacture( or should I say over manufacture) that ample inventory is still available?




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still inventory available at $999 for those that still are looking for a 4520...that is new and not a refurb


Adorama( via ebay)....authorized dealer


makes me wonder...how many of these things did they manufacture( or should I say over manufacture) that ample inventory is still available?




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I think a lot of potential buyers were waiting for Atmos. Overnight the 4520 was obsolete. I sold mine off weeks before the Atmos AVRs hit the street. I sold used for $ 1200 locally. 1K is a steal for this AVR new even though lacking Atmos.

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I think a lot of potential buyers were waiting for Atmos. Overnight the 4520 was obsolete. I sold mine off weeks before the Atmos AVRs hit the street.

if that is the case then I am glad I paid over 50% less than what people were paying just a few months ago for 4520's
as I have said a few times the life cycle of the Asian electronics is very short
you can rest assured that there will be something new in the product cycle( 12-18 months) that will be the new"must have" of that season
I remember buying a 4310, a unit I frankly disliked, for $499 when 3D ( HDMI 1.4) hit the street


I will wait for the obsolete units for 60-75% off retail 12-18 months after they come out....


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$My 4520 "bit the bullet" this past week. No video from inputs or even outputs 1 & 2 to TV. Powered down & reset multiple times to no avail. Left it for several days & mostly seemed to work all all HDMI inputs (DVD. Media) but when I finally hooked everything back up it went out again. I hoping to just take it to BB for extended warranty & let them send it in? Or should I go through Denon & do return myself ? (It is under warranty - I just don't want the hassle of sending it in but will if that is the better option. Thanks for any advice........ loved it while it worked.
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Someone Posted this on another thread about the 4520CI Setup - ANY THOUGHTS before I try it? My Speakers are Rated at 4 OHMS.

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Press "setup" on the remote to get into the 4520's settings. Go down to "speakers", and go to "manual setup". Go to "impedance" in that section, and double check that "8 ohms" is selected. After resetting the 4520, it should be - 8 ohms is the default. But we are just double checking. As I said previously, any AV Receiver that gives you the option to select a lower impedance (such as 4 ohms) just completely chokes off all of its current if you select that lower impedance setting. Always leave any impedance option at the highest impedance available. In the case of the 4520, that is 8 ohms."
Yes, set it at 8ohms, that is the recommended way to go.
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I think a lot of potential buyers were waiting for Atmos. Overnight the 4520 was obsolete. I sold mine off weeks before the Atmos AVRs hit the street. I sold used for $ 1200 locally. 1K is a steal for this AVR new even though lacking Atmos.

I'm just going to enjoy using my 4520 until DTS:X matures. Nothing is " obsolete " unless you think it is. In which case, please call me to buy the latest Sony 4K projector ( which I am also enjoying along with my " obsolete " 3 chip DLP 1080p projector ) !
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Yes, set it at 8ohms, that is the recommended way to go.

Why, is setting it for 4 ohms harmful ? I have 9 speakers connected to my 4520, all 4 ohm, and have my 4520 set for 4 ohm. I can play as loud as it's humanly possible to stand ( and probably louder ) - no problems what so ever. Been using it this way for 2 years. Just FYI.

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After a couple trips to the local authorized repair center, and the District service center at least once, my machine was deemed unfixable and supposedly I am getting a new replacement from Denon.

I bought it this fall, first time failure was a power supply issue, hard lockup, failure to power on, etc. Second time was that HD radio locked up the unit and I got repeating static sounds from one of the speakers and the unit locked up if I turned it to tuner. It's definately been in the shop more than out since this fall. The authorized repair center says this kind of thing is almost never seen on Denon's top tier units in his experience, but judging from some of the reviews on line, and in this thread --- this units do have more problems than would be expected?!?!?!

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Why, is setting it for 4 ohms harmful ? I have 9 speakers connected to my 4520, all 4 ohm, and have my 4520 set for 4 ohm. I can play as loud as it's humanly possible to stand ( and probably louder ) - no problems what so ever. Been using it this way for 2 years. Just FYI.
And you are also limiting how much current or the rail voltage that the AVR can output to a lower amount by setting it at 4ohms. Plus, you also run the risk of the causing the amplifier section to start clipping when you are operating the AVR at higher volume settings when set at 4ohms.

As Per http://www.audioholics.com/frequent-...r-or-amplifier


"Receivers: Most midfi Receivers may have problems adequately driving a 4 ohm load. However, many of the better Receivers today have a large enough power supply, heat sink area, and current capability in the amp sections to handle 4 ohm loads. You are usually safe running these speakers on the Flagship Receiver models from: {Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, Harman Kardon, NAD, Nakamichi). NOTE: Some Receivers have an impedance selector switch. In most cases we recommend the 8-ohm or more setting. The manufacturer puts them there for UL/CSA approvals as well as easing consumer concerns about driving low impedance loads. These switches step down voltage feed to the power sections which will limit dynamics and overall fidelity. Keep the switch set for 8 ohms regardless of the impedance of your speakers and ensure proper ventilation of the Receiver.

Update: 09/06/05
Upon further investigation on this topic we have discovered that in most cases the switch is doing nothing more than reducing the rail voltage. Please check out our measurements on page 2 of the Yamaha R-XV4600 review for more information on this.
As you can see the measurement differences between the "low" setting (less than 8 ohms) and the "High" setting (8 ohms or more). This is the reason I usually recommend keeping this switch in its default "High" setting and using common sense when mating a receiver with inefficient 4 ohm speakers in large rooms.
All the "Low" setting of the switch is doing is stepping the rail voltage down so when UL tests the amp at a specified distortion level, the amp will achieve that distortion level sooner since it runs out of headroom more quickly than it would in the "High" (8 ohm or more) setting. This in turn generates less heat since the amp isn't driven as hard. You really aren't buying any protection for driving low impedance loads as you actually risk clipping the amplifier more since it can run out of headroom more easily. The switch is there more for certification purposes. The reason you don't see this switch on separate amps is twofold:
  • They typically have more heat sink area, and bigger power supplies and can better manage the heat
  • They aren't UL certified and don't have to meet the requirement."

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And you are also limiting how much current or the rail voltage that the AVR can output to a lower amount by setting it at 4ohms. Plus, you also run the risk of the causing the amplifier section to start clipping when you are operating the AVR at higher volume settings when set at 4ohms.

As Per http://www.audioholics.com/frequent-...r-or-amplifier


"Receivers: Most midfi Receivers may have problems adequately driving a 4 ohm load. However, many of the better Receivers today have a large enough power supply, heat sink area, and current capability in the amp sections to handle 4 ohm loads. You are usually safe running these speakers on the Flagship Receiver models from: {Yamaha, Denon, Onkyo, Harman Kardon, NAD, Nakamichi). NOTE: Some Receivers have an impedance selector switch. In most cases we recommend the 8-ohm or more setting. The manufacturer puts them there for UL/CSA approvals as well as easing consumer concerns about driving low impedance loads. These switches step down voltage feed to the power sections which will limit dynamics and overall fidelity. Keep the switch set for 8 ohms regardless of the impedance of your speakers and ensure proper ventilation of the Receiver.

Update: 09/06/05
Upon further investigation on this topic we have discovered that in most cases the switch is doing nothing more than reducing the rail voltage. Please check out our measurements on page 2 of the Yamaha R-XV4600 review for more information on this.
As you can see the measurement differences between the "low" setting (less than 8 ohms) and the "High" setting (8 ohms or more). This is the reason I usually recommend keeping this switch in its default "High" setting and using common sense when mating a receiver with inefficient 4 ohm speakers in large rooms.
All the "Low" setting of the switch is doing is stepping the rail voltage down so when UL tests the amp at a specified distortion level, the amp will achieve that distortion level sooner since it runs out of headroom more quickly than it would in the "High" (8 ohm or more) setting. This in turn generates less heat since the amp isn't driven as hard. You really aren't buying any protection for driving low impedance loads as you actually risk clipping the amplifier more since it can run out of headroom more easily. The switch is there more for certification purposes. The reason you don't see this switch on separate amps is twofold:

  • They typically have more heat sink area, and bigger power supplies and can better manage the heat
  • They aren't UL certified and don't have to meet the requirement."

Interesting. I haven't had any clipping issues - but I am running the main L & R speakers off a separate amp. Maybe I'll change that setting to 8 ohms tonight and see if I hear any difference. I doubt it. But worth a shot.

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Interesting. I haven't had any clipping issues - but I am running the main L & R speakers off a separate amp. Maybe I'll change that setting to 8 ohms tonight and see if I hear any difference. I doubt it. But worth a shot.
Unless you drive it hard enough that the amp section was starting to clip, it is highly unlikely you will hear any difference. However, anything you can do to reduce the possible chance of clipping when it is as simple as setting it to 8ohms instead of 4ohms, is worth doing!
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HDMI ARC CEC problems

New setup with:

Samsung UN65HU8550 display (new)
Denon 4520CI receiver (new)
Samsung BD-F7500 BD player (new)
Tivo HD (old)

Configuration:
High speed HDMI cable connection from <Monitor 1> on the receiver to <HDMI4 ARC> on TV
High speed HDMI cable from Tivo to <MEDIA CENTER> on 4520
High speed HDMI cable from BD player to <BLU-RAY> on 4520
High speed HDMI cable from BD player to <HDMI1> on TV (BD player has 2 outputs)

Problem 1: Speaker setting: 'Receiver' option on the display is grayed out, only two options: 'speakers' and 'Audio out'. No sound from the 4520 when "TV Audio" is selected and TV intermittently give a "no signal from HDMI 4 error message". When the 4520 is powered down, the TV displays TIVO output from <HDMI4>

Solution 1: Added optical cable from TV to receiver <SPDIF 1> and configured <SPDIF 1> to "TV Audio" input. Power cycled everything and selected "Audio out" on the TV speaker options. After a minute or so, the 'Receiver' option was available in the speaker settings menu on the TV.

CEC was enabled on both the TV and the receiver

Problem 2: With everything powered off, turning the TV on starts the TV and the receiver. Receiver starts with TIVO input selected and a video feed from TIVO is displayed on the TV, then after several seconds the receiver switches to "TV Audio" input and the TV displays the "DENON" logo -- or nothing -- it varies.

No solution found to Problem 2. I could workaround by disabling CEC, but I would prefer to have the convenience of this feature, particularly for my wife who is annoyed by complicated A/V procedures when all she really wants to do is watch Downton Abby.

Problem 3: When playing a movie in the Blu-ray player, the TV will automatically switch to <HDMI1> input, and the Denon with switch to "TV Audio" input -- but there is no sound from the receiver. I can manually switch the Denon to "Blu Ray" input and get sound, but when I pause the movie, the input switches back to "TV Audio"

No solution found to Problem 3, but I suspect is is related to Problem 1. My theory is a handshake issue with the ARC prevents the sound signal from transmitting to the 4520 through the HDMI and the TV will not put out sound from the Blu-ray into the SPDIF because of rights management issues. I tried using a different high speed HDMI cable from a different manufacturer between the 4520 and the TV, but it didn't have any effect on the issues.

I'm looking for new things to try and any ideas on workarounds, settings, and diagnostics. Since all this equipment is new and under warranty, if there is an issue I'd like to get it fixed, but at this point I don't even know which of these devices is the culprit. Please help.

I'm also going to cross post this to the UN65HU8550 owner forum...
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makes me wonder...how many of these things did they manufacture (or should I say over manufacture) that ample inventory is still available?
Well, the inventory seems to have mostly dried up. Most places don't have new ones available, especially not at $999. Personally, I've been waiting a few months for this to hit $999 again and for once it paid off.

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I think a lot of potential buyers were waiting for Atmos. Overnight the 4520 was obsolete. I sold mine off weeks before the Atmos AVRs hit the street. I sold used for $ 1200 locally. 1K is a steal for this AVR new even though lacking Atmos.
Lots of products become "obsolete" overnight. That's a large portion of how CE companies sell new products with planned obsolescence. With the exception of UHD/"4k" and Atmos the 4520CI isn't really obsolete. I don't care about either of those, so to me this is a good current unit even if it is a 2+ year old model.
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Just noticed this 4520 available on AVS classified: Mint Denon 4520 Receiver
Seems like a good deal for anyone looking to purchase a 4520

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Just noticed this 4520 available on AVS classified: Mint Denon 4520 Receiver
Seems like a good deal for anyone looking to purchase a 4520
I'm not so sure about that. You can get a new one with a 3 year warranty for an extra $49.
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I'm not so sure about that. You can get a new one with a 3 year warranty for an extra $49.
Or $888 for a refurb at accessories4less.com with a 1 year warranty (which you can supplement in a few ways).
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Just noticed this 4520 available on AVS classified: Mint Denon 4520 Receiver
Seems like a good deal for anyone looking to purchase a 4520
Well - I'm just the messenger here - but the classified indicates that 31 of the original 36 month warranty is still intact. Looks like there are quite a few purchase options for potential 4520 buyers.

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Well - I'm just the messenger here - but the classified indicates that 31 of the original 36 month warranty is still intact. Looks like there are quite a few purchase options for potential 4520 buyers.
The Denon warranty is transferable?
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