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I think its safe to say that HDMI on a Denon 4520 is notoriously quirky
I think you may have made a mistake in your post. Perhaps you meant to say, "I think its safe to say that HDMI on a Denon 4520 is notoriously quirky for me".

Or perhaps you meant to say, "I think its safe to say that HDMI in general is notoriously quirky".

If you have been following this thread since Day 1, you would see that the 4520 has no more HDMI issues than any other AVR make/model.
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I think you may have made a mistake in your post. Perhaps you meant to say, "I think its safe to say that HDMI on a Denon 4520 is notoriously quirky for me".

Or perhaps you meant to say, "I think its safe to say that HDMI in general is notoriously quirky".

If you have been following this thread since Day 1, you would see that the 4520 has no more HDMI issues than any other AVR make/model.

no I didn't make a mistake


of the 20 or so AVR's I have owned in the last 5-7 years...the 4520 is the only one that has given me the myriad of issues with wonky HDMI hand shake issues


Experiences that are mirrored with what others have described in this thread


While HDMI could be quirky...especially in the early days of implementation...99% of those issues are no longer there and can many times be simply solved by turning HDMI control "off"


That is not the case with the 4520..and again mirrors issues being described here by others.
Even in cases of older( and in some cases more expensive pieces than the 4520) units I had no such issues


I have been following this thread for more than a year...as I have of the other manufacturers of AVR's and pre/pros that I either owned or was interested in buying


I would disagree with you on the frequency of reported HDMI handshake issues in those threads vs this one


but again...just my experience and the reading of others


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I for one was not impressed with Panurgy's service...but I wont go into that page long ordeal
as for the BB service plan
I have been lucky probably because they knew I was a regular customer at a particular store


if you read the fine print
They are not obligated to give you anything more..value wise...than what you had invested


However...as I said before I have been lucky
I once bought an Onkyo receiver for 65% off retail at Magnolia..it failed a couple of times(HDMI board)
On the third attempt they gave me full MSRP back in store credit towards another AVR....so $700 extra in my favor that I didn't spend in the first place


However...don't count on that as the black and white on the agreement specifies what their obligation is


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Thanks Warren, I really did know what the black & white was but I was hoping for more stories like yours that they matched the MSRP. Thanks for the reply - I don't have my hopes up but hopefully they will get a replacement board.But I'm grateful for the Panurgy feedback also.
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Just so I'm clear - you have your sub connected to Sub1 and the DefTech subs y-split out from Sub2, correct?

If so, this is the best way you could do it - treating both DefTech "subs"* as one. *Although an 8" driver can barely be called a subwoofer.

If I was you, I'd just hook up the mains as full range and forget about trying to use the DefTech "subs" as subs.
Alan, do you think there is any benefit of running the L/R pre-outs to the "LFE" of the Def Techs?
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Alan, do you think there is any benefit of running the L/R pre-outs to the "LFE" of the Def Techs?
What do you know about the ability of the inputs to accept other than a normal LFE signal range? Just playing devil's advocate since I don't consider the 8" woofers in those speakers as LFE worthy let alone as subs...
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What do you know about the ability of the inputs to accept other than a normal LFE signal range? Just playing devil's advocate since I don't consider the 8" woofers in those speakers as LFE worthy let alone as subs...
I do notice a change in bass tone when the cable is connected and disconnected or running one connected and the other not, it is deeper. I don't know if the onboard crossovers will separate a full range signal going to the LFE input. I suppose, I could unplug the banana plugs and see what happens? Or is that Inadvisable?

Supposedly, they can go down to 19hz. The driver itself is the same that comes with the ProCinema 800 system. I know this because Def Tech sent me new subs to replace the originals, who's foam was degraded. The specs are here: http://www.definitivetech.com/products/bp2006tl

No, 8" woofers will not perform like a set of 15" woofers, I'm not expecting them to. Nor will the Polk PSW505. As for controls on the speakers themselves, there is just a fan control. Which wouldn't matter, the AVR controls the frequencies.

I'm trying to maximize what I have.
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Hoping you 4ohm speaker and 4520 owners could chime in. I recently purchased a Marantz 7008, still within the return period. After the purchase I noticed the Marantz does not "officially" support 4ohm speakers which I currently have... Martin Logan 50xt, 40's and 2 pairs for motions 15's. After digging around and reading up on the 4520 (which is still available for about the same price as I paid for the 7008) I am wondering if that is a more optimal receiver for my setup. Thoughts?
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Hoping you 4ohm speaker and 4520 owners could chime in. I recently purchased a Marantz 7008, still within the return period. After the purchase I noticed the Marantz does not "officially" support 4ohm speakers which I currently have... Martin Logan 50xt, 40's and 2 pairs for motions 15's. After digging around and reading up on the 4520 (which is still available for about the same price as I paid for the 7008) I am wondering if that is a more optimal receiver for my setup. Thoughts?
While I have no reason to think you will have a problem with your Marantz ( get a cooling fan off Ebay - see back a few pages ), I have 11 Martin Logan Motion series speakers hooked up to my 4520, with a 2 channel Emotiva XPA 200 amp running the front L & R. No problems. With 9 speakers on the 4520 alone - no problems. My room is 23' x 17' 6" x 11' tall, and very dampened sound wise. Plays cleanly to ear damaging levels.
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Alan, do you think there is any benefit of running the L/R pre-outs to the "LFE" of the Def Techs?
You can do that *and* keep the speaker connectors active on the AVR? If so, I didn't know that.

I wouldn't try to do anything with those DefTech subs unless you have the ability to measure your response....do you?

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You can do that *and* keep the speaker connectors active on the AVR? If so, I didn't know that.

I wouldn't try to do anything with those DefTech subs unless you have the ability to measure your response....do you?
I have tried running the Center (80hz) preout to the Def Tech CLR2003 LFE input, unplugged the speaker banana plugs, and the signal to the woofer was VERY faint. I had to turn the gain on the speaker all of the way up to hear anything. So, using the L/R preouts, in this application, is futile.

What's the difference between the LFE signal being sent and the full range signal that makes the full range so quiet? Is the LFE signal a higher voltage? The preout section sends a 2v signal to an external amp, right? I was hoping the internal amp of the Def Techs would treat that signal just like a [stereo] power amp would.
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I have tried running the Center (80hz) preout to the Def Tech CLR2003 LFE input, unplugged the speaker banana plugs, and the signal to the woofer was VERY faint. I had to turn the gain on the speaker all of the way up to hear anything. So, using the L/R preouts, in this application, is futile.

What's the difference between the LFE signal being sent and the full range signal that makes the full range so quiet? Is the LFE signal a higher voltage? The preout section sends a 2v signal to an external amp, right? I was hoping the internal amp of the Def Techs would treat that signal just like a [stereo] power amp would.
Depends on the signal you are feeding the center channel. The center channel will receive any low frequency signal that is present in both the left and right channels, assuming you are outputting in something like PLII Cinema mode. By virtue of the 80Hz crossover, the low frequencies are diverted to the sub channel. So the center pre-out really doesn't have any bass to speak of when you take the pre-out signal--it's all going to the sub.

Try switching the center to "Large" and re-run the test. Of course, you would normally not run the center as large, so I don't know what the test would prove.
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Just curious.

Any body found an inexpensive way to add somewhat of an atmos system with the 4520.

Im not making the big jump atleast until 9.2.6... If that even happens. Ok, 7.2 6 then... Not to mention the other 2 formats. Dts:x. I think will be great to have too. So about 2 yrs away maybe. Ive heard atmos a b.b. But damn, I want it now. Just cant dish out that much, so quickly....

And I know anything that got added to the 4520 would'nt be, or could'nt that good. But theres got to be a way to cheat a bit. Maybe not.....
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Just curious.

Any body found an inexpensive way to add somewhat of an atmos system with the 4520.

Im not making the big jump atleast until 9.2.6... If that even happens. Ok, 7.2 6 then... Not to mention the other 2 formats. Dts:x. I think will be great to have too. So about 2 yrs away maybe. Ive heard atmos a b.b. But damn, I want it now. Just cant dish out that much, so quickly....

And I know anything that got added to the 4520 would'nt be, or could'nt that good. But theres got to be a way to cheat a bit. Maybe not.....
Harry, Atmos requires decoding. The 4520 does not have the logic to decode Atmos, so it will never support it.
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Try switching the center to "Large" and re-run the test. Of course, you would normally not run the center as large, so I don't know what the test would prove.
I put the mains & center on "Large", watching a Dolby Digital broadcast (Top Gear), unplugged one of the banana plugs, there definitely was more sound going to the internal powered amp now, voices were very muffled and distant, then there was an explosion right in my ear with the gain at about 2 o'clock!!! I replayed the scene, there was a fair amount of excursion from the "sub". So this tells me that there is an internal crossover.

What do you think about not running Sub 2 to the mains, then setting the mains and center to "small" @ 40hz while running LRC preouts to them? Would I need to run Audyssey again after making these changes? I'm quite happy with the room correction. I'm guessing the SubEQ needs to be processed again.

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I put the mains & center on "Large", watching a Dolby Digital broadcast (Top Gear), unplugged one of the banana plugs, there definitely was more sound going to the internal powered amp now, voices were very muffled and distant, then there was an explosion right in my ear with the gain at about 2 o'clock!!! I replayed the scene, there was a fair amount of excursion from the "sub". So this tells me that there is an internal crossover.

What do you think about not running Sub 2 to the mains, then setting the mains and center to "small" @ 40hz while running LRC preouts to them? Would I need to run Audyssey again after making these changes? I'm quite happy with the room correction. I'm guessing the SubEQ needs to be processed again.

I actually find that I prefer the settings that Audyssey makes....LCR as large and the surrounds as small
I am speaking to the 8801 I have in the main listening room
I am sure the same thing would apply to the 4520 should I move it in that room
But anyway
I hear more detail leaving the LCR speakers at large
I have B&W CM10's as my right left and they definitely benefitted....especially for 2 channel audio listening


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I actually find that I prefer the settings that Audyssey makes....LCR as large and the surrounds as small
I am speaking to the 8801 I have in the main listening room
I am sure the same thing would apply to the 4520 should I move it in that room
But anyway
I hear more detail leaving the LCR speakers at large
I have B&W CM10's as my right left and they definitely benefitted....especially for 2 channel audio listening


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FWIW while you may get those settings as a result from running Audyssey, if left up to Audyssey, it wouldn't set your mains to large when a sub is present in the system, that's a decision of the avr manufacturer; if it were up to Audyssey they'd always set your speakers to small....at least that's what the Audyssey dude said a while back https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries...he-same-thing-
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FWIW while you may get those settings as a result from running Audyssey, if left up to Audyssey, it wouldn't set your mains to large when a sub is present in the system, that's a decision of the avr manufacturer; if it were up to Audyssey they'd always set your speakers to small....at least that's what the Audyssey dude said a while back https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries...he-same-thing-
Not really. Audyssey simply measures your speaker's "F3" value, the frequency at which output is down 3dB, and reports this value to the AVR at the end of the calibration. The AVR then sets the speaker to Large if the F3 value is low enough, or Small with a crossover if it isn't. Most experts recommend changing any speaker to Small regardless of its capabilities.
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Austin, I did. No response for a few days. Could be cuz the model number, but also the threads are dated some.
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Austin, I did. No response for a few days. Could be cuz the model number, but also the threads are dated some.
Did you try this site: http://firmware.denon.eu/index.php

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