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Do you have an android device?
iPhone only.

So is that a "...no, it won't work that way using the 4520's remote"? If so, I suppose I'll have to finally start looking into a universal remote.
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^ Give DeRemote a try. That's what is usually recommended for iOS.
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iPhone only.

So is that a "...no, it won't work that way using the 4520's remote"? If so, I suppose I'll have to finally start looking into a universal remote.
I haven't tried to program my Denon remote as I don't use it very much, I mainly use a Harmony and occasionally my android phone and I don't change sub level often enough to look into something like that since its fairly easy to access via setup in any case. I believe you should be able to program it for that with one of the programmable presets IIRC. @batpig probably can confirm or not better than most....
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Stand by

Hi all lost my CD how do you turn off stand by, i do not want to see the red light that it tells me it is in stand by
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Hi all lost my CD how do you turn off stand by, i do not want to see the red light that it tells me it is in stand by
The red ring remains illuminated it you set the network option to "Always On". Change it to "Off in Standby" to turn the red ring off.
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Sorry i guess i did not say it right, how do you kill all power when you turn it off.
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Sorry i guess i did not say it right, how do you kill all power when you turn it off.
Your question still is not clear. What do you think is still on when you turn the power off? Do you mean the other zones?
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Sorry i guess i did not say it right, how do you kill all power when you turn it off.
The only way to truly power-off the AVR is to unplug it from the wall. Modern AVRs will all go into "standby" when you turn off the power (whether via the remote or power button on the unit itself). However, the power draw in standby is negligible and most folks don't worry too much over it...I know I don't.

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^ Give DeRemote a try. That's what is usually recommended for iOS.
Will deremote do all 11 channel levels on the 4520? Will it allow me to switch between NEO:X, Audyssey DSX, etc?
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Will deremote do all 11 channel levels on the 4520? Will it allow me to switch between NEO:X, Audyssey DSX, etc?

It will certainly allow you to switch formats, i.e. Neo X, DSX, etc. I have 9 channels connected and it will adjust each channel level - I assume it will adjust 11 if thats what you have connected to the AVR.

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Hello all, I am new to this forum. Like a few others on here I had a $500 budget and was looking at a 2100. I ended up purchasing a refurbished 4520, which will be replacing a 2808. I hope I don't end up with someone else's problem. Has there been many problems with these units or the refurbs?
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Hello all, I am new to this forum. Like a few others on here I had a $500 budget and was looking at a 2100. I ended up purchasing a refurbished 4520, which will be replacing a 2808. I hope I don't end up with someone else's problem. Has there been many problems with these units or the refurbs?
I've had a 4520 refurb since last Summer and mine has been fine.

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I've had a 4520 refurb since last Summer and mine has been fine.

Good to here! I hope I don't have any problems.
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Hi guys,
Can I use Denon 4520 as an amp considering it has 9 channels of amplification, rated at 150W/ch (8 ohms, 0.05% THD)?
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Can I use Denon 4520 as an amp considering it has 9 channels of amplification, rated at 150W/ch (8 ohms, 0.05% THD)?
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You can -- although you'll only be able to use 7 of the 9 amps in this role since there are only 7.1 external analog inputs -- but it seems sort of a waste of resources.
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Can I use Denon 4520 as an amp considering it has 9 channels of amplification, rated at 150W/ch (8 ohms, 0.05% THD)?
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FYI, it's 108.8 W/ch (8 ohms, 0.10% THD) with 7 channels driven
Per Sound and Vision magazine bench test results.
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FYI, it's 108.8 W/ch (8 ohms, 0.10% THD) with 7 channels driven
Per Sound and Vision magazine bench test results.
And how often does anyone have all channels driven to maximum specially the surround channels? The reason it is less then 150 watts per ch combined is a limitation of driving all channels simultaneously based on power supply capacity.

Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 172.6 watts
1% distortion at 190.7 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 121.8 watts
1% distortion at 145.3 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 108.8 watts
1% distortion at 121.7 watts

From my earlier post, same day the review was released online.
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And how often does anyone have all channels driven to maximum specially the surround channels? The reason it is less then 150 watts per ch combined is a limitation of driving all channels simultaneously based on power supply capacity.
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true...but thats like telling a guy he doesnt really need a V8..when the V6 is really all that is needed 99% of the time

and more closely related is how many times the reference of "made in Japan" being superior to "made in China" on the back of the AVR

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true...but thats like telling a guy he doesnt really need a V8..when the V6 is really all that is needed 99% of the time

and more closely related is how many times the reference of "made in Japan" being superior to "made in China" on the back of the AVR

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How often are you towing something massive that you need a big engine's continuous torque would be the logical rebuttal.
But as you say some people treasure that extra 2-3 db of power to boost their egos, rather then base it on normal playback usage.

As for the discussions involving made in Japan vs China, the quality of high end AV gear shouldn't be based on country of origin, rather it should be a discussion of vendors Q&A, failure rate, and overall attention to perfecting the design instead of saving money. I liked the 4520CI over the 4311CI based on the internal hardware design was one of the first attractions, then waited for prices to be more competitive. Its a great receiver to hold you over while all the new standards fall into place.

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And how often does anyone have all channels driven to maximum specially the surround channels? The reason it is less then 150 watts per ch combined is a limitation of driving all channels simultaneously based on power supply capacity.

Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 172.6 watts
1% distortion at 190.7 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 121.8 watts
1% distortion at 145.3 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 108.8 watts
1% distortion at 121.7 watts

From my earlier post, same day the review was released online.
A FYI is just that.
That review was a while back and I'm just giving the info.

Use it as you want.
Thanks for posting the original review back when it first came out.

I subscribe to S&V and read it also.

I just got a B&K Ref 7250 Series II amp and will incorporate it into my system soon.
I don't think I "need" it for my modest 5.1 system but I will check it out.
Enjoy the music and audio.
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And how often does anyone have all channels driven to maximum specially the surround channels? The reason it is less then 150 watts per ch combined is a limitation of driving all channels simultaneously based on power supply capacity.

Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 172.6 watts
1% distortion at 190.7 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 121.8 watts
1% distortion at 145.3 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 108.8 watts
1% distortion at 121.7 watts

From my earlier post, same day the review was released online.

Never. Even with 9 channels I ran out of hearing ( and guests threw things at me to turn it down ) before I ran out of power / volume. Then I added 2 more speakers for a total of 11, and an Emotiva 150 watt a channel x 2 amp for the main L & R speakers.

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How often are you towing something massive that you need a big engine's continuous torque would be the logical rebuttal.
But as you say some people treasure that extra 2-3 db of power to boost their egos, rather then base it on normal playback usage.

As for the discussions involving made in Japan vs China, the quality of high end AV gear shouldn't be based on country of origin, rather it should be a discussion of vendors Q&A, failure rate, and overall attention to perfecting the design instead of saving money. I liked the 4520CI over the 4311CI based on the internal hardware design was one of the first attractions, then waited for prices to be more competitive. Its a great receiver to hold you over while all the new standards fall into place.

Cheers
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you are preaching to the choir!!..

I for one bought a V8 over a V6 principally because it came with a better wheel and trim package as part of the engine upgrade
How often would I ever benefit from the small amount of power difference....likely never
It does sound better than the V6 though...

In regard to the Japan v. China build issue
How many times have you seen in AVS( including many times in this thread) where people use that as some of superiority factor
I have owned many AVR's that could outbench the 4520...and a few of them, the Onkyos, were made in China

Not sure I ever "realized" the 20-30WPC( with 5-7 driven) difference...but if you are driven by data it is not a minus

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Just a side bar here, but I'm curious as to which Onkyos are made in China. I've had 2 flagships and they were both made in Malaysia. Have they moved away from their Malaysia production?
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Never. Even with 9 channels I ran out of hearing ( and guests threw things at me to turn it down ) before I ran out of power / volume. Then I added 2 more speakers for a total of 11, and an Emotiva 150 watt a channel x 2 amp for the main L & R speakers.
Yep, me too. My hearing gives out before the 4520 and my speakers do. I find it about -10 for watching movies with my subs hotter then running reference with subs calibrated. Also my hearing is not as good as it used to be with many years or car audio spl competition.
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My second 4520CI refurb came Monday and I am happy to report 0 issues.

Last night, I added a Project Debut to the mix. I have to turn the volume up about 10 over my digital sources for the same db, but it sounds great.
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Yep, me too. My hearing gives out before the 4520 and my speakers do. I find it about -10 for watching movies with my subs hotter then running reference with subs calibrated. Also my hearing is not as good as it used to be with many years or car audio spl competition.
My wife says I'm losing my hearing - from too loud movie sound tracks in our theater. Of course, if true, that will only mean I will need to crank action movies even louder !
It's a vicious cycle ( but fun ) !


With most Blu Ray movies in my room the way it is currently calibrated, I use a setting around -5. And I too have my subs cranked up a bit from the calibrated setting. Sounds like tanks are really rolling through my theater watching Fury !!

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Just a side bar here, but I'm curious as to which Onkyos are made in China. I've had 2 flagships and they were both made in Malaysia. Have they moved away from their Malaysia production?
sorry..I may have needed to be more accurate

To my knowledge all of the Onkyo's and all but a very few D&M products are made in Malaysia

But as has been stated before...its really not relevant

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sorry..I may have needed to be more accurate

To my knowledge all of the Onkyo's and all but a very few D&M products are made in Malaysia

But as has been stated before...its really not relevant

Warren

And it is relevant to some of us. I would rather not support China's economy when I can avoid it. I don't think it's a quality issue so much as a human rights issue in a regime that treats human life so cheaply. Also they steal technology among other things.

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