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Not sure I understand the concept of "stealing technology" when these are branded items from other countries
It's in reference to knock offs of products, among other things. There have been lots of cases where the factory that makes product A for company XYZ will make product B for company ABC and the 2 products are pretty much identical other than the name stamped on the front panel - that doesn't happen by mistake. Land Rover is currently in the process of suing a Chinese company for making a knock-off of the Range Rover Evoque that looks pretty much identical and was launched on the same day. One could probably spend a number of days coming up with long lists of examples. The problem is largely that the Chinese government has no respect for things like copyrights.
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It's in reference to knock offs of products, among other things. There have been lots of cases where the factory that makes product A for company XYZ will make product B for company ABC and the 2 products are pretty much identical other than the name stamped on the front panel - that doesn't happen by mistake. Land Rover is currently in the process of suing a Chinese company for making a knock-off of the Range Rover Evoque that looks pretty much identical and was launched on the same day. One could probably spend a number of days coming up with long lists of examples. The problem is largely that the Chinese government has no respect for things like copyrights.
in the context of electronics..and even bringing to to the level of this thread..do you know of any counterfeit cases where D&M( or even their the other Asian A/V manufacturers who do 99% of their manufacturing there) is involved?
I dont know the specifics you mention of the Range Rover situation...though in the context of the current discussion...was Range Rover manufacturing cars there?

While I understand your point/stance and can understand when people say they want A/V built in North America

In the context of the Asians..its clearly a $$ thing and D&M is not lighting the world on fire with their financials now...like Pioneer was not

So..if anything I see more "Chinese" invasion
I dont think 99.9% of the market cares

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interesting
if you use that idea as your litmus test for buying, your selections would have to be extremely impacted in regard to electronics...
Not sure I understand the concept of "stealing technology" when these are branded items from other countries

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Yes my selections would be extremely impacted. That is why you'll notice I said, "When I can avoid it." I do own several items made in China. But I suppose this topic is more suited to some other thread on some other forum.
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I use this receiver as my HDMI switcher. With my PC, I am no longer able to use GPU Scaling on my Nvidia graphics card, and I can only assume the Denon is the culprit since it used to work with my previous switcher. Has anyone gotten this to work or does anyone have a fix?
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My wife says I'm losing my hearing - from too loud movie sound tracks in our theater. Of course, if true, that will only mean I will need to crank action movies even louder !
It's a vicious cycle ( but fun ) !


With most Blu Ray movies in my room the way it is currently calibrated, I use a setting around -5. And I too have my subs cranked up a bit from the calibrated setting. Sounds like tanks are really rolling through my theater watching Fury !!



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My wife says I'm losing my hearing - from too loud movie sound tracks in our theater. Of course, if true, that will only mean I will need to crank action movies even louder !
It's a vicious cycle ( but fun ) !


With most Blu Ray movies in my room the way it is currently calibrated, I use a setting around -5. And I too have my subs cranked up a bit from the calibrated setting. Sounds like tanks are really rolling through my theater watching Fury !!
Fury was awesome. I can't wait to build a dedicated sealed space. Because I'm in a open living room it is so hard to get that impact and pressurized feeling. I have my 2 martycubes 2 infinity near field 12's, and now my 4 bass shakers. Between all that it really make me smile but a lot is wasted trying to pressurize the whole house.
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I think my 4520 is near the end of its life. It's less than 2 years. It sometimes, says headphone is plugged in, then become no sound, sometimes, it says calibration microphone is plugged in and menu pops up with no sound as well. But I have nothing plug in. Very annoying. I did compressed air trick, doesn't help. Only thing can temporary resolve the problem is by beating hard on the front or top, or even lift it like 1 inch and drop it hard on table, then it will recovery for 2 days...some connector inside or even some soldering joints are bad I guess.

Any way, quite disappointed with it's build quality, considering buying Marantz 7009 as replacement. It's almost at same price, but likely a down grade? What else to look at? Any suggestion? I like 4520 sound though, so I hope the next AVR is at least equal sounding or a bit better.
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I think my 4520 is near the end of its life. It's less than 2 years. It sometimes, says headphone is plugged in, then become no sound, sometimes, it says calibration microphone is plugged in and menu pops up with no sound as well. But I have nothing plug in. Very annoying. I did compressed air trick, doesn't help. Only thing can temporary resolve the problem is by beating hard on the front or top, or even lift it like 1 inch and drop it hard on table, then it will recovery for 2 days...some connector inside or even some soldering joints are bad I guess.

Any way, quite disappointed with it's build quality, considering buying Marantz 7009 as replacement. It's almost at same price, but likely a down grade? What else to look at? Any suggestion? I like 4520 sound though, so I hope the next AVR is at least equal sounding or a bit better.
The 4520 has a 3 year warranty. If you bought a refurb that may not be the case. If you do have warranty left, I'd stop dropping it and make a claim. Too bad about your experience though, there certainly does seem to be a percentage of early failures.
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I think my 4520 is near the end of its life. It's less than 2 years. It sometimes, says headphone is plugged in, then become no sound, sometimes, it says calibration microphone is plugged in and menu pops up with no sound as well. But I have nothing plug in. Very annoying. I did compressed air trick, doesn't help. Only thing can temporary resolve the problem is by beating hard on the front or top, or even lift it like 1 inch and drop it hard on table, then it will recovery for 2 days...some connector inside or even some soldering joints are bad I guess.

Any way, quite disappointed with it's build quality, considering buying Marantz 7009 as replacement. It's almost at same price, but likely a down grade? What else to look at? Any suggestion? I like 4520 sound though, so I hope the next AVR is at least equal sounding or a bit better.
The symptoms you describe are the same as what I experienced with a 4520. First, the headphone jack stopped working, which I could live with, since I rarely use headphones. Second, the connection for the Audyssey calibration mic became completely unresponsive, meaning I could no longer perform calibrations. This, of course, was a show-stopper. I believe both the headphone jack and the Audyssey mic connection are on the same circuit board.

I was able to return the unit to the seller for a replacement.
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I think my 4520 is near the end of its life. It's less than 2 years. It sometimes, says headphone is plugged in, then become no sound, sometimes, it says calibration microphone is plugged in and menu pops up with no sound as well. But I have nothing plug in. Very annoying. I did compressed air trick, doesn't help. Only thing can temporary resolve the problem is by beating hard on the front or top, or even lift it like 1 inch and drop it hard on table, then it will recovery for 2 days...some connector inside or even some soldering joints are bad I guess.

Any way, quite disappointed with it's build quality, considering buying Marantz 7009 as replacement. It's almost at same price, but likely a down grade? What else to look at? Any suggestion? I like 4520 sound though, so I hope the next AVR is at least equal sounding or a bit better.
Which CC did you use to buy it?

I know certain CC's (like a few AMEX cards) give you an additional year of warranty on electronics. I'm not sure if it applies to refurbished units but its worth giving it a try. This is assuming that your unit is refurbished and has no warranty left.

I'm strongly considering getting a refurb 4520CI myself for 800 bucks. Definitely going to run a fan or two on top to keep it cool.
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Which CC did you use to buy it?

I know certain CC's (like a few AMEX cards) give you an additional year of warranty on electronics. I'm not sure if it applies to refurbished units but its worth giving it a try. This is assuming that your unit is refurbished and has no warranty left.

I'm strongly considering getting a refurb 4520CI myself for 800 bucks. Definitely going to run a fan or two on top to keep it cool.

The AMEX additional year of warranty saved me once. BTW, I'm loving the cooling fan - what's not to like? It has to help my 4520 run cooler and last longer.


I'm pretty sure dropping or banging a receiver to get it to work is not a long term strategy.

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Before I tried my two refurbs I made sure I had a cc with the extra year of coverage just in case (Visa Signature card)....but first one DOA and second died after a bit more than 30 days so I went new....sure hope I've got one with some legs now.
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