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Does this clipping happen to all the other RCA multichannel pre-outs?
Most likely... If you had the channel trim at +10dB it would likely clip at Reference with a 0dBFS signal or if you have the channel trim at 0dB it would likely clip at +10dB above Reference. However, most people run their speakers small and most of the energy tends to be low frequency, so that doesn't seem too likely to actually happen but it would be possible.
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Most likely... If you had the channel trim at +10dB it would likely clip at Reference with a 0dBFS signal or if you have the channel trim at 0dB it would likely clip at +10dB above Reference. However, most people run their speakers small and most of the energy tends to be low frequency, so that doesn't seem too likely to actually happen but it would be possible.
But then, your subwoofer(s) wouldn't be clipping? ...The low frequencies from all the other channels plus the LFE channel.
...Like from an 11.2-channel setup.
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But then, your subwoofer(s) wouldn't be clipping? ...The low frequencies from all the other channels plus the LFE channel.
...Like from an 11.2-channel setup.
Yes, your subwoofer is likely to clip first. I'm not sure if the extra synthesized channels in a 9.x or 11.x config really have any low frequency energy to contribute to the subwoofer through bass management. However, a 7.1 setup certainly can route a lot of bass to the sub(s) already.
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Yes, your subwoofer is likely to clip first. I'm not sure if the extra synthesized channels in a 9.x or 11.x config really have any low frequency energy to contribute to the subwoofer through bass management. However, a 7.1 setup certainly can route a lot of bass to the sub(s) already.
Audyssey DSX Wide and Height channels. ...There must be some bass in those channels too, no?

* Or make that 7.2.4 ... Dolby Atmos setup. ...The overhead surrounds are full range channels.
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Audyssey DSX Wide and Height channels. ...There must be some bass in those channels too, no?
I'm not sure. It depends how they're synthesized.

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* Or make that 7.2.4 ... Dolby Atmos setup. ...The overhead surrounds are full range channels.
Well no one with a 4520CI has to worry about that.
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1. You're right; we would have to measure each Blu-ray flick to see what kind of bass is in those DSX channels.

2. True, this is the 4520, not the 7200. ...But I was still mentioning to keep with the topic @ hand; low frequencies' clipping.
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Fortunately the bass frequencies are better tolerated than higher up.

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Yes it will have full warranty. For that kind of money for a flag ship receiver go for it. Hell you cam sell it on e-bay and make money.
Ended up picking it up, $680 plus tax. Unit looks flawless, they lost the original remote and mic so they gave me new ones from a X4100, not sure if the remote is lacking any features the original one had. It was confirmed to have the 3YR warranty, I have 15 day return period to test it out but at that price I will probably keep it.

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Ended up picking it up, $680 plus tax. Unit looks flawless, they lost the original remote and mic so they gave me new ones from a X4100, not sure if the remote is lacking any features the original one had. It was confirmed to have the 3YR warranty, I have 15 day return period to test it out but at that price I will probably keep it.

Ran Audyssey after hooking everything up and it sounds substantially better than the Yamaha V-867 I had previously been using. Popped in Fury and watched the tank battle scene, the artillery shells sounded phenominal whipping by my head, definitely adds a whole new level of depth and detail. One thing I did notice was the volume seems much quieter compared to the yamaha with YPAO, I would normally watch an action Bluray at -15 on the Yammy(90WPC), with the Denon I needed to crank it up to -8db to get a similar experience. I do prefer it loud compared the average listener but -8db seems excessive.
One thing I would check is make sure you don't have "Dynamic Volume" engaged...I was disappointed in my AVR-4311ci at first and when I turn DV off it was like a tremendous relief and the sound was much fuller.

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One thing I would check is make sure you don't have "Dynamic Volume" engaged...I was disappointed in my AVR-4311ci at first and when I turn DV off it was like a tremendous relief and the sound was much fuller.

Correct - I believe that's on by default. Turn it off, and check the other settings in the audio menu while you are there.

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Correct - I believe that's on by default. Turn it off, and check the other settings in the audio menu while you are there.
Also, if you haven't, I would do a microprocessor reset before setting it up.

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I'm expecting delivery of my 4520 on Wednesday.

Should I also do a microprocessor reset and, if so, why?

Yippee-ki-yay...
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If it's brand new, no...if it's refurb, demo or used, yes. It wipes out any old settings that may have been set by the previous owner and gives you a known starting point.

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Also, if you haven't, I would do a microprocessor reset before setting it up.
Will do that right now, I also just found this writeup for Audyssey setup, when I did the intial setup i clicked calculate after the 3rd seat becuase that was the only ones I cared about. Will reset proccesor and redo audyssey with all seats. All seating posistions at ear level correct? (4,5,6?)

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Will do that right now, I also just found this writeup for Audyssey setup, when I did the intial setup i clicked calculate after the 3rd seat becuase that was the only ones I cared about. Will reset proccesor and redo audyssey with all seats. All seating posistions at ear level correct? (4,5,6?)

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Remember you are't literally measuring each "seating position" but rather you are sampling the "listening bubble" to inform the correction algorithm about the distribution of acoustical problems. So even if you only have one seat then multiple measurements will feed more data and let Audyssey determine which are "real" problems that deserve fixing and which problems only exist in a tiny point in space and not worth expending resources trying to correct. By the same token, just because you have a "seat" 10 feet to the left doesn't mean you should ever put the microphone there because it will be so far off axis.

So instead of "seats", start with the sweet spot and then measure the rest of the points around it... some to the left, some to the right, some a bit in front, maybe one or two a bit behind. Approximately ear level but a few inches of vertical variation won't hurt (unless you sit with your head gripped in a vice at a precise height while listening). The wider the mic spacing, the more you will get "many good seats" insted of "one great seat"... so you can focus your measurements on a smaller bubble to optimize the sweet spot (e.g. 2-3 ft diameter) or spread them out a bit more to widen the happy place.

With respect to the volume question, the number on the digital display is hard to compare across models. Different calibration settings (there was a big shoot out thread run by Archaea with multiple processors and you would be shocked at the variation in calibrated volume!) and different processing settings (DRC, Dynamic Volume, etc) will have a big impact. Plus, even if everything was perfect in terms of SPL, distortion sounds louder, so the amps/build of the 4520 and the XT32 room correction may let you crank it up louder (objectively) without it sounding louder (subjectively).

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I'd use all 8 positions for Audyssey. Don't necessarily have to be literally the seats themselves. The Audyssey thread here is a good source "Official" Audyssey thread (FAQ in post #51779)

You can also save each calculation with your computer for later reinstallation should you want to....
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Thanks for all the tips and info, its appreciated. I redid everything along with the full reset, and no dynamic volume. Seems to of helped . I also did a network check to see If a firmware update is available but it just hangs in an endless checking for update loop.

Batpig I believe you are fimiliar with the Energy RC line, I have a few questions about the crossover settings Audyssey came up with, if you could visit the energy thread when you get a chance.
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Thanks for all the tips and info, its appreciated. I redid everything along with the full reset, and no dynamic volume. Seems to of helped . I also did a network check to see If a firmware update is available but it just hangs in an endless checking for update loop.

Batpig I believe you are fimiliar with the Energy RC line, I have a few questions about the crossover settings Audyssey came up with, if you could visit the energy thread when you get a chance.
Just check the firmware version number, but betting you probably already have the latest version....see post 4 of this thread.
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