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post #12241 of 12264 Old 05-10-2015, 12:48 PM
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Advising someone to take apart their Denon when it never worked for you seems kind of risky. Advising them to do so with the Denon powered up and there are DEADLY VOLTAGES is bad advice.
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Whatever, I stand by my statement regarding your recent posts. Someone could get electrocuted.
I don't see where @doognam was recommending working on the internals while powered up, more a warning; in any case ppasteur seems to be able to handle that part. I was thinking more along the lines doognam was a repair tech myself but he never said that as far as I can remember either. I would like to know where he obtained some of the specific knowledge about the board connections and related issues, though. If you're not comfortable opening a unit like this, that's fine, I think most of us aren't and besides wouldn't have a clue as to what to do anyways and hopefully if someone did open one up no one's stupid enough to invite electrocution while doing so (but there's always Darwinism ).
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Whatever, I stand by my statement regarding your recent posts. Someone could get electrocuted.

Was that your statement?
Your statement was "Advising them to do so with the Denon powered up and there are DEADLY VOLTAGES is bad advice." which, very clearly, to those without reading or understanding disability means completely different to "Someone could get electrocuted". It also assumes that I gave an advice - in fact I gave a WARNING!!

Even if we assume that is was so, it would not mean that the advice was bad. The precondition of all my advices is the person's competencies/capabilities. The person must determine that himself/herself. It's not for me to determine that.

A stupid person can get electrocuted anytime it wishes to regardless of any good or bad advice. No good advice can be given to any adult with intellectual disability, I would imagine. It would need some specialist care of a guardian.

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OK, guys, time to cool down. I have reported this exchange to the moderators.
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OK, guys, time to cool down. I have reported this exchange to the moderators.
Why would you report this mild exchange? That's just a bit too nannyish....
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Why would you report this mild exchange? That's just a bit too nannyish....

The reason/motivation could be that of an incident in the Audessy thread where he was ... for trying to/ or "flaming" me for my incomplete knowledge of all acceptable/accepted Audessy calibration practices; specifically that of "accepted practice of manually adjusting Audessy-calibrated sub distances for better results".
I really did not know before then that that was one accepted practice before I contributed to the thread my desperate experiment to overcome some of the objectionable sound artefacts that Audessy made in my own, perhaps unique, set up.

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Hey, for those with moms still alive, or married with kids, how did you celebrate Mother's Day with them?

I made breakfast for our family, and ended up buying take out dinner.

Trying to get OT discussion, the heavy discussion here kinda degraded too much.

Remember, it's just a web forum, people read advice and then make their own informed choices,
All members should have read the TOS, basically reader beware, the advice given here is just that, free advice.


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The reason/motivation could be that of an incident in the Audessy thread where he was ... for trying to/ or "flaming" me for my incomplete knowledge of all acceptable/accepted Audessy calibration practices; specifically that of "accepted practice of manually adjusting Audessy-calibrated sub distances for better results".
I really did not know before then that that was one accepted practice before I contributed to the thread my desperate experiment to overcome some of the objectionable sound artefacts that Audessy made in my own, perhaps unique, set up.
Let's be clear. We had an exchange in the Audyssey thread because you were too lazy to avail yourself of the wealth of information in that thread (the excellent FAQ, for example). Several other posters agreed with me at the time.

Today, I am simply offended by the unprofessional exchanges between you and Audio4life, which is why I asked you to stop. There is no connection between the two incidents, and to imply that I harbor any resentment towards you would be false. Let's move on.
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Let's be clear. We had an exchange in the Audyssey thread because you were too lazy to avail yourself of the wealth of information in that thread (the excellent FAQ, for example). Several other posters agreed with me at the time.

Today, I am simply offended by the unprofessional exchanges between you and Audio4life, which is why I asked you to stop. There is no connection between the two incidents, and to imply that I harbor any resentment towards you would be false. Let's move on.
I admit to being lazy to accept second-hand beliefs. I admit not to know all your scientific contributions, too.

The "unprofessional exchange" with Audio4life is all there for everyone to see. I think that it is relatively mild. I am sorry that you are offended.

My aim in the exchange was to clarify with Audio4life that he was mis-understanding, mis-interpreting, or mis-representing what I contributed. I guess I was not succeeding with this aim, so I simply tried to make sense as to why.

Anyway, let's move on. I wish everyone all the best in this forum.

Also, please still feel free to ask me any technical information about the 4520. I may be able to help but, of course, only you should be responsible for your actions.

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I'll go ahead and say that ANYONE who wants to take the adventurous step of trying to fix an issue on the 4520 should NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TINKER UNDER THE HOOD WHILE THE UNIT IS PLUGGED IN. This is something that doognam should be repeating instead of suggesting leaving the cover off while it's running in case it acts up again, or to point out which harnesses may have house voltage.

As we don't know your skill level at trouble shooting electronics and such, it's best to only undertake what Doognam so quickly suggests if you have more than a basic understanding of electricity. Being able to work a screw driver by itself is not an adequate skill level. You can easily damage your expensive AVR, and any sign that you've removed the cover WILL VOID YOUR WARRANTY, something else that should be mentioned while mentioning that what you do is your own responsibility.

Getting electrocuted a real danger, as is something we in the know call "letting the smoke out" of your electronics.
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I'll go ahead and say that ANYONE who wants to take the adventurous step of trying to fix an issue on the 4520 should NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TINKER UNDER THE HOOD WHILE THE UNIT IS PLUGGED IN. This is something that doognam should be repeating instead of suggesting leaving the cover off while it's running in case it acts up again, or to point out which harnesses may have house voltage.
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Getting electrocuted a real danger, as is something we in the know call "letting the smoke out" of your electronics.
I agree entirely with your concern for safety.
But I am sorry to say that I cannot agree to the "NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES" part because there are circumstances when it is necessary to tinker under the hood while the unit is plugged and powered up.
However, in the interest of safety, I would not recommend anyone with insufficient knowledge and/or knowhow to perform dangerous activities or place themselves in dangerous situations.

Also, I would say that I am not qualified to determine whether or not one is sufficiently qualified to carry out dangerous activities. Even taking a shower could be dangerous to some. So I would leave it to whoever is concerned to determine for himself whether or not he can safely do any activity that I have suggested or may suggest in the future.
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This is the longest stream of pi$$ I've seen in a thread in a while. Nice.
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This is the longest stream of pi$$ I've seen in a thread in a while. Nice.
Oddly enough, I usually come here for information about audio equipment, and am not accustomed to seeing personal attacks in a discussion forum
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I'm lazy so I don't know if this is a easy thing or not possible.

I have all working ok but the OSD with the Satelitte from the DirecTV Genie DVR.
Is it because I have the pass through set or something else?
The other inputs work fine for OSD.
When I don't use the receiver I have the TV hooked up to some self powered speakers (KEF X300A) for casual listening.
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Just snagged an "open-box" (not a refurb) 4520CI from A4Less for $899. WITH the full 3 year Denon warranty!


Can't wait for it to show up on Friday. Now I just need to figure out my speaker situation (leaning towards SVS Ultras) and I'll be all set!
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I have the denon 4520i and the svs ultra towers, it's a very good sound for music and movies.
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I am interested on 4520CI , it is being discounted and within my "budget" , i can purchase a refurb. for $799 and a new one for $999 , my question , is Denon still providing firmware updates for this unit,i know my H/K was abandon by H/K fairly quickly , i would hope that a Top Model would receive support longer , is that a bad assumption ? Also any comments on DSX ; X sound and performance , Thanks for your comments and suggestions , William
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Denon will occasionally provide firmware updates to older (out of production) models but its typically on rare occasions where there is a bug fix needed. By the end of life of a unit most of the kinks are worked out so don't expect many further updates at this point.
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I am interested on 4520CI , it is being discounted and within my "budget" , i can purchase a refurb. for $799 and a new one for $999 , my question , is Denon still providing firmware updates for this unit,i know my H/K was abandon by H/K fairly quickly , i would hope that a Top Model would receive support longer , is that a bad assumption ? Also any comments on DSX ; X sound and performance , Thanks for your comments and suggestions , William
4520 hasn't had an update in quite a while....check out post 4 of this thread for the firmware update details for this avr. If everything works why would you need a continued stream of firmware updates?
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We're picking up a 2015 Samsung JS8500 here shortly but now I'm wondering if the AVR-4520CI will need replaced.

For 4k content I will just have a DirecTV Genie HD box and a PC. I guess the TV itself has Netflix etc but I've never had much luck getting ARC to work right with my previous TV anyway, curious to see if the Denon and Samsung will play nice or not. Is ARC incompatible with the thin Monoprice Redmere cables perhaps? Although I swore I tried it with a normal (monoprice) "HDMI hi-speed" cable too.

I suspect the tv's 4k upscaling is a better algorithm, is there a way to tell the Denon to not do the upscaling itself?

The Denon manual does mention doing pass-through of 4k and "deep color" but I'm not sure what that means in real world terms considering the new HDMI spec isn't finalized or what not yet (if I am remembering correctly).. Maybe the Denon would pass-through the "base layer" of HDR data but not the second layer?
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We're picking up a 2015 Samsung JS8500 here shortly but now I'm wondering if the AVR-4520CI will need replaced.

For 4k content I will just have a DirecTV Genie HD box and a PC. I guess the TV itself has Netflix etc but I've never had much luck getting ARC to work right with my previous TV anyway, curious to see if the Denon and Samsung will play nice or not. Is ARC incompatible with the thin Monoprice Redmere cables perhaps? Although I swore I tried it with a normal (monoprice) "HDMI hi-speed" cable too.

I suspect the tv's 4k upscaling is a better algorithm, is there a way to tell the Denon to not do the upscaling itself?

The Denon manual does mention doing pass-through of 4k and "deep color" but I'm not sure what that means in real world terms considering the new HDMI spec isn't finalized or what not yet (if I am remembering correctly).. Maybe the Denon would pass-through the "base layer" of HDR data but not the second layer?
You are reasonably OK for now with the 4520. It will pass a 4K signal, and the 4K up scaling can be turned on or off on a per-input basis. However, sometime down the road new 4K devices requiring HDMI 2.0 and/or HDCP 2.2 content protection will be coming into the market. At that time, you may not be capable of taking advantage of those new technologies, depending on how they are implemented.

My advice would be to defer replacing the 4520 until things become clearer later this year. Newer AVR models may be available at that time that would be a better choice than what is available today. I speak from a position of experience, since I have a Sony 4K display, a Sony 4K media server, and a Marantz 8801 (which is essentially the same as the 4520). All play nicely together for now. 4K UHD Blu-Ray will likely change the landscape later this year.
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Just got the 4520 from accessories 4 less and have a few questions.

The set up mic that came isn't picking up any audio so I believe it's faulty, I used an old onkyo sr607 set up mic for audyssey. It seems to have worked fine, am I losing any benefits from using the old mic?

I set the remote up to work with my time warner cable box but for the life of me I can't find a TV Guide button. Any suggestions?
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Just got the 4520 from accessories 4 less and have a few questions.

The set up mic that came isn't picking up any audio so I believe it's faulty, I used an old onkyo sr607 set up mic for audyssey. It seems to have worked fine, am I losing any benefits from using the old mic?

I set the remote up to work with my time warner cable box but for the life of me I can't find a TV Guide button. Any suggestions?

Was this 4520 purchased New or Refurbished?


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You are reasonably OK for now with the 4520. It will pass a 4K signal, and the 4K up scaling can be turned on or off on a per-input basis. However, sometime down the road new 4K devices requiring HDMI 2.0 and/or HDCP 2.2 content protection will be coming into the market. At that time, you may not be capable of taking advantage of those new technologies, depending on how they are implemented.

My advice would be to defer replacing the 4520 until things become clearer later this year. Newer AVR models may be available at that time that would be a better choice than what is available today. I speak from a position of experience, since I have a Sony 4K display, a Sony 4K media server, and a Marantz 8801 (which is essentially the same as the 4520). All play nicely together for now. 4K UHD Blu-Ray will likely change the landscape later this year.

Plus, I'm hoping that some of the new 4K UHD players will have dual HDMI output (like my OPPO 103-D) which would allow video direct to the display and HDMI audio direct to the Denon. This should keep the HDMI 2.0/HDCP 2.2 issues out of the AVR.
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