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I understand that HDMI CEC might make it possible to send a power on/off command to my TV when I power on or off my AVR? Where would I find such a setting in the 4520?


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I found turning the receiver off does not turn off the TV, but does switch the TV's speakers on. The other way around does work: Turning the TV off will power off the receiver. Usually handy, unless you want to listen to music with the TV off, then it's rather annoying. Turning the TV on will also power up the receiver but not the other way around. However, if the receiver decides it want to display something, such as entering a network audio source or turning on a CEC enabled playback device, then it will turn the TV on and change the TV's input.
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My 4520-CI seems to be broken.

I got a refurbished on back in January from A4L. The volume has become very .. random... Sometimes some channels work and some don't. Sometimes it's really quiet. Sometimes it's speaker-destroying loud. Any change of volume gives some new random thing. For example, turn it on with volume set to -30 dBFS. Apparent volume is left -30, center -80, right -10, sub +5. Push volume down once, changes to left +30, center -50, right -50, sub -50, frantically push mute by reflex and it changes to left -40, center -30, right -30, sub +20, etc.

This has happened before and went away for several weeks after power-cycling the device. But now it's back and doesn't seem to be fixing itself. It does this with multiple different HDMI devices and with the receiver's network apps.

Anyone seen this before?

And for all the people who got bad 4520's from A4L, did you deal with A4L if the broke after 30 days or did go directly to Denon?
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I understand that HDMI CEC might make it possible to send a power on/off command to my TV when I power on or off my AVR? Where would I find such a setting in the 4520?


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Setup->Video->HDMI Setup->HDMI Control

I think... I needed to enable it for the TV Audio Return Channel (rather than CEC).
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I found turning the receiver off does not turn off the TV, but does switch the TV's speakers on. The other way around does work: Turning the TV off will power off the receiver. Usually handy, unless you want to listen to music with the TV off, then it's rather annoying. Turning the TV on will also power up the receiver but not the other way around. However, if the receiver decides it want to display something, such as entering a network audio source or turning on a CEC enabled playback device, then it will turn the TV on and change the TV's input.
I was just pointing him at where in the 4520 to look for the HDMI CEC control. I don't use HDMI CEC in any case, use a Harmony remote to more reliably turn things on/off.
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Setup->Video->HDMI Setup->HDMI Control

I think... I needed to enable it for the TV Audio Return Channel (rather than CEC).
ARC uses HDMI-CEC.
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My 4520-CI seems to be broken.

I got a refurbished on back in January from A4L. The volume has become very .. random... Sometimes some channels work and some don't. Sometimes it's really quiet. Sometimes it's speaker-destroying loud. Any change of volume gives some new random thing. For example, turn it on with volume set to -30 dBFS. Apparent volume is left -30, center -80, right -10, sub +5. Push volume down once, changes to left +30, center -50, right -50, sub -50, frantically push mute by reflex and it changes to left -40, center -30, right -30, sub +20, etc.

This has happened before and went away for several weeks after power-cycling the device. But now it's back and doesn't seem to be fixing itself. It does this with multiple different HDMI devices and with the receiver's network apps.

Anyone seen this before?

And for all the people who got bad 4520's from A4L, did you deal with A4L if the broke after 30 days or did go directly to Denon?
Yes, one of my refurbs did that with the volume. Even microprocessor reset didn't help. Did you try that?

I had two refurbs before I gave up and went new. A4L helped me out on the second a little beyond 30 days. Can't hurt to ask nicely....
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Setup->Video->HDMI Setup->HDMI Control

I think... I needed to enable it for the TV Audio Return Channel (rather than CEC).

What is TV Audio Return Channel? Is this an option somewhere in the 4520? I can't seem to find it. Thanks!
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What is TV Audio Return Channel? Is this an option somewhere in the 4520? I can't seem to find it. Thanks!
It's the HDMI-CEC component in a compatible tv that can work with the avr for control....it is the HDMI Control in the 4520 as indicated.
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Power On doesn't work through Remote Control In

Has anyone been able to power on the 4520CI using the Remote Control In jack? Using Xantech IR.

See thread "Denon 4520CI will not "wake up" to Remote In Signal" under Audio/Receivers, Amps and Processors. Thanks in advance.
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What is TV Audio Return Channel? Is this an option somewhere in the 4520? I can't seem to find it. Thanks!
Page 10 of the manual explains ARC with a nice sketch under About ARC Function. It eliminates having to use
a separate audio cable from tv to stereo. Audio will return from tv to receiver if desired over single hdmi cable.
The 4520 has 3 possible arc ports so designate which hdmi out (1,2 or 4) is active with hdmi control. ARC will
work on that port. Now turn on ARC in tv and it should work. Or connect a toslink cable and leave ARC off.
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Video output

Hi. I have my laptop (native resolution 720) connected to my 4520 via HDMI. Until recently the 4520 would output 1080 to my monitor, from this input. Now it will only output 720. Any ideas as to what happened? Perhaps I should try another input? Thanks for any suggestions.
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Roku3 Connection problems

I have a new Roku3 and then added a new Denon 4520CI AVR. The Roku would connect wirelessly with no problem but would not connect through the wired connection. I live chatted with Roku and they took me through all of the secret screens and we then found that the Denon was causing the error code in the Roku. I eliminated the Denon and the Roku took the wired connection.

I would like to use the Denon AVR bc it has a four port Ethernet expansion board on the back.

Does anyone know how to circumvent this problem before I contact Denon?

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After getting everything hooked up I tried to play a couple music CD's through both a cheap Samsung Bluray player and through an older top end Sony DVD/CD player.

They both sounded absolutely terrible. The Samsung was worse but I expected that.

Here is my setup and save the bashing on the speakers since I know they suck.

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Frequency Response: 55Hz-20kHz(+-)3dB SENSITIVITY: 93dB @ 1watt/1meter POWER HANDLING: 85 watts maximum continuous (340 watts peak) NOMINAL IMPEDANCE: 8 ohms TWEETER: K-94-S 1" (2.54cm) Silk dome compression driver HIGH FREQUENCY HORN: 90(o)x40(o) Tractrix(r) Horn WOOFER: K-1041-SV 6.5" (16.51cm) Poly cone ENCLOSURE MATERIAL: Medium density fiberboard construction (MDF) ENCLOSURE TYPE: Bass reflex via front-mounted port DIMENSIONS: 15" (38.1cm) x 7.5" (19cm) x 8.25" (21cm) WEIGHT: 11 lbs. (5kg) FINISHES: Black, Rosewood vinyl Built From: 1997 BUILT UNTIL: 1999
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The settings are on small and I let Audyssey do everything else. The sound is so terrible it lacks any lows, sounds very "honky" and there are no crisp highs at all. Sounds very mono. I then started to randomly make changes since I haven't read the giant manual nor did I use it to try to find a cure. When I changed the setting to "large" for all speakers the sound drastically improved.

Knowing that I couldn't do that for very long I changed it back to small and then ran Audyssey again to reset the speakers.

Since running Audyssey again that sound has improved when playing a moive and the music still sounds like crap.

Other than buying new fronts and a center, which I am currently working on, what else should I be doing to improve the sound for listening to music?
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Roku3 Connection problems

I have a new Roku3 and then added a new Denon 4520CI AVR. The Roku would connect wirelessly with no problem but would not connect through the wired connection. I live chatted with Roku and they took me through all of the secret screens and we then found that the Denon was causing the error code in the Roku. I eliminated the Denon and the Roku took the wired connection.

I would like to use the Denon AVR bc it has a four port Ethernet expansion board on the back.

Does anyone know how to circumvent this problem before I contact Denon?

Thx
Use wireless with the Roku. All the streaming apps use low bitrate streams. Whether my Rokus use the wired connection or the wireless connection I have an identical experience. Things start playing just as quick and also ramp up to 1080P just as quick whether using the wired or wireless connection on my Roku 3 and two Roku 2 boxes.

Plus the Denon supposedly uses an Ethernet hub instead of an Ethernet switch. I stopped using Ethernet hubs in the 1990's. I've only used Ethernet switches since the late 90's with my devices.

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I'm assuming you have a 4520 driving them. First, the stupid questions! Double check ALL speaker connections at the speaker and the AVR. Make sure the speakers are not out of phase, or the red, positive on the speaker is connected to the red or positive at the avr for all speakers. Next, how are the disc players connected to the avr? Analog or digital?

Next, since you have 2 dvd players connected at the same time, then they can't be employed using the same source on the AVR. One has to be DVD Player, and the other, Bluray Player, or CD player selection on the AVR. Perhaps you could post how you have them connected so we get an idea.

Next, what soundfield mode is the AVR in when playing the music? If you look at the 4520 remote, near the bottom you will see 4 buttons in color. You should hold down the red button until a big menu window appears on screen, then select stereo. Or, if you have the disc players connected via analog cables, use the yellow "Direct" button so the Denon keeps the signal in analog and does not process it.

Just some ideas to check.

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Yes, without knowing detailed settings hard to help. Another thing to check is the status of Audyssey Dynamic Volume, running Audyssey on this unit automatically enables it after running the calibration routine. First thing I turn off. Also, you mention 2.1 yet list a center speaker....so is it 3.1? The sub is the Klipsch 15-2 I think you mentioned earlier?
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So I was set to buy the 4520 as I've been out of the receiver game for a long time and am rebooting my theater room.

I've always held Denon in high regard, but I read a pretty scathing review regarding the sound quality about this receiver from the likes of Digital Trends.

What gives? I'm more in the boat that receiver sound quality is pretty uniform for the most part once you've accounted for power output, especially when it comes to a receiver being used for home theater.

Does this unit have issues? Are the poor reviews a result of room correction software? An axe to grind?

Also, is buying a refurb unit opening myself up to a lot of headaches?

Thanks for any guidance.
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So I was set to buy the 4520 as I've been out of the receiver game for a long time and am rebooting my theater room.

I've always held Denon in high regard, but I read a pretty scathing review regarding the sound quality about this receiver from the likes of Digital Trends.

What gives? I'm more in the boat that receiver sound quality is pretty uniform for the most part once you've accounted for power output, especially when it comes to a receiver being used for home theater.

Does this unit have issues? Are the poor reviews a result of room correction software? An axe to grind?

Also, is buying a refurb unit opening myself up to a lot of headaches?

Thanks for any guidance.
Have you read this thread yet?
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I'm assuming you have a 4520 driving them. First, the stupid questions! Double check ALL speaker connections at the speaker and the AVR. Make sure the speakers are not out of phase, or the red, positive on the speaker is connected to the red or positive at the avr for all speakers. Next, how are the disc players connected to the avr? Analog or digital?

Next, since you have 2 dvd players connected at the same time, then they can't be employed using the same source on the AVR. One has to be DVD Player, and the other, Bluray Player, or CD player selection on the AVR. Perhaps you could post how you have them connected so we get an idea.

Next, what soundfield mode is the AVR in when playing the music? If you look at the 4520 remote, near the bottom you will see 4 buttons in color. You should hold down the red button until a big menu window appears on screen, then select stereo. Or, if you have the disc players connected via analog cables, use the yellow "Direct" button so the Denon keeps the signal in analog and does not process it.

Just some ideas to check.
All of the speakers had banana jacks installed and were triple checked before installation. The Samsung is hooked up using HDMI and the Sony using RCA's. The Samsung is hooked to the Bluray HDMI and the Sony is hooked to the RCA CD jacks. Not sure what soudfield is playing other than the display says Stereo. I did try some of those functions but it didn't seem to make a difference so I quit messing with it.
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Use wireless with the Roku. All the streaming apps use low bitrate streams. Whether my Rokus use the wired connection or the wireless connection I have an identical experience. Things start playing just as quick and also ramp up to 1080P just as quick whether using the wired or wireless connection on my Roku 3 and two Roku 2 boxes.

Plus the Denon supposedly uses an Ethernet hub instead of an Ethernet switch. I stopped using Ethernet hubs in the 1990's. I've only used Ethernet switches since the late 90's with my devices.
Because of the location of the modem/router and home construction the wireless connection to the Roku is not reliable. I had an electrician pull Cat6 to the living room where we have two alcoves that contains our HT gear.

One thing I forgot to mention and only remembered after I was working on it again today is that the Ethernet cable comes out of the wall and goes through a brand new power bar with fuse breaks. Then it goes through the Denon and then it went on to the Roku. I have everything going through power bars in the case of electrical shock mostly from lightening.
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Yes, without knowing detailed settings hard to help. Another thing to check is the status of Audyssey Dynamic Volume, running Audyssey on this unit automatically enables it after running the calibration routine. First thing I turn off. Also, you mention 2.1 yet list a center speaker....so is it 3.1? The sub is the Klipsch 15-2 I think you mentioned earlier?
Why would you turn it off? I was trying to play the music in stereo. I listed the center speaker just bc I had the specs in front of me at the time.
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All of the speakers had banana jacks installed and were triple checked before installation. The Samsung is hooked up using HDMI and the Sony using RCA's. The Samsung is hooked to the Bluray HDMI and the Sony is hooked to the RCA CD jacks. Not sure what soudfield is playing other than the display says Stereo. I did try some of those functions but it didn't seem to make a difference so I quit messing with it.
It kind of sounds like you aren't too familiar with the Denon yet. If you have the Sony connected via analog and then play it with a soundfield some bad things are happening. The Sony is converting from digital to analog, then the Denon is reconverting it to digital to apply Audyssey or whatever soundfield you are messing with, then converting it back to analog. That will degrade the sound, as will the triple checked speaker cables if they have reverse polarity. Keep working at it and reading up on the various issues, it's a complicated piece of gear.
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It kind of sounds like you aren't too familiar with the Denon yet. If you have the Sony connected via analog and then play it with a soundfield some bad things are happening. The Sony is converting from digital to analog, then the Denon is reconverting it to digital to apply Audyssey or whatever soundfield you are messing with, then converting it back to analog. That will degrade the sound, as will the triple checked speaker cables if they have reverse polarity. Keep working at it and reading up on the various issues, it's a complicated piece of gear.
The speaker wire and cables are all in perfect order. Yes you are correct that I am new to the newer tech. So far from my questions I have learned that my speakers suck and I might need a couple thousand dollar subs to replace what I have.

I have been reading through the Denon manual when I get a chance but life keeps getting into the way. Would it be as simple as choosing one of the colored buttons on the remote as opposed to being repeated told I do not know what I am doing and that my gear sucks?
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Why would you turn it off? I was trying to play the music in stereo. I listed the center speaker just bc I had the specs in front of me at the time.
Because it is dynamic range compression I don't care for...perhaps useful late at night if you have neighbors or family to consider.
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Good luck finding your lackluster audio sound coming from that receiver. I had one . In fact 2 . Sent it back for a new one once . Hunted for a couple years trying ,and blaming everything on everything except what it turned out to be.... That 4520 is a piss poor unit for playing music. I finally moved on ,bought something else, and very happy, Should have done it much sooner ... read this article ....Its dead on....


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Sorry, but that's flat out nonsense. Perhaps you had a defective one operating out of spec. That said, the AVR is not the very best device to recreate music, but it can still sound pretty good.
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Sorry, but that's flat out nonsense. Perhaps you had a defective one operating out of spec. That said, the AVR is not the very best device to recreate music, but it can still sound pretty good.
I don't always agree with this guy....but no question here....
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For upmixing 5.1 to 7.1 using Dolby ProLogic IIx Music mode, is "Center Width" setting available?
Is "Center Width" limited to upmixing from a stereo source only?
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For upmixing 5.1 to 7.1 using Dolby ProLogic IIx Music mode, is "Center Width" setting available?
Is "Center Width" limited to upmixing from a stereo source only?
No because it's not mixing the center.

It's best to think of PLIIx as really two separate algorithms bundled under one name. One is for stereo up mixing, the other is for turning two surround channels into more surround channels. In the latter form the front three channels are left untouched.
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