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post #13381 of 13398 Old 07-05-2016, 01:48 PM
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Having some sound issues on my system. I have the 4520CI outputting to a JVC RS-57 PJ. Have issue (possibly different issues) with both BDP (Oppo-103) and Media Player (Dune Base 3D), but don't seem to ever have it with DirecTV HR21 or AppleTV (though AppleTV is rarely used).

OK, what is going on? Lets start with the Oppo-103 -- when I power up the system I generally get picture fine, but no sound when powering up from the Blu-Ray input. This is resolved by cycling power on the Oppo. I suspect (if someone can confirm) a HDMI handshake issue. I power up with projector 1st, 4520 2nd, and Oppo last. The projector I suspect is taking a really long time to power up. This only seems to happen with the Oppo on initial powerup of the system where the projector has to power up.

I can try putting longer delays between components in the power up sequence - have URC MX-890 so it is really flexible in how it can be programmed. Anyone think this would help? I would have to reinstall the CPP software (new laptop since last time I had to make changes) - but could be done.

Also with the Oppo-103, it has the MHL version of the Roku stick - and I can be watching a movie (Amazon Prime) and pause the movie. When I come back and hit resume often there is no sound. I suspect this is NOT a handshake issue, and would be posting in the Oppo thread instead of here if the exact same thing didn't happen from time to time with the Media Player input that connects the Dune Base3D source. In both cases this can be recovered by either rew or ff briefly then hitting play again.

Don't have a clue on this problem.

Any ideas appreciated!

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Then insist on their current flagship receiver and don't take no for an answer! Altho a 6200 would be almost as nice....
NO JOY, but not for the reasons you would expect.

Repair people asked for a main board and Denon said they didn't have any,would have to furnish a new unit. So repair service issued a DMA request, but Denon declined that saying they did have main boards. Main board received by repair shop,and sound was restored but found that the Network card was bad. 2 more weeks to get the network card, few days to install and now my 4520 is on its way back to me.

I got pretty excited when I thought I'd likely get an X7200!! But I'll make do with the 4520. Been a long time without good music.
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NO JOY, but not for the reasons you would expect.

Repair people asked for a main board and Denon said they didn't have any,would have to furnish a new unit. So repair service issued a DMA request, but Denon declined that saying they did have main boards. Main board received by repair shop,and sound was restored but found that the Network card was bad. 2 more weeks to get the network card, few days to install and now my 4520 is on its way back to me.

I got pretty excited when I thought I'd likely get an X7200!! But I'll make do with the 4520. Been a long time without good music.
Dang.....not that the 4520 is any slouch...
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4520 is a real slouch. It seems mine is on the fritz again, having to listen at -10 vs -20 in the past. Not much else has changed so how do i test if I am having issues or if it is the material.
What SLP should playing at -20 show vs -10. Thanks.
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Well, if you play a -30dBfs test tone at 0MV, it should be 75dB. The Disney WOW disc is a good source for test tones, but they are at -20dBfs.

Or, if you are listening at -10MV, the average dialogue should be around 85dB...however, that is very hard to determine because movies can vary in dialogue level.
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4520 is a real slouch. It seems mine is on the fritz again, having to listen at -10 vs -20 in the past. Not much else has changed so how do i test if I am having issues or if it is the material.
What SLP should playing at -20 show vs -10. Thanks.
Not much to go on but true if your 4520 is on the fritz then it is slouching Not much has changed translates to what exactly in terms of change? Speakers? Different source? What is SLP?
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Not much to go on but true if your 4520 is on the fritz then it is slouching Not much has changed translates to what exactly in terms of change? Speakers? Different source? What is SLP?
The only change is the Dish Network Hopper but even Apple TV is not as loud as I recall it being for the same material so something is definitely not correct. Nothing else has changed Speakers or Sub they are the same as a year ago.
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The only change is the Dish Network Hopper but even Apple TV is not as loud as I recall it being for the same material so something is definitely not correct. Nothing else has changed Speakers or Sub they are the same as a year ago.
Sonic memory can fool ya. 10dB is pretty significant but without a measurement before and after, hard to know....

You can raise input level in the setup menu - inputs - source level. Anyone else in the house have access to settings? Might check them....
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Love this receiver so much but I am really bummed out I may have to sell it. After having owned it six months, I turned it on one night and no picture out of hdmi out 1. There was a storm the night before so i concluded a lightning strike took it out. Had it repaired at a local shop and got it back 2 months ago. I bought a nice APC UPS to protect it and hooked up everything into the UPS including the coax in my setup. Sunday i was watching netflix and out of nowhere a lightning storm rolled in, I ran upstairs to close the windows and when I returned the picture was black. Now none of the HDMI outputs work. I have a fire tv, roku, steam link, ps3 all hooked up to the receiver and "on" when this happened, and nothing else was damaged. I have a Yamaha RX-V867 that was hooked up in the same setup for well over a year and never had any issues connected only to a plain surge strip. The yamaha was also on upstairs during the storm and its fine. This is either a giant coincidence and the hdmi board just happen to go bad again or this receivers hdmi boards are far more sensitive than any other electronic in my whole house. I have 2 years left on the warranty but no longer have any confidence in this electronic, any time i hear lightning strike my blood pressure is going to skyrocket. Overall just really frustrated.
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Love this receiver so much but I am really bummed out I may have to sell it. After having owned it six months, I turned it on one night and no picture out of hdmi out 1. There was a storm the night before so i concluded a lightning strike took it out. Had it repaired at a local shop and got it back 2 months ago. I bought a nice APC UPS to protect it and hooked up everything into the UPS including the coax in my setup. Sunday i was watching netflix and out of nowhere a lightning storm rolled in, I ran upstairs to close the windows and when I returned the picture was black. Now none of the HDMI outputs work. I have a fire tv, roku, steam link, ps3 all hooked up to the receiver and "on" when this happened, and nothing else was damaged. I have a Yamaha RX-V867 that was hooked up in the same setup for well over a year and never had any issues connected only to a plain surge strip. The yamaha was also on upstairs during the storm and its fine. This is either a giant coincidence and the hdmi board just happen to go bad again or this receivers hdmi boards are far more sensitive than any other electronic in my whole house. I have 2 years left on the warranty but no longer have any confidence in this electronic, any time i hear lightning strike my blood pressure is going to skyrocket. Overall just really frustrated.
Was your Yamaha sharing all the same connections to sources? HDMI is not even close to adequate when it comes to electrical problems it seems....
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Not surprised to see a lot of others having problems with their 4520s. I'm on my fourth one which is less than a year old and now no sound. Sometimes the sound will come on, then I'll hear a click and nothing. Changing sources doesn't do anything and hard or soft resets don't do anything either.

The only reason I have a 4520 is because my 4311 crapped out and they sent me this. I thought I was getting an upgrade, but it's been nothing but hell. Has Denon just gone down the crapper and only produces junk now? I never had any problems with previous Onkyos that I had.

I guess I need to start reading up on receivers since its been a long time since I've looked at anything. I don't think Onkyo uses Audyssey anymore do they? What's comparable to Audyssey XT32 that's out there? Anyone have a recommendation? I need something that will do at least 9.2.

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Not surprised to see a lot of others having problems with their 4520s. I'm on my fourth one which is less than a year old and now no sound. Sometimes the sound will come on, then I'll hear a click and nothing. Changing sources doesn't do anything and hard or soft resets don't do anything either.

The only reason I have a 4520 is because my 4311 crapped out and they sent me this. I thought I was getting an upgrade, but it's been nothing but hell. Has Denon just gone down the crapper and only produces junk now? I never had any problems with previous Onkyos that I had.

I guess I need to start reading up on receivers since its been a long time since I've looked at anything. I don't think Onkyo uses Audyssey anymore do they? What's comparable to Audyssey XT32 that's out there? Anyone have a recommendation? I need something that will do at least 9.2.
Interesting-I'm In exactly the same situation - had the 4311 that got zapped by a surge following a lightning strike. Received a 4520 replacement when Denon could no longer replace the hdmi board, my 4311 had about 3 months of warranty coverage remaining - first 4520 was not functional, 2nd worked fine for about 2 years - but is now entering non functional status - network board crapped out, and now random audio drops are occurring with increasing frequency. Will probably replace with a Denon 6200. Just a reminder, that, as electronics become more sophisticated, and are asked to do so much more, their lifespan becomes more finite - both as a functioning piece of gear, as well as having to keep up with the accelerating pace of technological advances - HDMI 2.0 +, 4K, streaming, Atmos - the beat goes on.
Back to your original question regarding 9.2 or > + room correction, mini dap offers a number of Dirac Live options that can be paired with amps and/or avr's, but I think for now I'll stick with a Denon upgrade. Good luck with your replacement quest!!!

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Over 20 months with my 4520 without issue.
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Variable TV Sound from Bluetooth Transmitter

My hearing is not quite as good as it used to be, certain sounds just don't register. Although my wife talks on the phone so loud she doesn't need long distance, she insists on having the TV at a very low level, way softer than normal conversation. So I thought that having a bluetooth transmitter and earphones would be the solution. She could have her volume very low, and I could boost it as needed. So I bought a bluetooth transmitter and headphones. I'm looking for a place to plug in my bluetooth transmitter such that my receiver will have normal sound thru the speakers, but give me full sound range via the bluetooth transmitter and headphones. I have a headphone jack and 2-RCA jacks as options. I looked at the user manual but did see an answer. I tried many jacks on the front and back of my 4520, but no joy.

The TV is fed by a DVR+ for OTA broadcasts, a Channelmaster unit, and also ROKU 3. Both attach to the 4520 receiver via HDMI, and HDMI from the receiver to the TV. When using the receiver for sound, no sound is produced at the TV, no output from the earphone jack on the TV, RCA outs of various descriptions on the TV.

Is there a way to get what I want - normal speaker sound, and variable headphone sound not limited by the speaker volume??
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My hearing is not quite as good as it used to be, certain sounds just don't register. Although my wife talks on the phone so loud she doesn't need long distance, she insists on having the TV at a very low level, way softer than normal conversation. So I thought that having a bluetooth transmitter and earphones would be the solution. She could have her volume very low, and I could boost it as needed. So I bought a bluetooth transmitter and headphones. I'm looking for a place to plug in my bluetooth transmitter such that my receiver will have normal sound thru the speakers, but give me full sound range via the bluetooth transmitter and headphones. I have a headphone jack and 2-RCA jacks as options. I looked at the user manual but did see an answer. I tried many jacks on the front and back of my 4520, but no joy.

The TV is fed by a DVR+ for OTA broadcasts, a Channelmaster unit, and also ROKU 3. Both attach to the 4520 receiver via HDMI, and HDMI from the receiver to the TV. When using the receiver for sound, no sound is produced at the TV, no output from the earphone jack on the TV, RCA outs of various descriptions on the TV.

Is there a way to get what I want - normal speaker sound, and variable headphone sound not limited by the speaker volume??
If you also connect an analog (red/white) cable from the DVR, then you can connect the Bluetooth transmitter to the Zone 2 pre-outs after powering Zone 2 ON and selecting the DVR.

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If you also connect an analog (red/white) cable from the DVR, then you can connect the Bluetooth transmitter to the Zone 2 pre-outs after powering Zone 2 ON and selecting the DVR.
Unfortunately, no RCA outs on the DVR+ unit, none on ROKU either. On the DVR+ there is some type of a optical port, but not like any other I've ever seen, much smaller than would fit on the 4520. The ROKU has an optical port (usual kind) that might work for that unit. Also, I sent a message to the DVR+ people and asked them about their tiny optical port. Don't have their answer yet, but see no place on the 4520 to plug it in. We'll see what they say.

I tried using the optical port on the ROKU and I had sound on my bluetooth from the zone 2 preout, but then switched back to Zone M to see if I could adjust the receiver sound and not have it affect the Bluetooth, and the Bluetooth no longer has sound. I'm not doing something right, I think.
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Unfortunately, no RCA outs on the DVR+ unit, none on ROKU either. On the DVR+ there is some type of a optical port, but not like any other I've ever seen, much smaller than would fit on the 4520. The ROKU has an optical port (usual kind) that might work for that unit. Also, I sent a message to the DVR+ people and asked them about their tiny optical port. Don't have their answer yet, but see no place on the 4520 to plug it in. We'll see what they say.

I tried using the optical port on the ROKU and I had sound on my bluetooth from the zone 2 preout, but then switched back to Zone M to see if I could adjust the receiver sound and not have it affect the Bluetooth, and the Bluetooth no longer has sound. I'm not doing something right, I think.
You could use an optical ---> analog converter or if you set the AVR to STEREO surround mode, connect to the FL/FR pre-outs.

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Was your Yamaha sharing all the same connections to sources? HDMI is not even close to adequate when it comes to electrical problems it seems....
Yes i use all devices cables etc, the only thing i changed out in the setup was the receiver. What do you mean by " HDMI is not even close to adequate when it comes to electrical problems it seems....". It seems like out of all electronic A/V problems, hdmi ports/ boards failing is the most common. I really don't want to blame it on Denon's HDMI board being a flaky P.O.S. but when every other device continues to function it starts to to make me wonder.
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