Originally Posted by AVSF458
I agree @LOVE
inthehd. It should have an effect but the effect is minimal. It does not add more ooph but add more muddiness and echo that is not pleasant to the ears. Also seems to create more pressure on the ears if you know what I mean.
When I start the Audyssey, I do the sub level matching and set them each as close to 75db as possible. The noise from the two Amps for the subs creates an issue with pinning it to 75. I put the Inukes at 50% where the dot is at the 12 O'Clock position and then increase it from there to get to 75 db on each sub as suggested on the 4520. Then I run the Audyssey for all 8 positions where all of them are on my 3 seat couch in front.
The subs are on the Front Left (When I am sitting the couch) and the Rear Right.
I will check on the picture mode on the Dish, I am not sure it has one. I have it off on the 4520. The dish is connected to the 4520 via HDMI and then the HDMI out on the 4520 goes to the Sharp LC-80LE857.
My 5 speakers are from Ascend. The Towers with RAAL, the Center with RAAL and two rears are their Sierra-1's. I have made them mad here talking about how I dont think their speakers are as great as everyone thinks at least in my setup. My room acoustics are bad and that is the cause of a lot of my issues but I still think the sound should not be as bad as I think it is or as muted.
For sound the only options on the dish are Dolby Digital or PCM and I have it on PCM. The Dolby Digital sounds worse.
I still did not get it, should i turn Audyssey off once I mess with what audyssey has set up or keep audyssey turned on and at that point it is working with the changed settings?
Thanks for trying to help me.
Originally Posted by AVSF458
BTW is the Pioneer Elite SC91 an improvement over the Denon 4520?
Hard to know what you mean by "does not add more ooph but add more muddiness and echo that is not pleasant to the ears. Also seems to create more pressure on the ears
" although subs do pressurize rooms, so that may be what you're feeling. Muddiness and echo may depend on your definitions or even expectations, or can be influenced by how you setup eq with your iNukes (assume this is the DSP model since they're ported, so your dsp settings need to be explained, and best done so in the diy sub subforum where there is some expertise on ths). Do you have the ability to measure your subs and share those measurements?
How loud are your amps from the measuring position? No way to quiet your amps or put something around/over them during calibration to keep their noise out of the measurement? How does that affect sub readings? What frequency is the fan noise? Sounds like a fair way to setup the sub levels but I usually aim for a higher level for the subs to set my trim well into the negative range. What do you position your Audyssey mic with? What pattern are you using for the 8 positions? Have you tried the Audyssey setup thread for assistance?
Your sub positions sound reasonable, how did you choose them?
Never heard much good about Dish quality, I use DirecTV myself for sat. As to audio settings why 2ch PCM so everything needs to be upmixed? I'd think the basic DD surround setting would be better so you at least get discrete content when available.
As far as Ascend, I use several myself (Sierra-1s NrT, 170SE & 200SEs). You should be getting very good results from them. Whether that's to your taste/expectation or not, hard to know, that's for you to determine.
It's your preference whether to use Audyssey for setup or do it manually. If you use Audyssey as the auto setup afterwards you may want to use Audyssey for movies, Audyssey Flat for music, or Bypass L/R or turn it off or whatever floats your boat, it's a matter of preference.... If you use Audyssey for setup and then turn it off it just retains your level/delay settings and turns the eq part off. It gives you a lot of choices, there's no one setting I use for everything, I vary it with specific content. Dynamic EQ I also use, Dynamic Volume I don't; if you use DynamicEQ you might note how to use the accompanying Reference Level Offset settings. If you tweak the speaker/sub levels or delay (distance) Audyssey still works; you simply cannot change the basic EQ curves(Audyssey, Audyssey Flat, Bypass L/R).
Hope that helps, but it does take some work to get it right. Your expectations are your own, though. It can be hard to share setup info without sharing measurements to show others what may or may not be going on....your use of descriptive words may not be universal either.
I like the 4520 a lot, my old Pioneer crapped out but I did like the MCACC somewhat, but prefer what Audyssey can do for subs.