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Anyone that can remember Arte Johnson IS old! I liked Goldie Hawn on that show. She still looks good and she has a couple of years on me.
Even though Goldie still looks wonderful (to me at least), when I see her daughter Kate its just....invigorating
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Even though Goldie still looks wonderful (to me at least), when I see her daughter Kate its just....invigorating
Well yeah!!! We're talking the difference of a generation here. Kate is a great looking gal just like her mommy Goldie who is 70-71 now (born in 1945). Hard to believe that so much time has passed in my life. I'm 69 next month. Dang!!!
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LOL Heck I remember TV from the early '50's Before that I was listening to AM radio
I think I was 9 or 10 when we got our first television - that was in 1955 or 56. I can remember early Saturday/Sunday mornings when my younger brother and I got up and had the TV to ourselves for an hour or so while mom & dad would get some extra sleep. We'd watch the test pattern until the first of the cartoon shows came on at 7:00 IIRC. But before that we'd have to endure 15 minutes of Farm Report! It gave us time to let the tv warm up. It was a 21" Raytheon. BIG SCREEN TV! Many of our neighbors had much smaller tv's. I remember one buddy's dad bought one of those colored plastic screen on their tv - COLOR TV! Well - almost. It was blue on the top and green on the bottom and not much in the middle. I don't recall their screen being so dark on top and bottom. I bet you remember those eh?



We lived 25 miles north of Seattle - in Everett. There were 3 stations that came in fairly good - 4 5 & 7 (abc nbc and cbs) - once in a while we could get 11 & 12 and if conditions were favorable we'd get one or two of the Canadian stations. It was often a snowy picture but we didn't expect better - we didn't know better. Public TV was channel 9. Terrible programming back then. We hardly watched it at all. They had some gal dressed sort of like an elf - the show was called The Wanda Wanda Show. Why a double name? I have no idea.

It is amazing how home electronics have advanced in 60 years. From cumbersome tube powered tv's and radios to radios you can carry with one hand to Walkman to super fast computers and AVR's that are more computer than anything.

Which causes me to pose this question: If AVR's are so computer-like why the hell do they not last as long as computers? I've had a couple of computers with problems but not anywhere near as bad as these modern AVR/AVP's are. I've been building my own computers for 20 years now. I also use Linux - no need to buy anti-virus protection or firewalls or programs that sniff out nasty scripts from cookies etc. I've given away a few computers simply because I got tired of the same slow speeds. 3-4 years and I'm done with a computer.

What I suspect is most of the AVR/AVP manufacturers don't go through the expense of putting heat sinks on those chips that really run hot. Computer makers have been doing that almost from the get-go. Maybe it's time for the AVR/AVP manufacturers to add the heat sinks to help reduce the failure rates. That's not a great way to get people to buy your product I suppose. I bet if I stuck a heat sink on a new AVR and it needed warranty work they'd void the warranty even if the defective part had nothing to do with the heat sink.

Eh - time for bed. I think I'll play a round of golf tomorrow if it doesn't rain.
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I think I was 9 or 10 when we got our first television - that was in 1955 or 56. I can remember early Saturday/Sunday mornings when my younger brother and I got up and had the TV to ourselves for an hour or so while mom & dad would get some extra sleep. We'd watch the test pattern until the first of the cartoon shows came on at 7:00 IIRC. But before that we'd have to endure 15 minutes of Farm Report! It gave us time to let the tv warm up. It was a 21" Raytheon. BIG SCREEN TV! Many of our neighbors had much smaller tv's. I remember one buddy's dad bought one of those colored plastic screen on their tv - COLOR TV! Well - almost. It was blue on the top and green on the bottom and not much in the middle. I don't recall their screen being so dark on top and bottom. I bet you remember those eh?



We lived 25 miles north of Seattle - in Everett. There were 3 stations that came in fairly good - 4 5 & 7 (abc nbc and cbs) - once in a while we could get 11 & 12 and if conditions were favorable we'd get one or two of the Canadian stations. It was often a snowy picture but we didn't expect better - we didn't know better. Public TV was channel 9. Terrible programming back then. We hardly watched it at all. They had some gal dressed sort of like an elf - the show was called The Wanda Wanda Show. Why a double name? I have no idea.

It is amazing how home electronics have advanced in 60 years. From cumbersome tube powered tv's and radios to radios you can carry with one hand to Walkman to super fast computers and AVR's that are more computer than anything.

Which causes me to pose this question: If AVR's are so computer-like why the hell do they not last as long as computers? I've had a couple of computers with problems but not anywhere near as bad as these modern AVR/AVP's are. I've been building my own computers for 20 years now. I also use Linux - no need to buy anti-virus protection or firewalls or programs that sniff out nasty scripts from cookies etc. I've given away a few computers simply because I got tired of the same slow speeds. 3-4 years and I'm done with a computer.

What I suspect is most of the AVR/AVP manufacturers don't go through the expense of putting heat sinks on those chips that really run hot. Computer makers have been doing that almost from the get-go. Maybe it's time for the AVR/AVP manufacturers to add the heat sinks to help reduce the failure rates. That's not a great way to get people to buy your product I suppose. I bet if I stuck a heat sink on a new AVR and it needed warranty work they'd void the warranty even if the defective part had nothing to do with the heat sink.

Eh - time for bed. I think I'll play a round of golf tomorrow if it doesn't rain.
Memories... Funny about the plastic color screen. I was thinking about that earlier because one of my friends folks did the same thing but even before that a friend had a really small screen with a large magnifying glass panel in front of it. Our first set was a 1951 21" Admiral.

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Thanks, what are the differences in the amps? Is the DAC difference that the 4520 has AL32 and the 6200 AL24? That some way of describing hdam?
The 4520CI (and successor X7200WA) are the only current models designed to power 4-ohm speakers to reference volume level as well as using a better quality 32bit DAC, and also AL32 vs. AL24. HDAM is unique to Marantz. Another nice feature of the 4520CI is the custom AMP ASSIGN whereby you can reassign some of the on board unused amps (of speakers being externally powered) to any other speaker to include Zones 2/3 or a second row of Surround speakers for those with two rows of seating.
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The 4520CI (and successor X7200WA) are the only current models designed to power 4-ohm speakers to reference volume level as well as using a better quality 32bit DAC, and also AL32 vs. AL24. HDAM is unique to Marantz. Another nice feature of the 4520CI is the custom AMP ASSIGN whereby you can reassign some of the on board unused amps (of speakers being externally powered) to any other speaker to include Zones 2/3 or a second row of Surround speakers for those with two rows of seating.
Jdsmoothie - So if I wanted to replace my 4520ci what do you or other enthusiasts think would be a significant upgrade, preferably in thesub1500 range. I have a 5.2 system and don't see myself going to 7..2 or 9.2 system unless I could find speakers that enhance the sound but are extremely small similar to the Bose cubes.

Does anyone think I may benefit from adding an external amp such as a Monolith-7 to my system?
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Jdsmoothie - So if I wanted to replace my 4520ci what do you or other enthusiasts think would be a significant upgrade, preferably in thesub1500 range. I have a 5.2 system and don't see myself going to 7..2 or 9.2 system unless I could find speakers that enhance the sound but are extremely small similar to the Bose cubes.

Does anyone think I may benefit from adding an external amp such as a Monolith-7 to my system?
Nothing in that price range as the X7200WA is the current "flagship" D+M AVR comparable with the 4520CI.
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I have a 4520ci with the dreaded DSP board failure of which are no longer available apparently. Do i have options to continue using this thing? Can i do the 11 channel pre-outs and use external amps or am i SOL? I don't have the budget to replace this thing and its only a few years old. I've already gone down the extended warranty road with amex, and i submitted 2 days to late. My own fault really, forgot i bought it with my Amex. Also wont be buying refurbed every again.

Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations? Is it just time to start saving up for a 6200?
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... I have a 5.2 system and don't see myself going to 7..2 or 9.2 system unless I could find speakers that enhance the sound but are extremely small similar to the Bose cubes...
You might be interested in the Cambridge Audio Minx life style speakers. The BMR drivers of the Min12/22 are quite unique.

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Unless you've got low efficiency speakers rated for 4 ohm nominal load, the 4520CI will be less than -3dB difference in SPL in terms of power differences in the amp section.

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hi guys, just looking for some guidance.

When hooking up a UHD player to the receiver, I need to use both HDMI outputs on the player.
What I want to be able to do is to avoid having the video HDMI out (on the player) take up another HDMI port on my TV.

Will one of the HDFury products be able to help accomplish this? I don't mind having two outputs from the player to the receiver. I just don't want to have 2 HDMI cables going to the TV.

If so, which HDFury product should I be getting?
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hi guys, just looking for some guidance.

When hooking up a UHD player to the receiver, I need to use both HDMI outputs on the player.
What I want to be able to do is to avoid having the video HDMI out (on the player) take up another HDMI port on my TV.

Will one of the HDFury products be able to help accomplish this? I don't mind having two outputs from the player to the receiver. I just don't want to have 2 HDMI cables going to the TV.

If so, which HDFury product should I be getting?
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HD Fury Integral.
Thanks for that JD. The product team said I need to get both integral and linker to get HDR and latest 4k picture enchantments.

It confused me. So I thought I'd check here. Any idea what linker does ?
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Thanks for that JD. The product team said I need to get both integral and linker to get HDR and latest 4k picture enchantments.

It confused me. So I thought I'd check here. Any idea what linker does ?
Hadn't heard about it, but from their website comparison (see link below), apparently it provides some features that are missing on the Integral.

https://www.hdfury.com/comparison/
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I have a 4520ci with the dreaded DSP board failure of which are no longer available apparently. Do i have options to continue using this thing? Can i do the 11 channel pre-outs and use external amps or am i SOL? I don't have the budget to replace this thing and its only a few years old. I've already gone down the extended warranty road with amex, and i submitted 2 days to late. My own fault really, forgot i bought it with my Amex. Also wont be buying refurbed every again.

Anyone have any suggestions or recommendations? Is it just time to start saving up for a 6200?
No clue what "dreaded DSP board failure" means but if it cannot be repaired then time for a more current model.
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Unless you've got low efficiency speakers rated for 4 ohm nominal load, the 4520CI will be less than -3dB difference in SPL in terms of power differences in the amp section.
I have the Ascend Acoustics Towers and Horizon with RAAL. They are rated for 4 Ohms but are supposed to be very efficient.
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I have the Ascend Acoustics Towers and Horizon with RAAL. They are rated for 4 Ohms but are supposed to be very efficient.
With high efficiency speakers such as the Sierra Towers and Horizon (around 92dB/W/m) and if you sitting at normal seating distances as well as implementing bass management, the 4520CI should be able to drive your Ascend speakers to reference level.

The need for external amplification by using the 4520CI as a pre/pro is at best questionable.
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No clue what "dreaded DSP board failure" means ...
Ditto. My 4520 is less than two years old and I freak out whenever I read of other people's problems here, but fortunately have experienced zero issues myself. Occasionally I consider reverting back to the 3312 that currently sits in a storage locker as it is worth more as backup than it is on the used market, but I am becoming more comfortable with the 4520 as it is "no more and no less quirky" than the 3312. I have no plans to upgrade to Atmos or 4K so if the 4520 should suffer some failure I'm not sure if I would be less comfortable merely falling back to the 3312 than I would learning the ins and outs of yet another new product line such as the X series.

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No clue what "dreaded DSP board failure" means but if it cannot be repaired then time for a more current model.
Digital Sound Processor, also the HDMI board apparently. It failed and stops or intermittently produces any sound at all, including test tones. No replacements are available from Denon and repair is only from united radio in NJ which would apparently run close to $500.

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Ditto. My 4520 is less than two years old and I freak out whenever I read of other people's problems here, but fortunately have experienced zero issues myself. Occasionally I consider reverting back to the 3312 that currently sits in a storage locker as it is worth more as backup than it is on the used market, but I am becoming more comfortable with the 4520 as it is "no more and no less quirky" than the 3312. I have no plans to upgrade to Atmos or 4K so if the 4520 should suffer some failure I'm not sure if I would be less comfortable merely falling back to the 3312 than I would learning the ins and outs of yet another new product line such as the X series.
I've been using a Yamaha RX-A750 and I'm very impressed with sound I'm getting which surprises me a bit. The downfall is no wide speakers which I'm currently setup for. I'm seriously considering sticking with Yamaha and going with a nice new unit that supports Atmos and repurposing my wides as overheads. Now, if i can still use my 4520ci with an external amp I'll stick with it, but I'm not dumping $500 more into something that has been as clunky as it has been with no gaurantee it'll work consistently after fixing it.
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Digital Sound Processor, also the HDMI board apparently. It failed and stops or intermittently produces any sound at all, including test tones. No replacements are available from Denon and repair is only from united radio in NJ which would apparently run close to $500.


Yeh ... know what DSP means ... rather simply referring to your use of the word "dreaded" as this is not a common problem, however, HDMI boards for any model generally run about $400-$500 to replace when out of warranty.

Also note that United Radio is Denon and Marantz's "factory repair center."
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Yeh ... know what DSP means ... rather simply referring to your use of the word "dreaded" as this is not a common problem, however, HDMI boards for any model generally run about $400-$500 to replace when out of warranty.
I remember Onkyo had a run of unreliable HDMI boards with a high failure rate about five years ago, but I haven't heard of Denon having a similar issue.

BTW JDsmoothie - we're in your "home" town this week, staying near WDW and just did Blue Man Group last night. Just thought I'd say "Hi" before we head back to the gulf coast.

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I remember Onkyo had a run of unreliable HDMI boards with a high failure rate about five years ago, but I haven't heard of Denon having a similar issue.

BTW JDsmoothie - we're in your "home" town this week, staying near WDW and just did Blue Man Group last night. Just thought I'd say "Hi" before we head back to the gulf coast.
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No clue what "dreaded DSP board failure" means but if it cannot be repaired then time for a more current model.
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Yeh ... know what DSP means ... rather simply referring to your use of the word "dreaded" as this is not a common problem, however, HDMI boards for any model generally run about $400-$500 to replace when out of warranty.

Also note that United Radio is Denon and Marantz's "factory repair center."
I didn't mean to imply it was a common problem just one that i thought it might be and dreaded it actually being when i took it in for repair.
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I didn't mean to imply it was a common problem just one that i thought it might be and dreaded it actually being when i took it in for repair.
Ah, understood.

Shipping to the factory repair center generally results in much quicker turn around (days) than if dropped off at a local repair center (weeks); however, knowing you've got a $500 repair bill, you would be much better served putting that towards a more current model that still meets your feature/input/output requirements.
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Happy Sunday! I'd like to get a bluetooth adapter for my 4520. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

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Fed up w/ receiver issues

My daughter is home on Thanksgiving break and so we planned a movie night for her to enjoy the theater. I turned on the receiver to find the dreaded flashing red light (above the power switch) and the unit powers off. I tried factory resets and unplugging the unit with no success. So much for movie night...rats.


Purchasing this product has been a HUGE mistake and disappointment. To date, this unit has had multiple audio channels go bad, lost one of the video out ports and now the unit will not power up. I repaired it less than 6 months ago....what's next to go? From the number of occurrences found while searching google, it appears this is a known issue with Denon products.


Real or over reaction?


Replacement recommendations are welcome.


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Mine has been rock solid since i got it about 2 and a half years ago.

I make sure it is in a well ventilated area AND always have a fan turned on whenever it is on.

It continues to be rock solid ( Knock on wood)!!

Receiver: Denon AVR-4520CI Speakers:Fronts: Polk Rti A7 /Center: Polk csiA6 /Surrounds: Polk Fxi A6 SUB: Rythmik LV12R x2

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My daughter is home on Thanksgiving break and so we planned a movie night for her to enjoy the theater. I turned on the receiver to find the dreaded flashing red light (above the power switch) and the unit powers off. I tried factory resets and unplugging the unit with no success. So much for movie night...rats.


Purchasing this product has been a HUGE mistake and disappointment. To date, this unit has had multiple audio channels go bad, lost one of the video out ports and now the unit will not power up. I repaired it less than 6 months ago....what's next to go? From the number of occurrences found while searching google, it appears this is a known issue with Denon products.


Real or over reaction?


Replacement recommendations are welcome.


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If you've had multiple issues and repairs I would push Denon for a warranty replacement with a newer unit.

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So, I just got a new 4K TV the other day, and come to find out that the 4520 upscales to 4K...who knew??

Seems to do a good job of it as well. As far as I can tell, it's a definite improvement having it on with BRs.
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