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I want to use the zone4 HDMI to my bedroom. All works fine, however when I shut down the main zone and keep the zone4 on, the power draw is still about 120w. When I shut down the main zone and zone 4 the power draw is about 10w, however there is no hdmi passthrough on the zone4 hdmi when I do this. There is hdmi passthrough on the main two HDMI outputs when the unit is on standby.
Does anyone know of a way to get zone4hdmi to passthrough while the unit is in standby?
The other reason is that when the main zone is turned off and zone4 is on, my external amps (main zone) are still on and I can not find a way to turn these off via the denon app on the iphone.
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Yes. Set the "Control Monitor" setting (p. 130) to "Zone 4."



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Anyone here compare the 4520 to an external Dac for Music ? I know I might me expecting to much but I wouldnt mind letting go of my W4S Dac-2 SB/ setup to justify the cost of the 4520

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@mike...

that is SO cool (the outdoor movie thingie)... wish i lived closer to you... smile.gif

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Anyone here compare the 4520 to an external Dac for Music ? I know I might me expecting to much but I wouldnt mind letting go of my W4S Dac-2 SB/ setup to justify the cost of the 4520

If you are using the W4S DAC2 as a stereo preamp and using its HT bypass to external amps and the LR speakers, I'd keep it. If not, sell it.
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@Cinti - Yes, that's exactly the way Zone 4 HDMI works.

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yes, that is how it works... i have it set up that way... ps3, oppo, atv, mac mini and 2 fios boxes connected to the avr... main zone out to theater room... zone 4 out to a tv in another room... works very well... smile.gif

Thanks batpig and ccotenj! And thanks batpig for the English-to-Denon Dictionary. Those of you who spend so much of your valuable time on these AVS forums helping other enthusiasts and would-be enthusiasts are the unsung heroes of this hobby/obsession. We lurkers learn so much from your posts and so many of us don't pop in to thank you for it. We're out here and we appreciate it.

I'm taking the step up to 3D and I need to decide whether to spend the $1,000 on the Denon 5308ci upgrade or just buy a 4520ci. If I go with the 4520ci I'll get two more channels, Dialog Enhancer, and the independent Zone 4 HDMI. The 5308ci upgrade offers "3D Pass through". I'm assuming the 4520ci also offers some processing of the 3D signal that the upgrade does not. I don't see where I'm losing any features if I go with the 4520ci--other than the fact that the 5308ci is the nominal Flagship of the line and it weighs more.

I already have an SVS AS-EQ1 that gives me Audyssey MultiEQ XT(I think 32) for my subs (which is excellent, BTW). I think that if I use the SVS with the 4520 and that sorts out the bass, then all of the filters in the 4520ci Audyssesy can be used for the mids and highs. Hopefully it works this way and will give me even greater resolution. I seem to remember that the filters that Audyssesy uses are not for fixed frequency bands, like a graphic equalizer, but are variable based on the frequencies that need correction. So less filters needed in the lows equals more available for the rest of the frequency range. I don't know if that's right though.

It may be time to tackle the Official Audyssey Thread. That's my definition of a great afternoon!
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I feel crazy even asking this knowing that the source came from a Magnolia HT employee, but better to be safe than sorry.

The Magnolia HT employee commented that for any of their high-end installations using the Denon/Marantz/Arcam they always run video sources straight to the display and audio only to the receiver/pre/pro (thus requiring sources to have multiple HDMI outputs) due to the video processors in these devices (and I was specifically looking at the 4520CI) lifting black levels.

Any truth to this? I presume not, but figured I'd ask the people here that may have this unit.
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If you are using the W4S DAC2 as a stereo preamp and using its HT bypass to external amps and the LR speakers, I'd keep it. If not, sell it.

Yes I have the W4S L&R XLR going direct to my Amp with a Awesome pair of Audioquest Colorados and then using the HT on the W4S Im also feeding the W4S with my SB Duet using a Audioquest Eagle Eye

I have a good chunk of $$ in this setup but it sounds really awesome . I would like to put that money back in my pocket but I really have my doubts if the 4520 will even come close We will see


I was really just looking for a good HT processor since I have a killer amp and dac then read some reviews on the 4520 and decided to give it a try

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Audyssey question:

If I am using the External In RCA inputs (for example, to connect a soundcard in order to run REW), are the Audyssey roomEQ settings applied to the output?

If not, how do I use REW to compare the curves with and without Audyssey?

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Yes I have the W4S L&R XLR going direct to my Amp with a Awesome pair of Audioquest Colorados and then using the HT on the W4S Im also feeding the W4S with my SB Duet using a Audioquest Eagle Eye
I have a good chunk of $$ in this setup but it sounds really awesome . I would like to put that money back in my pocket but I really have my doubts if the 4520 will even come close We will see
I was really just looking for a good HT processor since I have a killer amp and dac then read some reviews on the 4520 and decided to give it a try

I think the real question is: can a digital signal path employing state-of-the-art MultEQ32 room correction, bass management, etc. match, or beat, a pristine analog-only signal path using very good components? This is a very difficult question to answer, and depends on other factors, like your listening room and its treatments. The only way I know would be to audition both systems in your home and make a decision.
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^^^

that was a very gentle way of putting it jerry... wink.gif

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I think the real question is: can a digital signal path employing state-of-the-art MultEQ32 room correction, bass management, etc. match, or beat, a pristine analog-only signal path using very good components? This is a very difficult question to answer, and depends on other factors, like your listening room and its treatments. The only way I know would be to audition both systems in your home and make a decision.

Jerry,

Very good advice smile.gif. I have gone down both roads and I have found that when I tried both with an open mind that digital with XT32 was the way for me.

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for those who are concerned more about "purity of signal/analog paths/killer dacs" than "what you really hear after your room has it's way with it", here is a post from filmmixer that is well worth reading... smile.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1431914/marantz-av8801/780#post_22683233

there are things that "really matter" and then there are things "that only matter in ones imagination"....

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Right. Magnolia does not run the Auto EQ on their demo AVRs as there are too many speakers in the room and it would show preference to that one set of speakers it was used on.
@Johnd0 -
The best way to test XT32 vs. XT is to bring the AVR home and try it with your own speakers.

Thanks -- that explains a lot. No wonder she was so reluctant to discuss the differences in the Audyssey... guess I'll have to get one and try it out.
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I think the real question is: can a digital signal path employing state-of-the-art MultEQ32 room correction, bass management, etc. match, or beat, a pristine analog-only signal path using very good components? This is a very difficult question to answer, and depends on other factors, like your listening room and its treatments. The only way I know would be to audition both systems in your home and make a decision.


Keep in mind one has to also decide if the diffrence in sound is worth the large investment also I was just trying to get a feel on the subject . My 4520 will be here soon and I can decide on my own thanks


Bass Management is also a very nice option which I did miss

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^^^

since you have made a "large investment", i can almost guarantee you that in a "comparison" you'll "prefer" the large investment... wink.gif

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since you have made a "large investment", i can almost guarantee you that in a "comparison" you'll "prefer" the large investment... wink.gif


I think I will have to agree on that with you

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^^^

It was you though, downsizing from the Bryston/Marantz combo and being so much happier with your receivers that has me wanting to try one so. I've read through almost that whole av7005 thread by now and am ready to dive into xt32 and all its glory! (and a much simplified setup)

(and I should have read through that entire thread before I bought the av7005) rolleyes.gif
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This is purely subjective, so take it as you like.

I have a Wyred4Sound DAC2 in a headphone setup separate from my HT. A few months back I figured that I'd check out the HT Bypass function and connected the DAC2 to my A100 (4311). It met my expectation bias, as I didn't expect to find any improvement and did not experience any.

And before anyone comments, it probably isn't doing anything in the headphone setup that any other internal or external DAC wouldn't. My headphone setup is an admitted exercise in subjectivity linked with purchasing cool toys. smile.gif
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^^^

and, it must be said, your headphone setup is WAY cool... smile.gif fortunately, swmbo has only soaked me for the grado ps1000's you talked her into and not the rest of the setup... tongue.gif

for those who may think i'm a heartless objectivist, ask bfreedma where i headed immediately upon walking in the door to his house after he got the w4s dac (as well as when he got the woo headphone amp)... i oooh'ed and ahhh'd over both pieces extensively, and had severe hardware lust (especially for the woo... redface.gif )...

me likey cool toys... smile.gif me also "know" the human condition... wink.gif

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fwiw, i use speakons where i can and bananas/spades for everything else (except a couple bare wire connections in "permanent" installations)... the speakons keep my cats from disconnecting the wires from wall plates... the bananas/spades make it easy to disconnect stuff, as i am in the habit of moving stuff around...

nothing wrong with either approach... bananas/spades just make it easier to connect/disconnect...

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Yes. Set the "Control Monitor" setting (p. 130) to "Zone 4."

Thankyou for the reply. I have this setting already on. I was hoping there would be an answer but it doesn't look like there is one.
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fwiw, i use speakons where i can and bananas/spades for everything else (except a couple bare wire connections in "permanent" installations)... the speakons keep my cats from disconnecting the wires from wall plates... the bananas/spades make it easy to disconnect stuff, as i am in the habit of moving stuff around...
nothing wrong with either approach... bananas/spades just make it easier to connect/disconnect...
link to speakons...
http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/

What do speakons do differently than bananas, and do fhey plug into the standard speaker connnection on a 4520 (or 4311 in my case)?

FWIW small white dogs are just as bad....they used to periodically disconnect my center channel until I got Blue Jeans locking plugs...

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fwiw, i use speakons where i can and bananas/spades for everything else (except a couple bare wire connections in "permanent" installations)... the speakons keep my cats from disconnecting the wires from wall plates... the bananas/spades make it easy to disconnect stuff, as i am in the habit of moving stuff around...
nothing wrong with either approach... bananas/spades just make it easier to connect/disconnect...
link to speakons...
http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/

Thanks, Chris.

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smile.gif
fwiw, i use speakons where i can and bananas/spades for everything else (except a couple bare wire connections in "permanent" installations)... the speakons keep my cats from disconnecting the wires from wall plates... the bananas/spades make it easy to disconnect stuff, as i am in the habit of moving stuff around...
nothing wrong with either approach... bananas/spades just make it easier to connect/disconnect...
link to speakons...
http://www.neutrik.com/en/speakon/

What do speakons do differently than bananas, and do fhey plug into the standard speaker connnection on a 4520 (or 4311 in my case)?

FWIW small white dogs are just as bad....they used to periodically disconnect my center channel until I got Blue Jeans locking plugs...

stuart, the speakons have the effect of a "locking plug", as they "insert and twist" to a locking position... plus they look cool... smile.gif

no avr that i'm aware of has speakon outputs... so nope, no go on connecting to the 4311... i have bananas on the avr end, and speakons on the end that plugs into the wall plates... same deal on the speaker end...

lol... darned small animals... at least i solved the wall plate issue... and i solved the "pull the power cord for the sub out of the wall" issue by making a power cable with a plug that goes into a locking receptical...

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I feel crazy even asking this knowing that the source came from a Magnolia HT employee, but better to be safe than sorry.
The Magnolia HT employee commented that for any of their high-end installations using the Denon/Marantz/Arcam they always run video sources straight to the display and audio only to the receiver/pre/pro (thus requiring sources to have multiple HDMI outputs) due to the video processors in these devices (and I was specifically looking at the 4520CI) lifting black levels.
Any truth to this? I presume not, but figured I'd ask the people here that may have this unit.
I don't like too many video chips in the way so I use the twin hdmi in my oppo 105, one straight to my pro calibrated tv. Cheers
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some examples...

speaker cables with speakons on one end and bananas on the other...







in "action"...



power cords with powercons on one end and plug for locking outlet on the other...









locking outlet...


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Originally Posted by Manchild View Post

I feel crazy even asking this knowing that the source came from a Magnolia HT employee, but better to be safe than sorry.

The Magnolia HT employee commented that for any of their high-end installations using the Denon/Marantz/Arcam they always run video sources straight to the display and audio only to the receiver/pre/pro (thus requiring sources to have multiple HDMI outputs) due to the video processors in these devices (and I was specifically looking at the 4520CI) lifting black levels.

Any truth to this? I presume not, but figured I'd ask the people here that may have this unit.

i have tested the 4520 rather thouroughly for video passthrough, and it passes through the video unmolested, even with "video convert" set to on (in order to get osd overlays)...

as long as the video path is not molesting the signal, there isn't any good reason to make your life difficult... simply pass the video through the avr... that is what i do, using the avr as a switch to feed my radiance... the radiance then performs all scaling/deinterlacing required, applies the cms, and feeds the pj...

if it did molest it, i would not pass it through... i'd matrix it before it even got to the avr... i didn't go through the expense and learning curve of learning to calibrate to end up with screwed up video... wink.gif

- chris

 

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