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I am considering upgrading my receiver and adding an external amp. I have been doing some reading on this forum and other sites and was considering an Emotiva XPA-5, but I stumbled upon the ATI AT1805. They have about the same power output, the Emotiva at 200wpc, while the ATI does 180wpc, but I noticed that the ATI has more capacitance, two transformers, and a longer warranty. The ATI is slightly more money and it's a B stock.

I read some recommendations for the ATI, but it is an older unit and not as well known as the Emotiva. I wonder what you think about it? Thanks for any help.

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Also, how does a used Parasound A52 compare to these? The Parasound is just 125wpc. Thanks again.

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Can you tell us more?

What is the Ohm rating of your speakers?
How loud do you want to listen to it?
How big is your room?
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Can you tell us more?
What is the Ohm rating of your speakers?
How loud do you want to listen to it?
How big is your room?

I have a 7.3 Paradigm system with an Onkyo TX-DS989 receiver upgraded to Version 2. My speaker system consists of 2 Monitor 11 V.2 speakers for LR, 1 CC-370 V.2 for C, 4 ADP-370 V.2 for SR, SL, SBR, and SBL, and 3 PW-2200 V.1 subs. The sensitivity of the Monitor 11's is 94dB, the CC-370 is 90dB, and the ADP-370's is 85dB. All measurements are 2.83V/1m. The Ohm ratings are 8 Ohms nominal, but the Monitor 11's go down to 3.4, the CC-370 to 6.4, and the ADP-370 to 5.1. You can see more of the specs here on Page 4.

My Onkyo does 130wpc x 7. This is only a two channels driven rating. It is a THX Ultra2 receiver.

I currently listen to to my system at reference level and wish to continue to listen to it at this level.

My room is only about 16 x 15 x 7.

I think I need an amp because I blew two tweeters about six years ago and I blew at least one tweeter several weeks ago.

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Btw, I want to upgrade my receiver to either an Onkyo TX-NR3010 or a Denon AVR-4520CI. I also want to upgrade my system to either 9.3 or 11.3. I want to use a 5 channel amp to drive LCR and either FW or FH.

I already bought a pair of Paradigm Mini Monitor V.2 speakers for either FW or FH. I plan on getting another pair soon, if I decide to go to 11.3.

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I have a 7.3 Paradigm system with an Onkyo TX-DS989 receiver upgraded to Version 2. My speaker system consists of 2 Monitor 11 V.2 speakers for LR, 1 CC-370 V.2 for C, 4 ADP-370 V.2 for SR, SL, SBR, and SBL, and 3 PW-2200 V.1 subs. The sensitivity of the Monitor 11's is 94dB, the CC-370 is 90dB, and the ADP-370's is 85dB. All measurements are 2.83V/1m. The Ohm ratings are 8 Ohms nominal, but the Monitor 11's go down to 3.4, the CC-370 to 6.4, and the ADP-370 to 5.1. You can see more of the specs here on Page 4.
My Onkyo does 130wpc x 7. This is only a two channels driven rating. It is a THX Ultra2 receiver.
I currently listen to to my system at reference level and wish to continue to listen to it at this level.
My room is only about 16 x 15 x 7.
I think I need an amp because I blew two tweeters about six years ago and I blew at least one tweeter several weeks ago.

You're right on about the Onkyo causing your tweeters to blow. This is a classic example of "too little amp". It's the distortion/clipping that actually fries the tweeters...

Your L/C go down to less than 4ohms, AND your 4 surround speakers are inefficient....

If it were my money, I'd go ATI.

On paper, the ATI amp is rated slightly lower than the Emotiva. But, ATI is very conservative about its ratings. Although they both rate their amps all channels driven, 20hz-20khz, the ATI has less THD in doing so. ATI also gets points for their 7 year warranty, clean appearance, and stellar reputation.

I have no practical experience with Emotiva amps. I do have practical experience with Sonance Sonamps, which, are made by ATI. And they sound incredible. *very* transparent.
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Btw, I want to upgrade my receiver to either an Onkyo TX-NR3010 or a Denon AVR-4520CI. I also want to upgrade my system to either 9.3 or 11.3. I want to use a 5 channel amp to drive LCR and either FW or FH.
I already bought a pair of Paradigm Mini Monitor V.2 speakers for either FW or FH. I plan on getting another pair soon, if I decide to go to 11.3.

In which speakers are the tweeters blowing?
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Thanks a lot for all your help.
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In which speakers are the tweeters blowing?

Last time it was the C & R. I have to check all my speakers to see which blew this time. I know that the C blew for sure, but I have to check the others.

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You're right on about the Onkyo causing your tweeters to blow. This is a classic example of "too little amp". It's the distortion/clipping that actually fries the tweeters...
Your L/C go down to less than 4ohms, AND your 4 surround speakers are inefficient....
If it were my money, I'd go ATI.
On paper, the ATI amp is rated slightly lower than the Emotiva. But, ATI is very conservative about its ratings. Although they both rate their amps all channels driven, 20hz-20khz, the ATI has less THD in doing so. ATI also gets points for their 7 year warranty, clean appearance, and stellar reputation.
I have no practical experience with Emotiva amps. I do have practical experience with Sonance Sonamps, which, are made by ATI. And they sound incredible. *very* transparent.

I'd have to concur on the ATI amp. I have an Outlaw Audio amp, made by ATI and they really make a great product.
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What do you think about a used ATI AT2505? It's an older model, but it does 250wpc x 5 and it has a 3kVA transformer and weighs 106lbs.

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What do you think about a used ATI AT2505? It's an older model, but it does 250wpc x 5 and it has a 3kVA transformer and weighs 106lbs.
Sounds perfect!
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I just did some measurements and noticed that an AT2505 would have slightly less than a 1" clearance on top. All of the other amps mentioned would have about 2" or slightly more. I wonder if I should still get the AT2505?

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Does your rack have open sides? That is a pretty tight fit, the 1805 might do better in that case plus you'd have the warranty vs used.
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I just did some measurements and noticed that an AT2505 would have slightly less than a 1" clearance on top. All of the other amps mentioned would have about 2" or slightly more. I wonder if I should still get the AT2505?

If it gets too warm, you can add active fans to your case/rack.
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I have an Altra 1175096 TV stand that I bought at Best Buy last year. I can completely open the back. I have other components that I have to put in this, so I cannot adjust the shelves to give it more clearance. The Onkyo receiver will be a couple of inches away from the amp, on the bottom of the stand. The FiOS Motorola 7100.1 cable box, the Sony VCR, the Sony BDP-S790 BD player, and the Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD are going to be on the top shelf.

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I LOVE Emotiva's products, so I like the look of the Emotiva better. I actually have an XPA-5 and an XPA-2 for sale currently only two weeks old brand new and mint. I upgraded to an XPR 5 but I dont have the instruction booklets so they wont take that on return. PM if interested, will give big discount on both.

As for sound quality, they'll sound identical. As long as there is no clipping or distortion and your within the power limits of the amp, there is no audible difference. Unclipped power is unclipped power.
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I wonder if I should just go ahead and purchase the AT2505 and try it out? If it overheats I could always just resell it, assuming I don't damage it. Any problems should manifest themselves quickly, right? It would be a hassle, but I think that amp is a beast. Btw, my Onkyo receiver never gets hot, even when driving all 7 channels at reference level. It only gets slightly warm, so it shouldn't add any heat to any amp that I get.

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How old is the 2505 and how much are they asking for it?

Apparently the 2505 has a 20 amp plug and requires a 20 amp circuit, do you have a 20 amp wall outlet nearby?
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I am getting it for $1,025.00 shipped. I don't know how old it is, but I am assuming that it is about 10 years old, or older, since the latest five channel ATI amps, the AT1805, AT2005, and AT3005, all came out in the early 2000s.

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I have all 20 amp circuits at home. The wall outlet is only a 15 amp outlet, but I can change it. I did some reading on the 2505 and some people claimed to run it on a 15 amp circuit. They said you wouldn't get the most out of it if you did, but that you can do it.

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What do you think about a used ATI AT2505? It's an older model, but it does 250wpc x 5 and it has a 3kVA transformer and weighs 106lbs.

I've had my 2505 running in my set up for at least 10yrs. Never any problems and still love it.
Built like a tank also ....

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I've had my 2505 running in my set up for at least 10yrs. Never any problems and still love it.
Built like a tank also ....

Does it run very hot, or just slightly warm? Do you have a lot of ventilation for it? Do you think that a top clearance of less than 1" is sufficient? The back will be open, but the sides will only have about 1" to 2" of clearance. The stand does have two sliding front doors, so I can place them towards the middle and leave a small opening on each side, one for the receiver and one for the amp.

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Does it run very hot, or just slightly warm? Do you have a lot of ventilation for it? Do you think that a top clearance of less than 1" is sufficient? The back will be open, but the sides will only have about 1" to 2" of clearance. The stand does have two sliding front doors, so I can place them towards the middle and leave a small opening on each side, one for the receiver and one for the amp.

The amp I would say gets pretty warm to the touch but It sits on top of my rack completely open all the way around.
If your going to put it in a tight space I would definitely have exhaust fans on the rear to keep hot air moving out.

Besides water heat is a big no no for electronics.

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The amp I would say gets pretty warm to the touch but It sits on top of my rack completely open all the way around.
If your going to put it in a tight space I would definitely have exhaust fans on the rear to keep hot air moving out.
Besides water heat is a big no no for electronics.

Thanks a lot for this. I will think about this. I may choose another amp because I may not have the space for this. You have it in the top with no obstructions and it still gets somewhat warm. If I get it I could probably use it as an oven or an extra heater in my setup. I will still consider this amp.

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Just curious, you could have the 1805 with a brand new warranty and no 20 amp issues, for the same price as a 10 year old amp. The difference in volume between 180 watts and 250 watts per channel is not even 1 decibel, plus it will run cooler and will fit in your shelf easier. The 2505 is not really any more beefy than the 1805. Why bother?

My experience in reading these "Help me decide" threads is the OP usually ends up doing what he wanted to do all along. So you might as well go ahead and get the 2505 and deal with the heat later!wink.gif
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Thanks a lot for this. I will think about this. I may choose another amp because I may not have the space for this. You have it in the top with no obstructions and it still gets somewhat warm. If I get it I could probably use it as an oven or an extra heater in my setup. I will still consider this amp.

If you look at my profile I have some pics of my older set up. It's pretty much the same besides the Tv and a few other pieces but the amp sits the same on the same stand.
Like runnin said you really can't go wrong with the 1805.

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If you look at my profile I have some pics of my older set up. It's pretty much the same besides the Tv and a few other pieces but the amp sits the same on the same stand.
Like runnin said you really can't go wrong with the 1805.

That AT2505 looks massive in your setup. I will probably just go with the AT1805. It may be too much of a hassle if I go with the AT2505. I don't really want to get a rack or any new stands, and I don't really want to put it on top of a separate table. I have a 55" TV on top of this stand. The TV and the AT2505 would not fit well on top of the stand.

I wonder if I can put it on top of one of my subs? I have three subs and two of them are located on either side of the TV stand. My subs are all Paradigm PW-2200 V.1 and I have all of them calibrated to 85dB.

Can I put a small table on top of one of the subs without having it vibrate too much?

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That AT2505 looks massive in your setup. I will probably just go with the AT1805. It may be too much of a hassle if I go with the AT2505. I don't really want to get a rack or any new stands, and I don't really want to put it on top of a separate table. I have a 55" TV on top of this stand. The TV and the AT2505 would not fit well on top of the stand.
I wonder if I can put it on top of one of my subs? I have three subs and two of them are located on either side of the TV stand. My subs are all Paradigm PW-2200 V.1 and I have all of them calibrated to 85dB.
Can I put a small table on top of one of the subs without having it vibrate too much?

Keep in mind the the 2505 weighs 100+ lbs, not sure I'd want that much weight on my sub.
If the 1805 fits in what you have now just get it.

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Keep in mind the the 2505 weighs 100+ lbs, not sure I'd want that much weight on my sub.
If the 1805 fits in what you have now just get it.

Do you think it would be a very minor downgrade to get the AT1805? Would it not really be that noticeable? I want to keep driving my system at reference. My system is on Post # 4 of this thread, btw.

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Do you think it would be a very minor downgrade to get the AT1805? Would it not really be that noticeable? I want to keep driving my system at reference. My system is on Post # 4 of this thread, btw.

Wow...after reading that you're running 3 subs maybe you need the ATI 3005.
J/K about the 3005 but seriously I don't think its a down grade at all. I never heard anyone complain about the 1805.

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