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This is my first Home theater setup. I have a Samsung 55inch LED TV and a Samsung bluray player already. I am mainly looking for this to watch movies, listen to Pandora, or other music from my Apple devices and some parties once in a while.

I am debating between the two options to buy. Can you please recommend which one you would suggest between these 2?

I don't have a big living room and hence want speakers that are not too bulky.

Option 1

Costco's Bose Acoustimass 6 + Pioneer VSX-822k Receiver Bundle for ~$850 + taxes (of course with costco you get lifetime "satisfaction guarantee" i.e. I can take this bundle back anytime down the road for a return/refund)


Option 2

I am thinking of Energy Take 5.1 Classic speaker set with a Denon AVR 1713 or AVR 2112 (do I lose anything by going with the AVR 1713?) - This will add up to around $850 also (of course without the lifetime warranty/return that I get with Option 1 with Costco Bose bundle). Is this Denon receiver much better than the Pioneer in Option 1?

How much of weightage would you give to the costco return policy? of course I am not buying anything with the intention of returning it but if the bose+pioneer bundle is comparable in quality with option 2 then I think this might be important.

Please advise any pros/cons of going with either option. I realize there are not a lot of BOSE-fans on this forum, but please give me your objective advice on any pros/cons between above 2 options.

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Pass on option #1 as the Bose setup has no dedicated use of the sub. The Energy Take 5.1 setup is often recommended with the Denon AVRs. Whether you choose the 1713 or 2112CI depends on your feature/input/output needs. Review the first few posts in each of the Denon AVR-XX12 and XX13 threads linked in my sig to see a comparison of what each model offers.

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Thanks for the quick and valuable response.

2112 is hard to come by these days. Electronics-Expo says they are out of stock. So checking with them tomorrow to see when they might have it back. Do dealers typically take it off the shelf as soon as the next year models show up?


Also, with the 2112 I can now connect my Wii directly to the receiver using component video?

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More than likely if the 2112CI is out of stock at EE, that means it's no longer in inventory at Denon's warehouse so they cannot order that model anymore as they have been selling the 2113CI for about 4 months now. Call around to the other authorized on-line resellers listed on Denon's website to see if they have any left in stock. And yes, with a single Component video input, the Wii could be connected to the 2112CI. You could also use a Wii2HDMI to connect it to one of the HDMI inputs if needed.

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Thanks JDSmoothie.

Pulled the trigger on 2112 via Amazon but fulfilled thru EE for $455 total. didnt want to wait too long and 2112 go completely out of stock. Also pulling the trigger on Energy Take 5.1 from crutchfiled today. typically it is $399 however they have a "Scratch and Dent" models for $319. Do you have any experience or heard about these models? They say it is minor cosmetic blemishes only not refurb or open box. they anyways have a 60 day moneyback gurantee and speakers have 5 years warranty.

for setting up this puppy, other than speaker wires and receiver to sub-woofer cable, what else would I need to buy?

Any recommendations on brand of speaker wire or rxcr to woofer cable? any specific brand or site forum members typically buy from?

Thanks again for your prompt responses.

This forum is amazing. Can't wait to use the Denon threads to get my unit setup.

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You can get all of your cable and speaker wire needs met through forum sponsor Monoprice ....

Purchase "High Speed" HDMI cables in the length you need, picking up a few extras as well.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240

Sub coax digital cable ....

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236

And speaker wire ... 16 gauge or 18 gauge should be sufficient.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239

You'll also want at least one optical cable as a back up in case there are any HDMI handshakes with a cable/sat box ...

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10229&cs_id=1022901&p_id=1419&seq=1&format=2

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any benefit to going with 14guage wire?

also does brand name matter on this wire or sub-woofer cable?
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Not with speaker wire lengths < 50'. As far as brand name, Monoprice generally sells quality products whereas no name sources perhaps not so much.

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quick question. I had placed an order thru Amazon (fulfilled by electronics expo) for the denon 2112 but they just called me and said they are out of stock and will offer complimentary upgrade to the 2113 model for the same price.

Seems like a no brainer, but just wanted to check if you know of any major issues with the 2113? thoughts?

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Although the 2113CI is the successor to the 2112CI and offers a few new features (ie. Spotify, independent Airplay to Zone 2, 4k upscaling), it also loses a few features (Rhapsody, Napster, Quick Selects on remote, AM radio, 2CH Stereo custom settings, speaker level volume adjustment by the remote). If the gains outweigh the losses, enjoy your new 2113CI. smile.gif

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Can you pls. recommend any good (but inexpensive) speaker wall mount brackets for front/center and rear energy take 5.1 classic speakers?

Also are the front 2 speakers supposed to be at ear level (sitting down) and the center also should be below the tv (if tv is wall mounted)?

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I'd check in the Speakers forum for wall mount bracket recommendations. Ideally the FL/FR speakers should be at seated ear level with the center speaker in line with the FL/FR tweeters.

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What do you mean when you say "the Bose setup has no dedicated use of the sub"

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Hello

you have been very helpful with your quick responses in the past. hence checking back here.

I have a Denon AVR2113CI connected to a Sony Bluray, Samsung HDTV, Dish Receiver/DVR box. Since yesterday the Denon is not powering off. The display shows MAIN ZONE OFF. but Receiver stays powered ON. any ideas on what I can try to fix this?

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Yes. More than likely you have Zone 2 powered ON so power it OFF.

Also you would be much better served posting any AVR related questions in the Denon AVR-XX13 Owner's thread linked in my sig.

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Can you pls. recommend any good (but inexpensive) speaker wall mount brackets for front/center and rear energy take 5.1 classic speakers?

Also are the front 2 speakers supposed to be at ear level (sitting down) and the center also should be below the tv (if tv is wall mounted)?

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You don't need any wall mounts with the Energy Take Classic Satellite speakers unless you want them sitting away from the wall. They have key hole slots in them. I have my rears mounted on a angle in the corners of the wall about 5 ft high with a long wall screw. Works fine. I have the fronts and center sitting on my TV console which sits just below the TV (which is mounted on the wall) so the center is just below the TV and the left and right front speakers sit even with the lower part of the TV on each side about 55" apart and 32 inches high. Again works fine. The sub sits on the front wall in the right corner of the room.

Living room; Samsung UN55F7100 3D LED, Marantz SR5008, Oppo BDP-103, Definitive Mytho's GEM XL, Definitive Pro Center 1000, Definitive Di 5.5R in ceilings, SVS SB-1000 subwoofer, Comcast DVR HD box.

Garage; Sherwood RX-4105 2 channel stereo receiver, Samsung DVD-C500 CD player, Klipsch KG 2.5 med oak speakers
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any benefit to going with 14guage wire?

also does brand name matter on this wire or sub-woofer cable?
No, 16 guage is fine and easier to work with on these small Satellite speakers. I used Monster in wall rated 16 guage speaker wire when i set up my Energy Take Classic speaker system because my local Menards carries it at a good price and i needed it fast. . I also use Monoprice HDMI cables,RCA sub cables and speaker wire with very good results at a very good price.

Living room; Samsung UN55F7100 3D LED, Marantz SR5008, Oppo BDP-103, Definitive Mytho's GEM XL, Definitive Pro Center 1000, Definitive Di 5.5R in ceilings, SVS SB-1000 subwoofer, Comcast DVR HD box.

Garage; Sherwood RX-4105 2 channel stereo receiver, Samsung DVD-C500 CD player, Klipsch KG 2.5 med oak speakers
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Had a question about using a karaoke program and hooking up to a AVR2113CI. should I post here or do you suggest a new thread? I would like to get your intputs.
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