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Getgray created one and its perfect. Get in touch with him here on the forum. He can sell you one.

That is interesting. I wonder if they make one for ATI 3000 Amps?

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I just noticed using the new firmware I am able the use the Web Interface to change Video settings in Pure Direct mode.

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Actually, I plan to rack mount all XPA's and the pre/pro all in the same built-in wall cabinet in my dedicated theater room . Cable lengths would probably be no longer than 3-4 feet. I've never used XLR before but I do really like the idea of differential signaling. If there is no advantage to using XLR for short cables then maybe the AV8801 really is overkill for what I want. My goal is to have a solid 11.2 channel system with XPA's driving them in a dedicated home theater.

Thanks,

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I asked Marantz directly, and was told that the 7701 and 8801 are identical in dimensions.

I ordered the MA 7701 shelf and faceplate, and can confirm that it does fit.

I actually decided to go with the Marantz rack ears, so if anyone wants the Middle Atlantic kit for a good price, let me know.
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Can anyone shoot me a PM where they bought their 8801 BELOW msrp?




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Getgray created one and its perfect. Get in touch with him here on the forum. He can sell you one.

I asked the Marantz rep here in Canada and he told me dimensionally the 7701 and the 8801 are the same. I decided to go with the Marantz rack kit and it looks good. It is the same kit offered for the 7701.
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Got the av8801 installed, connected up the bluray player, amps, projector. go to use my xlr that came with my amp. i ran the room correction, i used a tripod. then watched a dvd.

my first impression is... what did i do, buying the processor????

i was using just the preouts in my old pioneer elite, using the old audyssey. i have to say... i do not see or hear ANYTHING better.

i have only used the room correction and have not went into the menus to fine tune, so maybe there will be more at that point.

I hope this gets better!

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Got the av8801 installed, connected up the bluray player, amps, projector. go to use my xlr that came with my amp. i ran the room correction, i used a tripod. then watched a dvd.

my first impression is... what did i do, buying the processor????

i was using just the preouts in my old pioneer elite, using the old audyssey. i have to say... i do not see or hear ANYTHING better.

i have only used the room correction and have not went into the menus to fine tune, so maybe there will be more at that point.

I hope this gets better!

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Actually, I plan to rack mount all XPA's and the pre/pro all in the same built-in wall cabinet in my dedicated theater room . Cable lengths would probably be no longer than 3-4 feet. I've never used XLR before but I do really like the idea of differential signaling. If there is no advantage to using XLR for short cables then maybe the AV8801 really is overkill for what I want. My goal is to have a solid 11.2 channel system with XPA's driving them in a dedicated home theater.

Thanks,

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I prefer XLR and LOVE the marantz for it. Superior noise rejection and balanced signaling is a definite plus for me!

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Got the av8801 installed, connected up the bluray player, amps, projector. go to use my xlr that came with my amp. i ran the room correction, i used a tripod. then watched a dvd.

my first impression is... what did i do, buying the processor????

i was using just the preouts in my old pioneer elite, using the old audyssey. i have to say... i do not see or hear ANYTHING better.

i have only used the room correction and have not went into the menus to fine tune, so maybe there will be more at that point.

I hope this gets better!

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What are you coming from to the 8801?

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Pure direct for home theater use?

i am coming from a pioneer elite 92 txh.

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Just Received my AV8801 and installed it over the weekend. At the moment, I'm running 2CH with a sub
which front speakers and sub?
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I use both an Oppo BDP-95 and a Cambridge 751BD. So far I've watched parts of a concert and listened to some music.  My first impressions have so far been excellent and very happy with my purchase.  The concert through the Oppo sounded amazing
how is analog sound quality playing CD's through either player? Which player sounds better to you (for analog OUT)? Also, are you using 2ch RCA OUT's? or 2ch XLR OUT's?
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However, I do have a concern with the loss of video signal across a number of sources. The loss of Video happens across all connected devices. I have to keep changing from one source to another until I finally get a picture. Could there be an actual hardware problem with the Marantz
sounds like possible HDMI issue? Have you figured this out ?

Are you from Pasadena Calif?
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Sorry if this has been covered already... I was wondering if this pre-amp has balanced circuitry, or if the signal is converted to balanced at the outputs?
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I prefer XLR and LOVE the marantz for it. Superior noise rejection and balanced signaling is a definite plus for me!
What are you coming from to the 8801?

The problem is that the 8801 is not balanced architecture and therefor xlr connections won't make a beans worth of difference, unfortunately. The reality is that outside of an absurdly "noisy" residence and VERY long cable runs, there's nothing to be gained from an xlr connection sonically. 3-6 ft single-ended interconnects should NOT be introducing ANY noise whatsoever and if there is (noise) it almost certainly is source-derived which won't be helped by either method of connection.

Onward, this has prolly already been addressed, but can digital (SPDIF) inputs be sent to the zones, unlike the Denon 4520?

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Hi guys,

I need some help entering the high-end.

I'm thinking about getting the AV8801 and using two Emotiva XPA-5's and one XPA-3 for power. This gives me the 11 channels and two sub channels or use powered subs and keep those as spare channels for the future.

I really want the AV8801 mainly for the true 11.2 XLR outputs. I probably don't need most of the other features it has (higher res DAC) so please let me know if there is a cheaper alternative that provides two 11.2 XLR outputs.

Will the AV8801 work well with the Emotiva XPA amps?

Thanks for any help you can give me.

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The problem is that the 8801 is not balanced architecture

Bummer, but to be expected I guess.
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^ Yeah, the thing would prolly nearly double in cost.

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The problem is that the 8801 is not balanced architecture and therefor xlr connections won't make a beans worth of difference, unfortunately.

 

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Bummer, but to be expected I guess.

No.  The output is balanced and, if the situation demanded it (very long runs in electrically noisy environs), it would be effective in minimizing the induced noise.  Of course, as mastermaybe adds, it is unlikely to be necessary in most domestic systems.


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No.  The output is balanced and, if the situation demanded it (very long runs in electrically noisy environs), it would be effective in minimizing the induced noise.  Of course, as mastermaybe adds, it is unlikely to be necessary in most domestic systems.

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  • Balanced XLR cables lock
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I prefer XLR because they lock...to me that's a big issues. I hate pulling composite cables out of my pre/pro and amp...for some reason I always feel like I"m going to pull the connector off the unit!

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I'm going to have some pretty long runs, so I think it makes sense to run XLR cables from the pre-pro to the amp (behind the screen) rather than seven long runs of speaker wire.

My amp is fully balanced, but I don't think I'm prepared to shell out for a fully balanced pre-pro. Besides I want to try an eleven ch setup and I believe the marantz-av8801 is the only pre-pro with that many channels.
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Onward, this has prolly already been addressed, but can digital (SPDIF) inputs be sent to the zones, unlike the Denon 4520?

thanks!

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Can anyone shoot me a PM where they bought their 8801 BELOW msrp?




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thanks for the messages for a quote on the 8801...I spent the most time on the phone today with the same shop..ironically that I almost bought the Onkyo 5508 from
They gave me a good price as well as a trade in offer on the 5508

he said something interesting ...that the Marantz would be a "head and shoulders"improvement over the 5508
Whenever I hear those type of superlatives I always wonder

Case in point...and I mentioned this to the salesman...before I bought the Onkyo I went to a local shop and listened to the Integra version ...right next door they had an Anthem statement set up
Did I think the Anthem at almost 3x the price was head and shoulders above the Integra ....no

In fact in home theater I thought they were a close match....The gap was wider in 2 channel music listening

for someone who only has a 5.1 system, listens to 2 channel music and only listens to discrete channels


should I have the expectations of something significant in sound difference( better)?

as part of me is thinking...the 8801 sounds, in this forum ( and looks) great...but I have a perfectly functioning 5508 with 2 years of warranty left through Onkyo


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which front speakers and sub?
how is analog sound quality playing CD's through either player? Which player sounds better to you (for analog OUT)? Also, are you using 2ch RCA OUT's? or 2ch XLR OUT's?
sounds like possible HDMI issue? Have you figured this out ?

Are you from Pasadena Calif?

 

I'm from Australia ;)

 

I use a pair of JBL XPL-200 for my fronts and a Velodyne CHT-12R for my sub.  I hav an external crossover (JBL DX-1) for my front speakers that I'm not using yet because I do not have the room to run the extra amps for the crossover.

 

I think I've narrowed down my loss of video to my Sony TV, which seems to have issue with unsupported video errors.  I've swapped out my HDMI cables and that didn't change anything so it sounds like I might have to get a new TV down the track.  My brother has a newer Samsung 3D TV, which I may try as a trial of elemination.

 

With regards to my Oppo and Cambridge, I have HDMI1 on both players for blurya movie duties and HDMI2+XLR on the Oppo and HDMI2+Analague Stereo Outs on the Cambridge set as secondary sources for analogue listening.  I'll be doing some comparisons over the next week or two and report my findings then.

 

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Is there a setting on the 8801 that let's the surround mode automatically match up to the DVDs audio soundtrack?
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thanks for the messages for a quote on the 8801...I spent the most time on the phone today with the same shop..ironically that I almost bought the Onkyo 5508 from
They gave me a good price as well as a trade in offer on the 5508

he said something interesting ...that the Marantz would be a "head and shoulders"improvement over the 5508
Whenever I hear those type of superlatives I always wonder

Case in point...and I mentioned this to the salesman...before I bought the Onkyo I went to a local shop and listened to the Integra version ...right next door they had an Anthem statement set up
Did I think the Anthem at almost 3x the price was head and shoulders above the Integra ....no

In fact in home theater I thought they were a close match....The gap was wider in 2 channel music listening

for someone who only has a 5.1 system, listens to 2 channel music and only listens to discrete channels


should I have the expectations of something significant in sound difference( better)?

as part of me is thinking...the 8801 sounds, in this forum ( and looks) great...but I have a perfectly functioning 5508 with 2 years of warranty left through Onkyo


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I am not crazy about the Onkyo sound... Having said that, what are your reasons to upgrade?
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This is off their website, kind of laughable how they contradict themselves. So they sell and install products that are referred to in that blog as having inferior audio/video quality?


"Marantz should be a company needing no introduction. They make a variety of superb value audio and home theater products including a number of excellent surround receivers and pre-processors such as the AV7701. The pace of technology in the pre-processors and receivers is rapid and therefore realistically you should be planning on replacing these every 3yrs or so"
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Is there a setting on the 8801 that let's the surround mode automatically match up to the DVDs audio soundtrack?

I think that's essentially normal function for all processors. Assuming for discussion a disk contains multiple formats, the processor sees which one you selected to play based on information in the signal and changes to the appropriate mode...DTS, Dolby Digital, etc.

Just because there is a knob doesn't mean you should turn it.
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I think that's essentially normal function for all processors. Assuming for discussion a disk contains multiple formats, the processor sees which one you selected to play based on information in the signal and changes to the appropriate mode...DTS, Dolby Digital, etc.



That's what my other pre/pre and avr did. I must have missed a setting.
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