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I am a proud owner of the AV8801, MM8077 & M7025 - all three arrive last Thursday. I have a traditional HT 7.1 setup in my family room and Zone 2 stereo audio connected to the M7025 amp. The manual indicates when playing digital sources CD, DVD, etc, there is no output to Zone 2 (Zone 2 works great with Airplay streaming). If I connect the CD with both digital and analogue connections, is there an easy way to change the CD input from digital coax to analogue interconnects on the AV8801 setup menu?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciate.

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No selection is required as only the analog source will go to Zones 2/3. The digital signal will play in the main zone and the analog will play in Zones 2/3 when the CD source is selected.

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Mine does.

Where is this adjust-subs-to-75db screen you speak of? During the Audyssey setup only? Or is it available via the "normal" setup menu?
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Where is this adjust-subs-to-75db screen you speak of? During the Audyssey setup only? Or is it available via the "normal" setup menu?

When you run Audyssey calibration it tells you to plug in the mic first and then when you begin the first thing it does is a level match sweep for the sub o subs and if there level is above 75 db it will allow you time to adjust the subs gain before proceeding to the next step. This can be seen on your display or behind the flip down panel .

Did you go through this step when you did your calibration?
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Oh. I do remember that step. I don't remember it as a "calibrate to 75db" step. I just remember it as the Marantz saying something like "Your sub is too loud for me to calibrate. Turn it down to try again..." And I ended up with the sub dial turned to between 1/4 and 1/3 volume on the sub (much lower than 1/2).

For the times I re-ran the step (after having the sub volume in a range the Marantz liked), I think the step simply said "checking sub level...passed" or something like that.
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jdsmoothie: Just to be clear, if I connect the CD player with both digital coax and analogue interconnects, the AV8801 will automatically send the analogue audio to Zone 2 -- no changes on the AV8801 setup menu are required?

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Mine does.
You had the screen to adjust each sub invididually to 75db? Only screen I received was a standard subwoofer screen where it stated to turn you're subs half way and then he calibration started.


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When you run Audyssey calibration it tells you to plug in the mic first and then when you begin the first thing it does is a level match sweep for the sub o subs and if there level is above 75 db it will allow you time to adjust the subs gain before proceeding to the next step. This can be seen on your display or behind the flip down panel .

Did you go through this step when you did your calibration?

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Oh. I do remember that step. I don't remember it as a "calibrate to 75db" step. I just remember it as the Marantz saying something like "Your sub is too loud for me to calibrate. Turn it down to try again..." And I ended up with the sub dial turned to between 1/4 and 1/3 volume on the sub (much lower than 1/2).

For the times I re-ran the step (after having the sub volume in a range the Marantz liked), I think the step simply said "checking sub level...passed" or something like that.
I never saw a adjust to 75db screen either. It stated turn subs to 50%.

On a side note, I updated yesterday via hardwire and everything went fine.


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I am a proud owner of the AV8801, MM8077 & M7025 - all three arrive last Thursday. I have a traditional HT 7.1 setup in my family room and Zone 2 stereo audio connected to the M7025 amp. The manual indicates when playing digital sources CD, DVD, etc, there is no output to Zone 2 (Zone 2 works great with Airplay streaming). If I connect the CD with both digital and analogue connections, is there an easy way to change the CD input from digital coax to analogue interconnects on the AV8801 setup menu?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciate.

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jdsmoothie: Just to be clear, if I connect the CD player with both digital coax and analogue interconnects, the AV8801 will automatically send the analogue audio to Zone 2 -- no changes on the AV8801 setup menu are required?

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Correct. As long as Zone 2 is turned ON and the CD source is selected.

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Granted, I haven't looked at a bunch of processors since getting the 7005 and previously having an Anthem AVM 20v2. But I'd have thought that most processors today would have the ability to send digital source to zones other than 1. Why does this not seem to be the case?

Just because there is a knob doesn't mean you should turn it.
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Likely due to additional cost required. Virtually every AVR on the market today (save a few to include older Denon and Marantz models like the 7005) cannot pass optical/digital coax to Zone 2.

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You had the screen to adjust each sub invididually to 75db? Only screen I received was a standard subwoofer screen where it stated to turn you're subs half way and then he calibration started.

Did you tell it you had 2 subs connected?


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So i ran the room correction. it set all speakers to -5 or -6, so i am good there. it set my speakers to large, so i went back into the manual speakers set up and switched them to small. but when i went back to the audyssey tab it is still showing the results of the auto config... show it is showing the speakers to large. so is my marantz running my speakers at large or small?

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Did you tell it you had 2 subs connected?
Sure did. During the first setup screen of the whole process. Kal, are you saying the you see a screen where you can adjust the subs individually to 75db? On the Denon I could adjust each sub before audyssey started. It would play a tone and show what each sub is measuring in real time. I then can adjust the subwoofer on the rear dial to match it to 75db.

On a side note. I received the phase error on the center channel just like I did on my Denon. Granted I have checked and rechecked the wiring and it is indeed wired correctly. My understanding is that the reflections from it being inside a cabinet could cause this. What's weird is that I didn't get error on one out of three calibrations. I ran just the first calibration over and over and received the error. The speaker is in fact wired weird internally because checking it with a multimeter on continuity setting gives me a beep when touching the rear of any of my speakers. Then again all my speakers are wired this way.


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On a side note. I received the phase error on the center channel just like I did on my Denon. Granted I have checked and rechecked the wiring and it is indeed wired correctly. My understanding is that the reflections from it being inside a cabinet could cause this. What's weird is that I didn't get error on one out of three calibrations. I ran just the first calibration over and over and received the error. The speaker is in fact wired weird internally because checking it with a multimeter on continuity setting gives me a beep when touching the rear of any of my speakers. Then again all my speakers are wired this way.

FWIW, Audyssey reported phase errors on my rears. To be certain there was no error, I used a battery and a multi-meter and verified that they were correct.

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So i ran the room correction. it set all speakers to -5 or -6, so i am good there. it set my speakers to large, so i went back into the manual speakers set up and switched them to small. but when i went back to the audyssey tab it is still showing the results of the auto config... show it is showing the speakers to large. so is my marantz running my speakers at large or small?

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The Audyssey Setup will always reflect the results after running Audyssey so you can see what you would return to if you wanted to restore these original settings, otherwise, the Manual Setup will reflect those changes you made "after" running Audyssey and will in fact be the "active" settings using by the AVR.

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Sure did. During the first setup screen of the whole process. Kal, are you saying the you see a screen where you can adjust the subs individually to 75db? On the Denon I could adjust each sub before audyssey started. It would play a tone and show what each sub is measuring in real time. I then can adjust the subwoofer on the rear dial to match it to 75db.

On a side note. I received the phase error on the center channel just like I did on my Denon. Granted I have checked and rechecked the wiring and it is indeed wired correctly. My understanding is that the reflections from it being inside a cabinet could cause this. What's weird is that I didn't get error on one out of three calibrations. I ran just the first calibration over and over and received the error. The speaker is in fact wired weird internally because checking it with a multimeter on continuity setting gives me a beep when touching the rear of any of my speakers. Then again all my speakers are wired this way.

These "phase errors" are quite common, however, if the speakers and AVR are confirmed to be wired correctly, as noted in the Owner's manual, simply press "SKIP" and go on to the next speaker. smile.gif

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On my volume i am watching my movies on -5db... that is about 3/4 to max.... and the theater seems loud but not crazy loud, did i miss a setting?

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I would assume that i cannot select different listening (movie) modes from the marantz because my ps3 is doing the decoding or because i am currently watching lord of the rings on blu ray and it is just a losses signal that does not process. am i correct in this?

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Sure did. During the first setup screen of the whole process. Kal, are you saying the you see a screen where you can adjust the subs individually to 75db? On the Denon I could adjust each sub before audyssey started. It would play a tone and show what each sub is measuring in real time. I then can adjust the subwoofer on the rear dial to match it to 75db.

On a side note. I received the phase error on the center channel just like I did on my Denon. Granted I have checked and rechecked the wiring and it is indeed wired correctly. My understanding is that the reflections from it being inside a cabinet could cause this. What's weird is that I didn't get error on one out of three calibrations. I ran just the first calibration over and over and received the error. The speaker is in fact wired weird internally because checking it with a multimeter on continuity setting gives me a beep when touching the rear of any of my speakers. Then again all my speakers are wired this way.

Kal could be thinking of the Pro Calibration, which does have the subwoofer screen. I honestly can't remember if it was there for the regular calibration...it's been five months for me smile.gif

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On my volume i am watching my movies on -5db... that is about 3/4 to max.... and the theater seems loud but not crazy loud, did i miss a setting?

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No. With Dyn EQ enabled, reference volume is set to 0db.
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I would assume that i cannot select different listening (movie) modes from the marantz because my ps3 is doing the decoding or because i am currently watching lord of the rings on blu ray and it is just a losses signal that does not process. am i correct in this?

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Depends on what modes you are trying to select.

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Dynamic eq is set to off.

when i press and hold the "movie" button the only choices i receive are
stereo
multi channel in
multi channel stereo
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so then i go back to the "pure" button and go to auto....

i have no idea what it is playing at as far as an audio decode.
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I installed my 8801 yesterday and I'm having a similar problem to vcampa. I have no video output to the tv (which is connected by component cables) from any hdmi source. If I connect my cable box by component cables I have a picture, if its connected by hdmi I have audio only. Same for my OPPO 105, except the 105 doesn't have analog video outputs so I can't try component cables. I installed the latest firmware, toggled the Pure Audio on and off, no video, only audio from hdmi connections. Looks like I'll be calling tech support tomorrow too.
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I installed my 8801 yesterday and I'm having a similar problem to vcampa. I have no video output to the tv (which is connected by component cables) from any hdmi source. If I connect my cable box by component cables I have a picture, if its connected by hdmi I have audio only. Same for my OPPO 105, except the 105 doesn't have analog video outputs so I can't try component cables. I installed the latest firmware, toggled the Pure Audio on and off, no video, only audio from hdmi connections. Looks like I'll be calling tech support tomorrow too.

Sorry - you can't get there from here. This is a standard problem for all receivers/pre-pros. Actually, it's a DRM issue. They can not and will not convert from HDMI to component video - ever. The other way (component video to HDMI) works fine.

Read page 7 in the manual. The graphics show that HDMI only goes to other HDMI, but that component can stay component or be converted to HDMI.

The key text on page 7 is "This unit cannot convert HDMI input signals to analog video signals"
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The Marantz is happy to up-convert from component-video to HDMI. But it will not down-convert from HDMI to anything less than HDMI. I don't know of any receiver or pre-processor that will.

For my main system (in the living room), the TV is HDMI, so all video is sent using HDMI. And this is where I'm using my Marantz.

But - in my game room - I have an older, component-video based TV. And in that system, I'm using both a PS3 and an Oppo-95. The component video cables from the PS3 and Oppo-95 go to my receiver, and then component video from the receiver to the TV. But - for *audio* - I'm using the HDMI cables to the receiver. And also the 7.1 analog outputs from the Oppo.

My point is - if your TV can't accept HDMI, then you need to use component video for all your video signals. BUT - you still want to take advantage of HDMI from blu-ray players to your Marantz so that you can let the Marantz play the lossless sound. (And a PS3 counts as a blu-ray player...)
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Dynamic eq is set to off.

when i press and hold the "movie" button the only choices i receive are
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multi channel in
multi channel stereo
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so then i go back to the "pure" button and go to auto....

i have no idea what it is playing at as far as an audio decode.

Yes, then that would all you would see as the PS3 is decoding the audio and as you only have a 5.1 setup and the AVR is already receiving a 5.1 signal there are no additional channels to simulate so additional surround modes would not appear as when running a 7.1, 9.1, or 11.1 setup. If you let the AVR decode the audio (ie. PS3 to "bitstream" vice "LPCM") then you would see the audio track being decoded (DD or DTS).

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I installed my 8801 yesterday and I'm having a similar problem to vcampa. I have no video output to the tv (which is connected by component cables) from any hdmi source. If I connect my cable box by component cables I have a picture, if its connected by hdmi I have audio only. Same for my OPPO 105, except the 105 doesn't have analog video outputs so I can't try component cables. I installed the latest firmware, toggled the Pure Audio on and off, no video, only audio from hdmi connections. Looks like I'll be calling tech support tomorrow too.

As Bill notes, the 8801 (and AVRs in general) cannot convert HDMI--> component video rather you either need to connect component video from your source to the 8801 as well or purchase a 3rd party HDMI--> component converter as noted below ...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/770115-REG/KanexPro_HDRGBRL_HDMI_to_Component_Converter.html

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Kal could be thinking of the Pro Calibration, which does have the subwoofer screen. I honestly can't remember if it was there for the regular calibration...it's been five months for me smile.gif
Maybe. I do know it was there on the onkyo and Denon but not on this one. Very odd.


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As Bill notes, the 8801 (and AVRs in general) cannot convert HDMI--> component video rather you either need to connect component video from your source to the 8801 as well or purchase a 3rd party HDMI--> component converter as noted below ...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/770115-REG/KanexPro_HDRGBRL_HDMI_to_Component_Converter.html

That conversion box probably won't work with the Oppo-105. On the page advertising that conversion box it states "Does not support HDMI devices that are HDCP encrypted".

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HDCP stands for High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection. The HDMI outputs of the BDP-105 use HDCP to encrypt the digital audio and video content. The TV must support HDCP in order to decrypt and properly display the content.
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