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Kevin C Brown's Avatar Kevin C Brown 10:46 AM 04-26-2013
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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

The AV8801 has at least one HDMI handshaking issue that I've experienced that seems to be caused by the EDID negotiation. See my post recounting my experience although I don't think my workaround would be desirable in your situation even if it were to work.

I think that in your situation, you would be better served with a USB based firmware update. Please read this post by jdsmoothie on how you can obtain the firmware file and USB update procedure from him. Best of luck.

I wonder of that's what I'm seeing. But in my case, even with no source hooked up, I can't get anything from the 8801 to my plasma. I did try hooking up the BDP-95 to the 8801, and still no joy. But the 95 worked fine through the 7005. (But I send 1080i from the 95 too!)

Yeah, I'll try the USB update. Thanks. (Yeah, was waiting on the Outlaw, oh well ... wink.gif )

My dealer also suggested "borrowing" a cheap display (or PC monitor with an HDMI input) and trying that just to make sure the 8801's HDMI out worked at all.)

RichB's Avatar RichB 11:08 AM 04-26-2013
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I did not know that was even possible!
Any pdf can be saved to iBooks using the arrow ithingy.

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jam88's Avatar jam88 12:17 PM 04-26-2013
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

I wonder of that's what I'm seeing. But in my case, even with no source hooked up, I can't get anything from the 8801 to my plasma. I did try hooking up the BDP-95 to the 8801, and still no joy. But the 95 worked fine through the 7005. (But I send 1080i from the 95 too!)

Yeah, I'll try the USB update. Thanks. (Yeah, was waiting on the Outlaw, oh well ... wink.gif )

My dealer also suggested "borrowing" a cheap display (or PC monitor with an HDMI input) and trying that just to make sure the 8801's HDMI out worked at all.)

I thought of that and forgot to mention that you hook up a PC monitor through HDMI to test it. You may want to open a support ticket with Marantz.
massprince's Avatar massprince 12:49 PM 04-26-2013
8801and oppo 105 problems!
I have a Mac connected to oppo 105 via USB Dac and then oppo connected to B&K reference 70. Using same connection sequence to 8801, I am not getting any subwoofer output. I disabled audessey and used direct on assigned input setting with no success. I also don't want to use airplay, since reproduction on AirPlay sucks. Any suggestions to make subwoofer work
massprince's Avatar massprince 12:52 PM 04-26-2013
Oppo was connected to B&K via XLR cable and also using same connection to marantz
Kevin C Brown's Avatar Kevin C Brown 12:57 PM 04-26-2013
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Originally Posted by jam88 View Post

I thought of that and forgot to mention that you hook up a PC monitor through HDMI to test it. You may want to open a support ticket with Marantz.

I emailed Marantz this morning with the particulars. Will be interesting to see what they say. I also have another possible solution if I can't ever fix the 8801's HDMI output to my plasma. From the player:

a) HDMI 1 to the display for video
b) HDMI 2 to the 8801 for audio

I'm checking in the BDP-95 thread if this is doable. (I.e., are both outputs active at the same time?)

Still would need a monitor to set the 8801 up, but I could get something cheap/small for that and just use it when I need it.
AlxG's Avatar AlxG 01:46 PM 04-26-2013
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

I wonder of that's what I'm seeing. But in my case, even with no source hooked up, I can't get anything from the 8801 to my plasma. I did try hooking up the BDP-95 to the 8801, and still no joy. But the 95 worked fine through the 7005. (But I send 1080i from the 95 too!)

Yeah, I'll try the USB update. Thanks. (Yeah, was waiting on the Outlaw, oh well ... wink.gif )

My dealer also suggested "borrowing" a cheap display (or PC monitor with an HDMI input) and trying that just to make sure the 8801's HDMI out worked at all.)

Kevin,

Not sure if you can feed AV8801 > Panasonic TV via composit cable to help you setup the AV8801 video configuration. Perhaps the HDMI signal path has not been configured yet.
audiofan1's Avatar audiofan1 01:49 PM 04-26-2013
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

I emailed Marantz this morning with the particulars. Will be interesting to see what they say. I also have another possible solution if I can't ever fix the 8801's HDMI output to my plasma. From the player:

a) HDMI 1 to the display for video
b) HDMI 2 to the 8801 for audio

I'm checking in the BDP-95 thread if this is doable. (I.e., are both outputs active at the same time?)

Still would need a monitor to set the 8801 up, but I could get something cheap/small for that and just use it when I need it.

Yes both outputs are active ! I use this configuration with the 105 and 8801 (hdmi 1 to Tv and hdmi 2 to the 8801). And you don't need a monitor for the 8801's setup , just use the flip down panel as it displays all the 8801's functions, I even use it for Audyssey setup so as to not have any unnecessary noise from my display.
Kevin C Brown's Avatar Kevin C Brown 03:27 PM 04-26-2013
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Originally Posted by AlxG View Post

Kevin,

Not sure if you can feed AV8801 > Panasonic TV via composite cable to help you setup the AV8801 video configuration. Perhaps the HDMI signal path has not been configured yet.

Dang, I didn't even think it had one of those, but you're right. The 8801 does have a yellow RCA monitor output. So at least in that case, if I can't solve the HDMI problem, I wouldn't need to buy an additional little display to use HDMI when I wanted to do set up stuff.

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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Yes both outputs are active ! I use this configuration with the 105 and 8801 (hdmi 1 to Tv and hdmi 2 to the 8801). And you don't need a monitor for the 8801's setup , just use the flip down panel as it displays all the 8801's functions, I even use it for Audyssey setup so as to not have any unnecessary noise from my display.

Theoretically, I know I could use the front panel display smile.gif, but I think it would be easier to use that display after I've already become familiar with the regular display output.

The good thing is, if I can't get the problem addressed, this isn't necessarily a show stopper either. Luckily, I don't need the video processing/switching capability the 8801 has.
Mad Norseman's Avatar Mad Norseman 08:30 PM 04-26-2013
Sorry if this question has been asked before, but David Vaughn said in his wonderful Home Theater Magaine review on the Marantz AV8801:
"The video processing can be bypassed by source, so if you want the 1080p/24 signal from your Blu-ray player to be unprocessed but your cable/satellite to be scaled to 1080p, you can customize this in the setup menu".

That's exactly what I want to do - set up the Blu-ray source input to 'pass through' unscathed, while the CBL/Sat source is upconverted from 1080i to 1080p before it reaches my Panny - because I suspect the Marantz will do a better job of that upconversion(?).
But for the life of me, I just can't see how to set it up that way by reading (and re-reading, and re-reading...) the manual, or even just playing around in the menu!
It appears (to me) that its a 'global' setting that does not allow individual selection of how each source's input is treated...but David indicates otherwise.

I'm sure I'm missing something, so where can I find the correct instructions in the manual, or can someone here relate those steps to me please?
Thanks in advance!
jdsmoothie's Avatar jdsmoothie 11:20 PM 04-26-2013
You can set the "i/p Scaler" setting (p. 129 OM) to OFF.
ohyeah32's Avatar ohyeah32 03:41 AM 04-27-2013
I'm starting to warm up to the 8801 a bit more now. Last night I watched the 3D Blu-ray of Jurassic Park, and the 7.1 DTS-HD MA sounded phenomenal! The sounds were all around the room, and while very dynamic, the sound was easy on the ears.smile.gif

The immersive sound, combined with a gorgeous picture, made for a very impressive and memorable viewing and listening experience.

The more I am using the 8801 the more I'm enjoying it.
comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 06:47 AM 04-27-2013
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Originally Posted by ohyeah32 View Post

I'm starting to warm up to the 8801 a bit more now. Last night I watched the 3D Blu-ray of Jurassic Park, and the 7.1 DTS-HD MA sounded phenomenal! The sounds were all around the room, and while very dynamic, the sound was easy on the ears.smile.gif

The immersive sound, combined with a gorgeous picture, made for a very impressive and memorable viewing and listening experience.

The more I am using the 8801 the more I'm enjoying it.



You sound like I did when I first set my 8801 up and I think it's because I was used to the sound of my old pre/pro. Your right about the 8801 for movies it really makes them enjoyable and I haven't watched this many movies in a long time smile.gif glad to hesr your enjoying it.
jmschnur's Avatar jmschnur 08:04 AM 04-27-2013
Are the xlr and RCA outputs both live? I will want to use three or four different amps to implement 9.2 or 11.2. Two are XLR and the other two are RCA.

Both subs are XLR .
krellcoda's Avatar krellcoda 08:13 AM 04-27-2013
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Originally Posted by Kevin C Brown View Post

I wonder of that's what I'm seeing. But in my case, even with no source hooked up, I can't get anything from the 8801 to my plasma. I did try hooking up the BDP-95 to the 8801, and still no joy. But the 95 worked fine through the 7005. (But I send 1080i from the 95 too!)

Yeah, I'll try the USB update. Thanks. (Yeah, was waiting on the Outlaw, oh well ... wink.gif )

My dealer also suggested "borrowing" a cheap display (or PC monitor with an HDMI input) and trying that just to make sure the 8801's HDMI out worked at all.)

I've had issue getting video from the Oppo 95 to 8801 but after trying 3 different HDMI cables, I found one that works (hdmi 1.4). It seems like the 8801 is very finicky on the type of hdmi cable connecting to it.
comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 08:22 AM 04-27-2013
That's strange because I have 3 different HDMI cables going in and out of the 8801, including a $10 one I bought from Wallyworld and haven't had any connectivity or quality issues.
satfam's Avatar satfam 09:01 AM 04-27-2013
I use Monoprice cables and haven't had any problems.
Dave Vaughn's Avatar Dave Vaughn 09:43 AM 04-27-2013
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Originally Posted by Mad Norseman View Post

Sorry if this question has been asked before, but David Vaughn said in his wonderful Home Theater Magaine review on the Marantz AV8801:
"The video processing can be bypassed by source, so if you want the 1080p/24 signal from your Blu-ray player to be unprocessed but your cable/satellite to be scaled to 1080p, you can customize this in the setup menu".

That's exactly what I want to do - set up the Blu-ray source input to 'pass through' unscathed, while the CBL/Sat source is upconverted from 1080i to 1080p before it reaches my Panny - because I suspect the Marantz will do a better job of that upconversion(?).
But for the life of me, I just can't see how to set it up that way by reading (and re-reading, and re-reading...) the manual, or even just playing around in the menu!
It appears (to me) that its a 'global' setting that does not allow individual selection of how each source's input is treated...but David indicates otherwise.

I'm sure I'm missing something, so where can I find the correct instructions in the manual, or can someone here relate those steps to me please?
Thanks in advance!

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

You can set the "i/p Scaler" setting (p. 129 OM) to OFF.

Yep.
Mad Norseman's Avatar Mad Norseman 10:05 AM 04-27-2013
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post


Yep.

Page 129 reads under ipscaler:
i/p Scaler:
Convert the input source resolution to the resolution set.
CBL/SAT - (set to "On"?)
Blu-ray - (set to "Off"?)
(Leave all others at the default setting?)

Analog : Use i/p scaler function for analog video signal:
Analog & HDMI : Use i/p scaler function for analog and HDMI video signal, (select THIS one?).
HDMI : Use i/p scaler function for HDMI video signal, (Or select THIS one?).
Off : Do not use i/p scaler function.
• “Analog & HDMI” can be set for input sources for which an HDMI input
connector is assigned.
• Which items can be set depend on the input source assigned to each
input connector.

I'm sure I just missed something the first time, but I'll try it again tonight...thanks so much for everyone's quick reply!
(I'll report back on my sucess, or failure! wink.gif)

AlxG's Avatar AlxG 11:35 AM 04-27-2013
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Originally Posted by krellcoda View Post

I've had issue getting video from the Oppo 95 to 8801 but after trying 3 different HDMI cables, I found one that works (hdmi 1.4). It seems like the 8801 is very finicky on the type of hdmi cable connecting to it.

What HDMI are you using right now?

It would be nice or get a running list of reasonably priced HDMI cables.
orangeblast's Avatar orangeblast 02:55 PM 04-27-2013
Hello,

When it comes to the Oppo 103 acting as an external video processor, by using it's HDMI inputs, how would it compare to the video processing on the Marantz 8801 pre/pro? I like the idea of the Oppo doing some video processing, but if the Martanz 8801 has equal or superior video processing, then I may just go with the Sony S790 instead.

Thoughts?
Kevin C Brown's Avatar Kevin C Brown 03:55 PM 04-27-2013
I'm also using Monoprice HDMI cables. Ok, got one these yesterday for testing:

http://t.staples.com/skava/static/product.html?type=StaplesProduct&input=%7B%22url%22%3A%5B%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.staples.com%2FLenovo-LI2321s-23-inch-Wide-LED-Monitor%2Fproduct_140303%3Ft%3Dyes%22%5D%7D&t=yes

But it doesn't work either ... But the AV7005 does. So my dealer does think it has a bad HDMI output.

I got the f/w from jdsmoothie (thanks! smile.gif ). But I can't get it to update. I can see the 8801 access the flashndrive, but never goes into the update procedure. Just the firmwares folder on the drive. Weird. So I still plan to try the composite output, and maybe try to update the f/w that way just to try.

My dealer is truly being very awesome about this whole thing. He has another unit ready to be sent to me on Mon.
nezff's Avatar nezff 08:29 PM 04-27-2013
I think I'm liking my purchase of this unit even more. Seeing too many issues with the other camp.
AlxG's Avatar AlxG 11:12 PM 04-27-2013
Installed Mogami 2549 XLR and 2930 Y-splitter cables and at first found them too revealing with thin midrange and lacking dynamics. Once I ran the AV8801 setup and specified XLR output paths, the magic has returned plus lots of top end clarity and air. One thing I've noticed is a relay click when I selected XLR instead of RCA signal path.
WestCoastD's Avatar WestCoastD 11:39 PM 04-27-2013
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Originally Posted by AlxG View Post

found them too revealing with thin midrange and lacking dynamics
compared to a brand of XLR interconnects use previously on the AV8801?
mookie b's Avatar mookie b 01:17 AM 04-28-2013
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Originally Posted by AlxG View Post

Installed Mogami 2549 XLR and 2930 Y-splitter cables and at first found them too revealing with thin midrange and lacking dynamics. Once I ran the AV8801 setup and specified XLR output paths, the magic has returned plus lots of top end clarity and air. One thing I've noticed is a relay click when I selected XLR instead of RCA signal path.

I never did this....specified xlr in the setup menu. It just worked. Does going through the setup menu do anything? I also heard the relay clicks....
dreyfusfabrini's Avatar dreyfusfabrini 05:04 AM 04-28-2013
Greetings to all of you!

I currently own a Marantz AV7005 with an Anthem MCA50. I'm considering the possibility of selling the AV7005 in order to buy the AV8801 (and I'll certainly do it!). Do you think it's worthy selling the Anthem MCA50 as well, and get the Marantz amp, the MM8077?

I have 5 speakers, Monitor Audio GS60 as front, GSLCR in the center and GSFX as surrounds.

Thanks in advance!!!! smile.gif

Regards,

Dreyfus
comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 05:35 AM 04-28-2013
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Greetings to all of you!

I currently own a Marantz AV7005 with an Anthem MCA50. I'm considering the possibility of selling the AV7005 in order to buy the AV8801 (and I'll certainly do it!). Do you think it's worthy selling the Anthem MCA50 as well, and get the Marantz amp, the MM8077?

I have 5 speakers, Monitor Audio GS60 as front, GSLCR in the center and GSFX as surrounds.

Thanks in advance!!!! smile.gif

Regards,

Dreyfus



Hi, personally I would never give up your Anthem amp, it has more power than the Marantz 8077 and by all accounts a great amp. Why don't you just add a 2 channel amp if you want more speakers?
avman09's Avatar avman09 07:05 AM 04-28-2013
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Originally Posted by dreyfusfabrini View Post

Greetings to all of you!

I currently own a Marantz AV7005 with an Anthem MCA50. I'm considering the possibility of selling the AV7005 in order to buy the AV8801 (and I'll certainly do it!). Do you think it's worthy selling the Anthem MCA50 as well, and get the Marantz amp, the MM8077?

Thanks in advance!!!! smile.gif

Regards,

Dreyfus

If you think the Marantz looks nicer and that's important to you then it is worth it otherwise no, you will end up with a little bit less power and money for no other reasons.
jrhooper1963's Avatar jrhooper1963 07:42 AM 04-28-2013
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Originally Posted by dreyfusfabrini View Post

Greetings to all of you!

I currently own a Marantz AV7005 with an Anthem MCA50. I'm considering the possibility of selling the AV7005 in order to buy the AV8801 (and I'll certainly do it!). Do you think it's worthy selling the Anthem MCA50 as well, and get the Marantz amp, the MM8077?

I have 5 speakers, Monitor Audio GS60 as front, GSLCR in the center and GSFX as surrounds.

Thanks in advance!!!! smile.gif

Regards,

Dreyfus

Don't do it !! The Anthem amp is a better amp .
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