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I will run audyssey again....i would imagine it will set them to full range as it did for my 804. crossover setting after the fact and possibly setting the mains to full plus sub was another option.... Just curious on what others would try.


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Careful! you know how good the 105 direct can sound and especially now that you have that sweet sounding Halo amp wink.gif have you tried the balanced inputs to the Halo as its one amp that indeed kicks up the sound a notch or two and is very noticeable in soundstage height and instrument separation and an overall quieter background. This should be good, as now you will know just how good of a 2/ch pre the 8801 is in Pure Direct ! I find it more than competent in this role and I'm floored by its performance against the 105 direct to my Halo A21 smile.gif

The A51 has a balanced switch which when set optimizes the S/N and increases the volume significantly.
There sound is definitely brighter using the XLR's from the BDP-105 although I am not sure if it is the Oppo or the Halo amp or both.

I look forward to the return of my AV8801 to compare it again.
But when I configure the AV8801 in Game Mode, turn off all video processing and HDMI stuff, it is transparent to the source, which is just what I am looking for. smile.gif

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The A51 has a balanced switch which when set optimizes the S/N and increases the volume significantly.
There sound is definitely brighter using the XLR's from the BDP-105 although I am not sure if it is the Oppo or the Halo amp or both.

I look forward to the return of my AV8801 to compare it again.
But when I configure the AV8801 in Game Mode, turn off all video processing and HDMI stuff, it is transparent to the source, which is just what I am looking for. smile.gif

- Rich

Sweet! Halo's do need sufficient time to burn in to sound their best! and yes there is the 4-6db increase to account for when switching from the rca connection, give it time to settle! even with the large amount of silver hybrid cables on both my speaker and balanced cables and that Silverstar fuse! wink.gif I find the presentation tonally rich and not bright at all, very pristine on the highs , winds and bells are sweeping with clarity and cymbals track with superb resolution and aren't the least bit one dimensional but articulant. brass and strings have a byte without sounding strident but realistic! As you can tell I love this amp!

Good luck with your new endeavor!
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Sweet! Halo's do need sufficient time to burn in to sound their best! and yes there is the 4-6db increase to account for when switching from the rca connection, give it time to settle! even with the large amount of silver hybrid cables on both my speaker and balanced cables and that Silverstar fuse! wink.gif I find the presentation tonally rich and not bright at all, very pristine on the highs , winds and bells are sweeping with clarity and cymbals track with superb resolution and aren't the least bit one dimensional but articulant. brass and strings have a byte without sounding strident but realistic! As you can tell I love this amp!

Good luck with your new endeavor!

The Halo is a fantastic amp. I am very happy with it.
At best, I will get my AV8801 back late next week. That will be 3 weeks for the repair. Argghh.

I am not sure about break-in but I will say that the Parasound and ATI both told me that their amps break in and open up.
The ATI3000 was also a great amp.

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Hi Dave,

I know you were worried about the temperature of your components with the addition of the Parasound Halo amps, did you find a good fan solution?

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Not yet. It's on my to do list. It never gets over 108 degrees, which should be acceptable but not ideal.

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The Halo is a fantastic amp. I am very happy with it.
At best, I will get my AV8801 back late next week. That will be 3 weeks for the repair. Argghh.

I am not sure about break-in but I will say that the Parasound and ATI both told me that their amps break in and open up.
The ATI3000 was also a great amp.

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Rich have you ever owned a regular Parasound amp? I'm wondering what the differences are with the Halo. I have an HCA1500 and it just does not have the bottom end that my Sunfire has and it ran very hot. What happened to your ATI amp?
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Not yet. It's on my to do list. It never gets over 108 degrees, which should be acceptable but not ideal.

I'm around 98 degrees as my 8801 is on the top shelf and on 24/7, but early on it was indeed higher! I'm sure it peaks over a hundred and I for one would give it good ventilation just to be safe!
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Rich have you ever owned a regular Parasound amp? I'm wondering what the differences are with the Halo. What happened to your ATI amp?

No the Halo A51 is my first Parasound.
The ATI had transformer hum which seems to have been due to something about my power/environment.
The Outlaw 7500 and the A51 have no hum issues.

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No the Halo A51 is my first Parasound.
The ATI had transformer hum which seems to have been due to something about my power/environment.
The Outlaw 7500 and the A51 have no hum issues.

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I was just wondering good luck with the Halo smile.gif
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I was just wondering good luck with the Halo smile.gif

Thanks. I am enjoying the amp.

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I'm around 98 degrees as my 8801 is on the top shelf and on 24/7, but early on it was indeed higher! I'm sure it peaks over a hundred and I for one would give it good ventilation just to be safe!

That's my plan. Just haven't had any time to devote to it...I have two reviews due in short order and those take first priority.

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That's my plan. Just haven't had any time to devote to it...I have two reviews due in short order and those take first priority.

I hear ya!
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That's my plan. Just haven't had any time to devote to it...I have two reviews due in short order and those take first priority.

I was a bit surprised at how warm the AV8801 gets (especially at its rear/left), so got a pair of these:
http://www.coolerguys.com/codublfancoc.html
I have them sitting atop the rear of my AV8801 out of sight blowing out the rear of my cabinet which is open on that level, and they're controlled by the cabinet fan controller located in the amp space below (with a programable 'fan on' temp & 'fan off' temp settings), and they've all worked flawlessly.
The Emotiva XPR-5 runs surprisingly cool, so its really the Cisco/Xfinity HDDVR that puts out the heat down there!
Both areas of the cabinet are behind hinged glass doors.

Here's what I have for the amp/HDDVR cabinet cooling in the cabinet section below:
http://www.coolerguys.com/840556099062.html
And the LED programable controller:
http://www.coolerguys.com/840556090885.html
(only an added $22 when bought with the 140mm cabinet cooling fan).

All together they work great.
Here's the set up for a better feel of what's going on:

The Insane Pink Care Bear's Home Theater Set Up:

Marantz AV 8801 Processor, Emotiva XPR-5 Amplifier, Panasonic 65" ST30 Plasma, Yamaha BD-S2900 Blu-ray, Yamaha CDC-697 CD Player, Yamaha TT-500U Turntable, w/Signet TK5e, JBL ES100 Fronts, JBL LC2 Center, JBL ES30 Surrounds & 2 JBL ES250P Subwoofers
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Hey everyone,

I've been experiencing static noise out of my center channel speaker while watching ESPN HD. Only on Sportscenter, Pardon the Interuption and some other programming. Not on commercials. I have Directv. My speakers are Martin Logan Spires, Stage Center, and Depth I sub with Polk Surrounds. My Preamp is a Marantz AV8801 and My amp is an Emotiva XPA-5. I've called directv 2x and they have yet to fix the issue. Its obviously an ESPN hd issue as I don't experience the problem with any other channel or source. Has anyone experienced this?
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i have it wile watching HBO .
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I was a bit surprised at how warm the AV8801 gets (especially at its rear/left), so got a pair of these:
http://www.coolerguys.com/codublfancoc.html
I have them sitting atop the rear of my AV8801 out of sight blowing out the rear of my cabinet which is open on that level, and they're controlled by the cabinet fan controller located in the amp space below (with a programable 'fan on' temp & 'fan off' temp settings), and they've all worked flawlessly.
The Emotiva XPR-5 runs surprisingly cool, so its really the Cisco/Xfinity HDDVR that puts out the heat down there!
Both areas of the cabinet are behind hinged glass doors.

Here's what I have for the amp/HDDVR cabinet cooling in the cabinet section below:
http://www.coolerguys.com/840556099062.html
And the LED programable controller:
http://www.coolerguys.com/840556090885.html
(only an added $22 when bought with the 140mm cabinet cooling fan).

All together they work great.
Here's the set up for a better feel of what's going on:


The 8801 does run pretty warm for a pre/pro I have a fan blowing on it when it's in use. I don't use it when I watch TV though only for music and movies. Nice setup by the way smile.gif
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I had a similar issue but I was using the RCA 12V remote control out. The root cause was that some of the zones were on when I turned power off to standby mode and that confused my universal remote when it learnt the commands. Tried making sure all zones are off and then verify the zone select is selected on the main zone before turn the 8801 off.

This was exactly it - ZONE2, ZONE3, and ZONE4 were all on (didn't even think of that as we haven't used any of them). If one of those is on along with MAIN and you go to standby, only MAIN goes to standby. Turned them all off and the trigger is working as expected. Thanks for weighing in, it was driving me crazy.
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That Emotiva looks great. How do you like it?

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Thanks RichB!
Here's another image stepping back a bit of the whole left/front of the system (glass doors weren't fully in place yet).

The Emotiva XPR-5 has been a beautiful performer.
I was vacillating between the Parasound Halo A51 and the Emo XPR-5, but ended up with the Emo and have been very happy with its performance. The Halo A51 is a sweet amp, but this just does it for me. Also, at $2,000 vs. $4,500 I just couldn't justify the hefty markup either...
No coloration in the sound that I can tell, and reference quality construction throughout.
VERY heavy (94 lbs), and later if I expand to 7.1, I'll add the Emo XPR-2 to the top shelf of that lower cabinet, and move the Comcast/Cisco HDDVR to the very top.
At 400 watts per channel (x5) I also know that I'll never run out of juice too!
The ONLY thing about it that I'm not crazy about is that it turns on and off with a relatively noticeable relay 'double click'.
No trigger issues with the AV8801 as reported elsewhere with other amps, but that's probably an AV8801 problem.
I have them connected with Blue Jean XLR cables. nice and snug fit at both ends.

Here's that second image:

The Insane Pink Care Bear's Home Theater Set Up:

Marantz AV 8801 Processor, Emotiva XPR-5 Amplifier, Panasonic 65" ST30 Plasma, Yamaha BD-S2900 Blu-ray, Yamaha CDC-697 CD Player, Yamaha TT-500U Turntable, w/Signet TK5e, JBL ES100 Fronts, JBL LC2 Center, JBL ES30 Surrounds & 2 JBL ES250P Subwoofers
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The 8801 does run pretty warm for a pre/pro I have a fan blowing on it when it's in use. I don't use it when I watch TV though only for music and movies. Nice setup by the way smile.gif

How's the Emotiva XPR goes? Like to know some users feedback..they look promising..
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Thanks RichB!
Here's another image stepping back a bit of the whole left/front of the system (glass doors weren't fully in place yet).

The Emotiva XPR-5 has been a beautiful performer.
I was vacillating between the Parasound Halo A51 and the Emo XPR-5, but ended up with the Emo and have been very happy with its performance. The Halo A51 is a sweet amp, but this just does it for me. Also, at $2,000 vs. $4,500 I just couldn't justify the hefty markup either...
No coloration in the sound that I can tell, and reference quality construction throughout.
VERY heavy (94 lbs), and later if I expand to 7.1, I'll add the Emo XPR-2 to the top shelf of that lower cabinet, and move the Comcast/Cisco HDDVR to the very top.
At 400 watts per channel (x5) I also know that I'll never run out of juice too!
The ONLY thing about it that I'm not crazy about is that it turns on and off with a relatively noticeable relay 'double click'.
No trigger issues with the AV8801 as reported elsewhere with other amps, but that's probably an AV8801 problem.
I have them connected with Blue Jean XLR cables. nice and snug fit at both ends.

Here's that second image:

Glad to know..do you mind to check if there's any hissing sound from the combo you have there? You might need to put your ears to the speaker tweeter. Leave the volume at moderate. I am planning to have a similar one hence it concerns me as i cant live with hiss frown.gif
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HiFi4Hobby,
I've tested everything already, and no hiss, and no hum - even at moderately high volume settings (say, -18.0db).
Before getting everything purchased and in place (last January), I paid quite a bit of attention to others with similar plans, speakers or amps, and noted every time someone reported hiss or hum, and what they did to cure it. I was paranoid about that before I started, but as it turned out I didn't need to fret about it because all is dead quiet.

I made sure power cords and source interconnects, etc. were separated, and the coaxial cable TV feed was properly isolated and so on.
The Emotiva XPR series of refernence amps have a gain of 29db so using the THX standard helps too.
The JBLs are rather efficient, but no hiss from them either.
I lucked out, or just was very careful in set up(?).
BTW, the Emo is plugged into its own dedicated 20 amp circuit/outet, as is the AV8801 and all source components into another.
The Panny 65ST30 and right side subwoofer share a 3rd dedicated circuit/outlet of 15 amp rating.

Here's a shot of the right side:

The Insane Pink Care Bear's Home Theater Set Up:

Marantz AV 8801 Processor, Emotiva XPR-5 Amplifier, Panasonic 65" ST30 Plasma, Yamaha BD-S2900 Blu-ray, Yamaha CDC-697 CD Player, Yamaha TT-500U Turntable, w/Signet TK5e, JBL ES100 Fronts, JBL LC2 Center, JBL ES30 Surrounds & 2 JBL ES250P Subwoofers
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Thinking of getting the 8801 PRE and 7055 AMP will this be enough power for my 5.1 system?

Small living room with vaulted ceilings one wall open to dining room

Speakers are Paradigm Millenia 30's for LCR with ADP's for surrounds and a Rythmik sub. All the speakers are wall mounted except the sub.

I have a 20 year old Denon reference AMP that could power the rear surrounds but I'm guessing I would not need it.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.


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My P65VT50 is calibrated and has priority in the video path, which is bypassed to the P65. But which of my devices has the better video processing circuit: Oppo 105, AV8801 or the P65VT50? I see little difference so why burden the other components with video?

I would give the upper hand to the Oppo 105 with it's Marvell Qdeo video processing technology. It's one of the best single chip video solutions to emerge in the last few years that can be included amongst a handful of top tier single chip video processors. I would certainly use the 105 for DVD playback (mostly because of de-interlacing, up-scalling and noise reduction). In second place I would favor the Panny 65VT50 to handle your processing as it has very capable video processing and lastly the AV8801. That would be my personal preference but you should really experiment and see for yourself what gives you the best results under different scenarios. Have fun. smile.gif
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I've connected my HDMI cables directly to my display (panny 65VT50) and have audio via toslink to the 8801 from my components.

I leave the audio return channel(HDMI 2) on the display connected via HDMI. This is to facilitate reading 8801 menus and audio from the Panasonic apps such as Amazon prime.

Here's where I'm having a problem. The audio return channel is over riding the toslink signal which is a problem in that it reduces DD 5.1 to 2 channel.

Does anyone know of a work around so that the toslink connections take priority for those components?

Jim,

According to the HDMI 1.4 spec, ARC supports the same audio formats that can be sent through S/PDIF audio connections, i.e. Dolby Digital, DTS and stereo PCM. It sounds as if there's an issue with the ARC implementation on the Panny 65VT50 or the AV8801 that is down-mixing the DD 5.1 received through ARC to stereo. Maybe someone on the VT50 owner's thread can confirm that ARC works as it should.

First, make sure that your ARC is properly setup on the AV8801:
In the Video | HDMI Setup menu:
Set “HDMI Control” to “On”
Set “Control Monitor” to match the number of the HDMI MONITOR (1 or2) connector connected to the TV that supports the ARC function.

If this doesn't work as it should, you may want to open support tickets with Panny and/or Marantz.

As a work around, after having done the setup above, try selecting the "TV Audio" input from the remote to see if that works.

Another thing you can try: go to the Inputs | Input Select menu and set the "Input Mode" option to "Digital".

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I've connected my HDMI cables directly to my display (panny 65VT50) and have audio via toslink to the 8801 from my components.

I leave the audio return channel(HDMI 2) on the display connected via HDMI. This is to facilitate reading 8801 menus and audio from the Panasonic apps such as Amazon prime.

Here's where I'm having a problem. The audio return channel is over riding the toslink signal which is a problem in that it reduces DD 5.1 to 2 channel.

Does anyone know of a work around so that the toslink connections take priority for those components?

AFAIK, Panasonic as well as some other brands will only pass 2.0 over the ARC connection, rather you must connect an optical cable from the TV to AVR to pass DD 5.1.

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Jim,

According to the HDMI 1.4 spec, ARC supports the same audio formats that can be sent through S/PDIF audio connections, i.e. Dolby Digital, DTS and stereo PCM. It sounds as if there's an issue with the ARC implementation on the Panny 65VT50 or the AV8801 that is down-mixing the DD 5.1 received through ARC to stereo. Maybe someone on the VT50 owner's thread can confirm that ARC works as it should.

First, make sure that your ARC is properly setup on the AV8801:
In the Video | HDMI Setup menu:
Set “HDMI Control” to “On”
Set “Control Monitor” to match the number of the HDMI MONITOR (1 or2) connector connected to the TV that supports the ARC function.

If this doesn't work as it should, you may want to open support tickets with Panny and/or Marantz.

As a work around, after having done the setup above, try selecting the "TV Audio" input from the remote to see if that works.

Another thing you can try: go to the Inputs | Input Select menu and set the "Input Mode" option to "Digital".

Good luck!

Thanks, I'll give that a try.

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AFAIK, Panasonic as well as some other brands will only pass 2.0 over the ARC connection, rather you must connect an optical cable from the TV to AVR to pass DD 5.1.

I had heard something about that 2 channel ARC problem but thought it was restricted to Amazon Prime and maybe some others. Problem with running an optical cable is that I'm all out of optical ins on the 8801. They only give you 2 toslinks and 2 coax digital ins. I guess I could get a converter but would rather have a clean setup. Sure wish Marantz had put more than 2 optical inputs on this preamp.

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I am having an issue with my Cable Box and the AV8801 When watching HD ch I'm getting artifacts in the picture < using HDMI into 8801 > If I run the HDMI direct to TV from Cable Box and use optical for audio I have no issue .

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A Source-Select how-to for you 8801 gurus:

Daughter is graduating and we are having a open house party for her. Wife wants me to play a slideshow on the projection screen and play music as well.

Problem is slideshow will come from one HDMI source (media player "playing" jpg files from NAS), and sound will come from a different HDMI source (e.g. cable box music channel). I use the 8801 as my HDMI switch so all inputs go into it, then out to my Lumagen XS and then to the projector.

Is there a way I can have the 8801 send video out from one HDMI source and play audio from a different HDMI source. I could reroute the video HDMI to the Lumagen direct and switch it's input, but I don't want to pull the rack and rewire.

Didn't think I could, but thought one of you might know a workaround...

Thanks, Scott
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