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Likely yes, as that feature is on the SR6007, SR7007 and AV7701.

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Likely yes, as that feature is on the SR6007, SR7007 and AV7701.

I hadn't realized that. Excellent news. Thanks!

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All if these 'apple and orange' comparisons? The 8801 is going to be great and worth the wait, however it isn't worth $3,199.
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Some of the details that I was able to get after getting the picture are:
1) This unit will definitely have Audyssey Mult XT32.
2) There is an HDMI matrix switch built in to the unit just like the one on the Denon AVR-4520CI.
3) This unit does have 32/192 DAC's.
4) The retail price is slated at $3199 right now. This could go up slightly by December/January time frame but it won"t be any higher than $3499.
5) All of the same network features that the AV-7701 will be in the 8801 as well as some "special" network features.
That's all for now.


Special Network features..... DSF streaming?
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All if these 'apple and orange' comparisons? The 8801 is going to be great and worth the wait, however it isn't worth $3,199.

That depends. I'm a long time Lexicon user tired of waiting for a new product. I love my AV7005, but I'm willing to pay extra for a premium product (not that the AV7005 isn't a great product)
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The $3,200 - $3,400 prices being quoted here are 2 X (+/-) the $1,699 price of the new 7701.

They just aren't realistic.
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For a flagship product, I don't think 2x is unreasonable.

Not sure if you recall what Denon's AVP-A1s cost over the equivalent 4810 at that time.
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I really think we can't criticize the price until we know the exact specs though...
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OK! Solid evidence! Buying this smile.gif

I hope to second that!
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It's got pretty much everything I have in my wish list over my 4810 except the following:
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The $3,200 - $3,400 prices being quoted here are 2 X (+/-) the $1,699 price of the new 7701.
They just aren't realistic.

No different than the Denon 3313CI ($1199) vs 4520CI ($2499).

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Hey, my only point is, I don't think the 8801 is going to be a big seller at $3,000 +.
It appears to be a great item, however, it just isn't worth that kind of money.
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Simple SU; you seem to be the one who is most plugged in here, what do you think about a $3,200 to $3,400 price tag for the 8801? Great hi-res picture, by the way.
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This is just my chiming in randomly from reading around so it's not the most informed opinion. In terms of cost, I think the 8801 is aiming more for people who would buy ultra high end instead such as McIntosh, Classe, Mark Levinson, etc. In comparison to those marks, the Marantz is a bargain. It has 11.2 full balanced out which is something I haven't seen anywhere else and it's the only Marantz (for now) to include Audessy XT32. I would guess this is geared for those who want the full super surround that 11.2 provides while using balanced outputs and have the highest end calibration for your ultimate surround sound experience. Compare it was the 4520 for example and you lose the amplifier but gain full balanced outs. I've also heard that the DAC is 32 bit vs 24. TL;DR maybe worth the price?

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Just realized I reiterated a lot of stuff already said and tunnel vision replied to the last post. Sorry about that.

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My personal opinion is that the Marantz will be a bargain at the price point that they settle on. If you look at the market for separates right now, there is nothing out that will do what the Marantz will do. The Integra processor does 9.2 at a decent price point but I would say that I like the sound of the AV-7005/7701 better than the sound of the Integra and now they are putting out an 11.2 processor with all of the bells and whistles that are available and even better sound than the AV7005/7701. I will be first in line to put this thing in my showroom and in my house.
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My own opinion is that $3000 - 4500 price bracket is virtually empty and the AV8801 will fill that gap perfectly. Onkyo napping on release of a 5510 processor is just the icing on the cake for D&M.
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From the looks of the pictures does it have the copper clad case inside and any info on the power transformers, the price is set in a place where I didn't want to spend but given what it does and construction the extra $500-600 is not bad for what I hope will be a solid return investment.
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From the looks of the pictures does it have the copper clad case inside and any info on the power transformers, the price is set in a place where I didn't want to spend but given what it does and construction the extra $500-600 is not bad for what I hope will be a solid return investment.

I don't quite understand what you mean when you hope the 8801 "will be a solid return investment". I've never found any A/V component to be a solid investment wink.gif. What will a copper clad case give inregard to overall performance and SQ?

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Copper cladding reduces external interference. In most environments, it'll reduce an inaudible noise source to an even lower inaudible level. In some situations, I suspect it'll be greatly welcomed (along with the balanced inputs and outputs) -- specifically, by those people who have to live near a radio or TV transmitting tower. Many current-generation home electronics devices have only plastic cases, which provide no protection whatsoever against high-powered EMI.

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Well, there are plenty of AVRs available at less than 1/10 the price of the 8801 which can tide you over until it's available!

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Copper cladding reduces external interference. In most environments, it'll reduce an inaudible noise source to an even lower inaudible level. In some situations, I suspect it'll be greatly welcomed (along with the balanced inputs and outputs) -- specifically, by those people who have to live near a radio or TV transmitting tower. Many current-generation home electronics devices have only plastic cases, which provide no protection whatsoever against high-powered EMI.

So if it reduces inaudible external interference to even lower inaudible levels what is the upside other than more expense added? How many AVRs or prepros have plastic cases? To me a copper clad chassis is a feature that will add nothing in the way of audio quality. Of course as you point if one lives near a radio or TV transmitting tower. But at that point inaudible noise might be the least of ones worries wink.gif.

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So if it reduces inaudible external interference to even lower inaudible levels what is the upside other than more expense added? How many AVRs or prepros have plastic cases? To me a copper clad chassis is a feature that will add nothing in the way of audio quality. Of course as you point if one lives near a radio or TV transmitting tower. But at that point inaudible noise might be the least of ones worries wink.gif.
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I don't know if I am in the minority here but a quiet preamp stage can be quite surprising. It's something that measurements alone don't show. Beyond a certain threshold, you are probably right that we can't hear the noise levels per se, but lowering the noise floor is beneficial to other aspects such as the perception of depth, width and height of the soundstage.
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I don't know if I am in the minority here but a quiet preamp stage can be quite surprising. It's something that measurements alone don't show. Beyond a certain threshold, you are probably right that we can't hear the noise levels per se, but lowering the noise floor is beneficial to other aspects such as the perception of depth, width and height of the soundstage.

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I don't quite understand what you mean when you hope the 8801 "will be a solid return investment". I've never found any A/V component to be a solid investment wink.gif. What will a copper clad case give inregard to overall performance and SQ?
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Hi Bill , I tend to keep gear around for many years, after parting ways with my Denon 3200 and getting an Anthem avm 20 because my system was ready to fully evolve to separates, its gotten to that point again as I've maxed out in my view the Anthem's potential. I must say good sounding reliable gear is first on my priority list. I want to get my moneys worth out my gear before moving on and for me that could be years, I'm not subjected to the latest and greatest, just gear that will help me achieve the next level of my own personal Sonic nirvana! all things being equal the next price level up gets you ? Its a jump I cant make for what is now finally being offered at the unfilled price point $3000 for a well built machine with attention to detail and made in Japan!

As for the copper clad case I'm from the it all matters camp, be it positive or negative, and my personal findings with cables, burn in, vibration control and room Acoustics just to name a few have all mattered!
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Marantz has used copper for many of their premium line HiFi components. Not sure how audible the benefits are but each brand has it's own tricks. Long live the differences. BMW's always have kidneys and Hofmeister offset, though these external features don't make better cars, but help to differentiate from "normal" brands. Maybe it's the same with Marantz' thing with copper?

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Hi Bill , I tend to keep gear around for many years, after parting ways with my Denon 3200 and getting an Anthem avm 20 because my system was ready to fully evolve to separates, its gotten to that point again as I've maxed out in my view the Anthem's potential. I must say good sounding reliable gear is first on my priority list. I want to get my moneys worth out my gear before moving on and for me that could be years, I'm not subjected to the latest and greatest, just gear that will help me achieve the next level of my own personal Sonic nirvana! all things being equal the next price level up gets you ? Its a jump I cant make for what is now finally being offered at the unfilled price point $3000 for a well built machine with attention to detail and made in Japan!
As for the copper clad case I'm from the it all matters camp, be it positive or negative, and my personal findings with cables, burn in, vibration control and room Acoustics just to name a few have all mattered!

I understand where you are coming from as far as wanting to get the most from your purchases especially when you keep them for a long time. I had the AVM 30 and at times wished I hadn't sold it to get HDMI 1.3 and Audyssey. I agree that room acoustics play a huge role in the overall SQ of ones system. I do not see cables, burn in or vibration control being factors that matter that much though. To me all of those items are factors that really can not be consistently detected under cotrolled conditions. Just as a I feel that a component such as the 8801 having a copper clad chassis makes any difference in overall SQ.

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It's a bit perplexing to me that Marantz would not include XT32 in the 7701, when a $600 Sherwood 972 has it rolleyes.gif . The 32bit Dac, 11.2, and networking features are great, but at twice the price as the 7701, it's gonna be a tough one to swallow for many.

I wonder if they will eventually add the XT32 in a refresh of the 7701
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The 972 is originally an $1800 AVR and uses Trinnov vice Audyssey. Don't look for a refresh from either Denon or Marantz, rather if you want it, you'll have to buy a model that features it from the start.
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