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Atmos is apparently the next step in Dolby Theater software. Check out his video it gives a good explanation.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/professional/technology/cinema/dolby-atmos-video.html.

I am running 11.2 and love it, Atmos seems to be the next step by adding a few more speakers and control of the dispersion of the sound to give a more encompassing experience!



Who would have thought we could run 11.2 balanced even 10 years ago? I wish I had the correct room to do this. How does it sound? I can only imagine smile.gif
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My 8801 came in today....going to pick up this afternoon! Woohoo! cool.gif

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My 8801 came in today....going to pick up this afternoon! Woohoo! cool.gif

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Mine arrived this afternoon as well. Do u check for upgraded firmware before or after setup?
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Mine arrived this afternoon as well. Do u check for upgraded firmware before or after setup?



I did mine after but I have a feeling your up and running already. Let us know what you think.
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jmschnur: I setup my AV8801 making all connections (including internet), XLR, speaker, etc.), and performed the latest firmware update before going through the GUI setup and Audyssey room correction. I've had my AV8801/MM8077 since March and it's a fantastic Pre/Pro/Amp combintation.

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Is there a remote code for the Oppo BluRay ?

Thanks for your advice!
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I just tried the link and it worked.
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Judging by what the 8801 does with 5.1 speakers in my setup as far as immersion goes who needs Atmos tongue.gif ( that is at least till I hear it and want it) . I suspect at this rate, going all in one day with 11.2 would be beyond immersion and I will call it a day, and that's if I even go there, however if I get a true dedicated space! or speakers come with there own cloaking device ( and can fire while cloaked) , I hereby reserve the right to change my mind biggrin.gif

Well go experience ATMOS with 4K and you won't be able to wait until it comes to a Pre/Pro near you!

I know that I won't update my SSP-800 until there is a new PRE/PRO that has ATMOS OR DTS MDA! I am also looking for the time when 4K projectors at bellow 10Gs
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Well go experience ATMOS with 4K and you won't be able to wait until it comes to a Pre/Pro near you!

I know that I won't update my SSP-800 until there is a new PRE/PRO that has ATMOS OR DTS MDA! I am also looking for the time when 4K projectors at bellow 10Gs

I will indeed wink.gif
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Uhh!! the 105 and 103 share the same guts except the 105 has the headphone jack, ESS Sabre dac for analog audio ,can be used as a usb dac from a pc and a few other improvements geared mostly to the analog sound of the unit. If you are using hdmi from the 103to the 8801, its the same as the in that regard.

As I take it you don't own a 103 or 105, its better to let those that do chime in on what works and what's unresolved to offset any unnecessary confusion smile.gif

The problems they're reporting on the Oppo 103 owner's thread are varied, but many - mostly lip sync issues when using both HDMI outputs, or HDMI handshake problems that require re-launching or restarting the player.
The rest of the problems reported deal with non - Blu-ray disc playback problems, like with Netflix, Amazon streaming, lockups with different apps, HDMI issues when using the Oppo's HDMI INPUTS, problems playing back WAV or FLAC files from a hard drive, choppy 3d output using oshore networking, video 'judder', and so on.
But mostly various lip sync and HDMI handshake issues...

Yes, the '103 and '105 share the "same guts", but I wasn't looking at the '105 owner's thread (because I am considering the '103).
Perhaps some of the same issues with the '105 on their thread? Don't know.

And no, I don't own a '103 (yet), but that's the unit I've been researching, so that's why I've been studying that owner's thread on AVS, (and other sources).
I'm not trying to stir up trouble (or cause confusion), but I have noticed that the new '103 has some issues when (mostly) being used to do things other than straight Blu-ray disc playback.
I thought some here might be interested in that too(?).
But knowing Oppo's reputation, they're a great company with a great product and I'm confident that they'll eventually get things straightened out with some future comprehensive firmware upgrade, but each upgrade launched so far seems to cause a new problem, while solving an old one!

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I do own a 103. Blu Ray and DVD are fine for me DLNA from JR River
I also have an 83. DVD video may be a bit better on the 83. I see no difference in Blu Ray.
Stereo play back works very very well frm my 1400 CD library on my PC via DLNA.
NEtFlix works but has been a bit problematic with the latest beta.
DSD files and DSF files play well from a USB hard disk.

The 103 is indeed a step forward. However it is a complex device. Oppo has yet to get all the moving parts in great synchrony
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The problems they're reporting on the Oppo 103 owner's thread are varied, but many - mostly lip sync issues when using both HDMI outputs, or HDMI handshake problems that require re-launching or restarting the player.
I have the 103 and I can say that I did experience lip sync issues when I had it going through my Onkyo where I had to go in and adjust it on the receiver but it was fixable. On my Marantz, I didn't have the lip sync issue but do have a handshake issue. After troubleshooting the handshake issues I found that it was not from the Oppo but from the Marantz to the TV (Sony XBR4). I hooked up a second monitor and was able to access the Marantz and the Oppo normal on the added monitor but not the XBR4.

As far as netflix goes, I have AT&T fiber and I really seldom have any trouble with it. I also have a seagate go 1tb and a WD 1tb that I have full of movies that I use with no issues.

Back to the handshake issue since this is a Marantz thread. I was able to tweak the Marantz settings enough to make it more stable with the XBR4 to where I loose video every so often. I personally don't blame Marantz but the HDMI standard that isn't so standard. I'm just waiting for 70" OLED to hit my price target so I can give my XBR4 to the kids and get it the hell out of my media room. That's hard to believe since I paid 4200 for it in 07.

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My first results with my new 8801. I got the Marantz hooked up and ran Audyssey. I had gone into the speaker level menu first and set both subwoofer levels to -6 before starting anything. When starting Audyssey, it ran the sub signal and said both subs were too high and asked to adjust each to 75dB. 2 clicks up from 0 on each of my sub ampswas reading in the high 70s and 1 click from zero was way too low, so I left it on 2 clicks up on each sub and continued with the 8 point calibration. When done, I looked through the settings. It had the crossovers for my 3TX left and right at 120, the center 3TX at 90 and the single8 LPs at 60 lol. I changed them all back to 80. All speaker levels and 1 sub were set to -12 and the other sub was -11. Does that sound right or do you think I need to add those attenuators and go again? I have all the otehr Audyssey stuff turned off...dynamic EQ etc. Also, under speakers>manual set up> bass...do you have it set to LFE?....and what do you the LPF for?

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My first results with my new 8801. I got the Marantz hooked up and ran Audyssey. I had gone into the speaker level menu first and set both subwoofer levels to -6 before starting anything. When starting Audyssey, it ran the sub signal and said both subs were too high and asked to adjust each to 75dB. 2 clicks up from 0 on each of my sub ampswas reading in the high 70s and 1 click from zero was way too low, so I left it on 2 clicks up on each sub and continued with the 8 point calibration. When done, I looked through the settings. It had the crossovers for my 3TX left and right at 120, the center 3TX at 90 and the single8 LPs at 60 lol. I changed them all back to 80. All speaker levels and 1 sub were set to -12 and the other sub was -11. Does that sound right or do you think I need to add those attenuators and go again? I have all the otehr Audyssey stuff turned off...dynamic EQ etc. Also, under speakers>manual set up> bass...do you have it set to LFE?....and what do you the LPF for?

I'll give this a shot!

1. If your using xlr switch to rca connections to take care of the gain from your amps.

2. On the Marantz -12 indicates Audyssey is bottoming out and you don't know if further correction can be applied, aim for -9 and up but if its -11 you would be fine.

3. You never want to adjust the speakers crossover lower than what Audyssey set them , however you can raise it.

4. You don't need to set the LFE you can adjust the LPF( low pass filter) for your sub here you can try different settings on content that contains .1 information try 80,90 and 120 as starting points but 80 seems to be the best overall.

Be patient it took me 6 runs of Audyssey before I was happy. wink.gif
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My first results with my new 8801. I got the Marantz hooked up and ran Audyssey. I had gone into the speaker level menu first and set both subwoofer levels to -6 before starting anything. When starting Audyssey, it ran the sub signal and said both subs were too high and asked to adjust each to 75dB. 2 clicks up from 0 on each of my sub ampswas reading in the high 70s and 1 click from zero was way too low, so I left it on 2 clicks up on each sub and continued with the 8 point calibration. When done, I looked through the settings. It had the crossovers for my 3TX left and right at 120, the center 3TX at 90 and the single8 LPs at 60 lol. I changed them all back to 80. All speaker levels and 1 sub were set to -12 and the other sub was -11. Does that sound right or do you think I need to add those attenuators and go again? I have all the otehr Audyssey stuff turned off...dynamic EQ etc. Also, under speakers>manual set up> bass...do you have it set to LFE?....and what do you the LPF for?

Audiofan's suggestions are great, and I completely agree, you will want to figure out some way be it attenuators, or switching to RCA to keep Audyssey from applying the max amount of cut right out of the gate. You might at least start out listening for a while with the XO's set where audyssey puts them, and then adjust if you feel it sounds better.

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Audiofan's suggestions are great, and I completely agree, you will want to figure out some way be it attenuators, or switching to RCA to keep Audyssey from applying the max amount of cut right out of the gate. You might at least start out listening for a while with the XO's set where audyssey puts them, and then adjust if you feel it sounds better.


Thanks guys. I have some XLR attenuators on order and will try those when they arrive. I just find it odd that it chose 120Hz for my mains and 90Hz for the center(all identical speakers), and 60Hz for the small surrounds. I'll run Audyssey again tonight and see what happens. I already have plenty of RCAs, so I'll try that too until attenuators arrive.

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I'll give this a shot!

1. If your using xlr switch to rca connections to take care of the gain from your amps.

2. On the Marantz -12 indicates Audyssey is bottoming out and you don't know if further correction can be applied, aim for -9 and up but if its -11 you would be fine.

3. You never want to adjust the speakers crossover lower than what Audyssey set them , however you can raise it.

4. You don't need to set the LFE you can adjust the LPF( low pass filter) for your sub here you can try different settings on content that contains .1 information try 80,90 and 120 as starting points but 80 seems to be the best overall.

Be patient it took me 6 runs of Audyssey before I was happy. wink.gif

Audiofan, under the "bass" setting in the menu, you only have two options for setting LFE....."LFE" or "LFE+Mains". I assume leave it as LFE. Then the next setting under "Bass", you can adjust the LPF.

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Audiofan, under the "bass" setting in the menu, you only have two options for setting LFE....."LFE" or "LFE+Mains". I assume leave it as LFE. Then the next setting under "Bass", you can adjust the LPF.

You wouldn't want to mess with either with your setup Kevin. Some say dropping the LPF for LFE filter to say 100hz helps to take some bloat out of the .1 channel tracks, and I for one tried it briefly, but generally speaking, leaving it at 120hz is not required but suggested.

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Thanks guys. I have some XLR attenuators on order and will try those when they arrive. I just find it odd that it chose 120Hz for my mains and 90Hz for the center(all identical speakers), and 60Hz for the small surrounds. I'll run Audyssey again tonight and see what happens. I already have plenty of RCAs, so I'll try that too until attenuators arrive.

Audyssey set my crossovers different for my mains and center even though I also have identical speakers. However, in my case, my center speaker has a wall behind it ; whereas my mains are in free space (away from any wall). Audyssey has adjusted for the frequencies that are being reflected/amplified by the wall boundary.

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My assumption is the mains are spaced equidistant from the rear wall and side wall? Don't wanna do that if so. Try moving their positions some so they aren't exactly the same distance and you may gain some down low. Odds are the mains could be cancelling with room modes and that is why they aren't set as low as the center.

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You wouldn't want to mess with either with your setup Kevin. Some say dropping the LPF for LFE filter to say 100hz helps to take some bloat out of the .1 channel tracks, and I for one tried it briefly, but generally speaking, leaving it at 120hz is not required but suggested.



Beast, does the 120Hz setting apply no matter what kind of speakers your running for your fronts?
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My assumption is the mains are spaced equidistant from the rear wall and side wall? Don't wanna do that if so. Try moving their positions some so they aren't exactly the same distance and you may gain some down low. Odds are the mains could be cancelling with room modes and that is why they aren't set as low as the center.

I just ran again at lunch....everything the same speaker placement wise. The calculations were pretty much the same except it chose 150Hz for my mains this time lol. Still chose 90 for center and 60 for surrounds. tongue.gif


Ok weird. I just ran the third run...all the same except I moved the mains back so they are about the same distance from the back wall as the center(which is to say closer to the back wall then they were before), and it chose 200Hz XO for the mains????


4th run.....flipped the OSs around and moved them a bit farther from the front wall and brought the mains back out to where they were which is the same distance from the MLP as the center. The subwoofers passed the level test this time at the beginning of running XT32 and after completion, one is -7.5 and the other is -4.5. The speakers are still maxed at -12 and it chose 200Hz for the mains again, after bringing them back to where they were in the beginning where it chose 120Hz on the first run and 150Hz on the 2nd run. That's just too high for my mains isn't it? Gotta figure out what's going on there? mad.gif

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I have read all this thread and i just want to confirm somethings

My connections first

1 - Oppo HDMI to HDMI input on the marantz av8801. Bitstream audio

2 - 7 channel analog output from the oppo to the marantz. I use this connection for bluray shows and multi channel SACD

3 - Dedicated unbalanced stero output of the oppo to the cd input on the marantz. I listen to stereo SACD, CD, and music from the computer

My questions:

1 - I have bought an amplifier from a headphone. Can I connect the balanced stereo outputs from the oppo to this amplifier. That way, both balanced and unbalanced will be used. Is this possible? I think I have read Bob saying that it is totally possible, just want to confirm it.

2 - When the 7.1 analog on the marantz is selected, is bass management turned off? I have set the audio on the oppo and I do not want double bass management? As far as i understand when it is selected on the marantz 7.1 channel input, there is no bass management and no trim levels fro the speakers, correct? If this is correct when I send multichannel DSD from the oppo through the 7.1 output, where does the bass management happens. I know that it is not in the oppo, but i understand that it is not on the marantz too, correct?

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1 - I have bought an amplifier from a headphone. Can I connect the balanced stereo outputs from the oppo to this amplifier. That way, both balanced and unbalanced will be used. Is this possible? I think I have read Bob saying that it is totally possible, just want to confirm it.

It is possible but the Oppo will output full volume.
So your headphone amplifier would have to have a volume control.
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2 - When the 7.1 analog on the marantz is selected, is bass management turned off? I have set the audio on the oppo and I do not want double bass management? As far as i understand when it is selected on the marantz 7.1 channel input, there is no bass management and no trim levels fro the speakers, correct? If this is correct when I send multichannel DSD from the oppo through the 7.1 output, where does the bass management happens. I know that it is not in the oppo, but i understand that it is not on the marantz too, correct?

Yes, there is no bass management as it occurs in the digital domain and the 7.1 analog inputs are not digitized.
However, the XLR input are digitized so you can do bass management on them.
They do not sound the same as the HDMI from my Oppo so you can use this option as well.

The LFE+MAIN can be when your speakres are set to Large to also engage your sub in Pure Direct mode on standard inputs, but I am not sure about the CD input with XLR as I have not tried it.

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I just ran again at lunch....everything the same speaker placement wise. The calculations were pretty much the same except it chose 150Hz for my mains this time lol. Still chose 90 for center and 60 for surrounds. tongue.gif


Ok weird. I just ran the third run...all the same except I moved the mains back so they are about the same distance from the back wall as the center(which is to say closer to the back wall then they were before), and it chose 200Hz XO for the mains????


4th run.....flipped the OSs around and moved them a bit farther from the front wall and brought the mains back out to where they were which is the same distance from the MLP as the center. The subwoofers passed the level test this time at the beginning of running XT32 and after completion, one is -7.5 and the other is -4.5. The speakers are still maxed at -12 and it chose 200Hz for the mains again, after bringing them back to where they were in the beginning where it chose 120Hz on the first run and 150Hz on the 2nd run. That's just too high for my mains isn't it? Gotta figure out what's going on there? mad.gif

I would put the rca's in and see what Audyssey does , also are you using a boom mic stand or at least a tripod?
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I would put the rca's in and see what Audyssey does , also are you using a boom mic stand or at least a tripod?


Audyssey mic is on a tripod. Nothing in the Oppo would be affecting anything right? Oppo speaker settings only apply to analog out right?

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Beast, does the 120Hz setting apply no matter what kind of speakers your running for your fronts?

Yes, as that setting only applies to the ".1" or bass (LFE) channel. The XO's for the mains will redirect their bass ALSO to the .1 channel, but when a mixer is putting heavy bass into the .1 channel on its own, if you choose a lower number than 120hz, then you are basically neutering the response of just the LFE channel, but some people prefer to do so if the bass channel sounds bloated or overbearing in the midbass region. It is not a brick-wall filter where the response just stops, rather it has a more gradual rolloff starting a little earlier than if you left it at 120hz. This is just really part of preference land once it is all said and done. The difference is minimal when switching it from 120 to 100hz per se, but if you knocked it down to say 60hz, that would be pretty drastic. Unlike using bass management to redirect bass below the XO point on your mains to the sub, changing the LPF for LFE down will not direct the bass back UP to your mains, it is just simply lost....

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