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Joe, did you get an AV8801 yet?
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Sounds like it will work great for the rear surrounds and with Audessey XT32 in the AV8801 it should calibrate well. I just got done watching the gun fight scene in the movie Heat with the AV7701 and it sounds awesome. Music sounds great too. My previous pre/pro was a Lexicon MC12B which sounded great too. If the 8801 sounds better then I will be very happy.

I lived with a 7005 for 2 years and can say that the 8801 sounds noticeably better. Subtle audio sounds in movies -- like the opening in scene of Master and Commander with sails waving and footsteps and metal clinking -- are far more distinct and localizable. The processing of the 8801 is terrific and the XT32 does a FAR better job of making the speakers sound more cohesive (especially noticeable when voices pan across the front L/C/R channels). Even stereo sounds better. Audio seems to extend well beyond the channels and still create an amazingly focused phantom center channel. Sonically, I have no qualms with the 8801.
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Nah .. not quite that high .. but it should be very warm to the touch.

I would say "warm" but definitely not "very warm." Even after running for multiple hours, I haven't noticed the processor being hotter than just "warm." (I know that's vague, but I don't have a temp probe to take an actual reading...) Certainly nothing like some of the giant Denon AVRs I've felt in the past where it was like, "Oh! Damn! This thing scalded me!"
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Makes perfect sense John since the 8801 doesn't have power amplifiers. The whole unit only consumes 90W of power. Distribute that heat over the whole unit and it should feel pretty much like you describe. Thanks for the multiple SQ reports BTW. The outlook is looking promising for this unit.
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John,

Can you please inquire with your contact at D+M, Kevin Zarow, and ask him if the design of the analog output stages is fully balanced? There are some doubts as to whether that's the case since Marantz hasn't specifically stated so. Thanks.
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Can you please inquire with your contact at D+M, Kevin Zarow, and ask him if the design of the analog output stages is fully balanced? There are some doubts as to whether that's the case since Marantz hasn't specifically stated so. Thanks.

I was told that it is NOT fully balanced. That the cost of doing a fully balanced design would have been prohibitive even at this price.
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Joe, did you get an AV8801 yet?

Working on it. I have a 4520 here now which I am a BIG fan of. smile.gif

I will use Parasound amps with the AV8801.

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I was told that it is NOT fully balanced. That the cost of doing a fully balanced design would have been prohibitive even at this price.
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Thats odd as the soon to be released Emotiva XMC-1 is supposed to be a fully balanced prepro at $1499. Now before everyone jumps on me about the mention of the XMC-1 hear me out wink.gif. It is supposed to be released "soon" and if it is a fully balanced design then it shows that it can be done at a decent price point.

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Bill, that was also my understanding when I initially started looking into the Emotiva XMC-1 about one year ago. However, I'm not convinced that will be the case. When you look at the XMC-1 web page, it mentions in a similar fashion to the AV8801 web page and brochure, that the XMC-1 is equipped with: "7.2 main outputs, balanced analog audio (XLR)". However this doesn't mean that it will be a fully balanced differential signal path design, which they take care to clearly emphasize on the page of their XSP-1 Differential Reference stereo preamp. Emotiva also suspiciously pulled from their website the XMC-1 6-page PDF brochure that contained no text but was made up all with graphic pages that included the text. It makes one wonder if they didn't want folks to be able to easily search for info inside the PDF. I kept a copy on my hard drive.
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I was told that it is NOT fully balanced. That the cost of doing a fully balanced design would have been prohibitive even at this price.
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I was told the same thing. Fully balanced would have raised the price significantly

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Was does fully balanced add in terms of performance?

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Bill, that was also my understanding when I initially started looking into the Emotiva XMC-1 about one year ago. However, I'm not convinced that will be the case. When you look at the XMC-1 web page, it mentions in a similar fashion to the AV8801 web page and brochure, that the XMC-1 is equipped with: "7.2 main outputs, balanced analog audio (XLR)". However this doesn't mean that it will be a fully balanced differential signal path design, which they take care to clearly emphasize on the page of their XSP-1 Differential Reference stereo preamp. Emotiva also suspiciously pulled from their website the XMC-1 6-page PDF brochure that contained no text but was made up all with graphic pages that included the text. It makes one wonder if they didn't want folks to be able to easily search for info inside the PDF. I kept a copy on my hard drive.

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You could be right as I just looked at the Emotiva site and there is no mention "Differential Reference" on the XMC-1 product page.

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Ok side note/question... and this may be better posted in the Home A/V Distribution thread but I'll ask anyway. If I had an 8801 being controlled by a Control4 system, could I connect a 1x8 HDMI splitter also controlled by Control4 to the HDMI4 output of the 8801 and essentially have a 6x8 HDMI matrix? Hmm... food for though!?

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Ahh... the correct answer is no, it wouldn't be a true matrix because all of the outputs would be the same, I couldn't watch 3 different sources on 3 different tv's for example!

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Working on it. I have a 4520 here now which I am a BIG fan of. smile.gif
I will use Parasound amps with the AV8801.

Parasound New Classic or Halo? And do you think there is an audible difference between the two when used for Blu-Ray movies and satellite hd programing in a HT?
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I look forward to the shootout with the 80.3 - could someone also compare to e.g Anthem and NAD processors?
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I have the Halo A51 and it is wonderful. I hope it lasts me for many years... now that said.... I hope my speakers can keep up with it... and ears.....

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I have the Halo A51 and it is wonderful. I hope it lasts me for many years... now that said.... I hope my speakers can keep up with it... and ears.....


Do you think that the Marantz processor is "good enough"? for the Parasound amp?`(I have Sunfire Signature Seven )
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The 7005 did a superb job, from the reports here I expect the 8801 will really open the dynamics of the amp up. I have one on order, if the 8801 opens the A51 up I will probably order 2 more A51's. I had an emotive XPA-3 and have an XPA-5. They are good but not great.

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I look forward to the shootout with the 80.3 - could someone also compare to e.g Anthem and NAD processors?

yes and add the Denon AVP prepro & 4520 AVR for good measure smile.gif that would make a superb comparison. chances are this will be hard to do but we can hope...joerod where are you? wink.gif

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The 7005 did a superb job, from the reports here I expect the 8801 will really open the dynamics of the amp up. I have one on order, if the 8801 opens the A51 up I will probably order 2 more A51's. I had an emotive XPA-3 and have an XPA-5. They are good but not great.

Agreed. I have a A51/A23 combo and it worked great with a Lexicon MC12, Marantz AV8003 and AV7005. I'll gladly hook it up to the AV8801.

One other thing about Parasound besides the excellent sound quality of their products: I had an issue with my A51 and I actually was emailing directly with Richard, the President and founding member from Parasound. You can't get any better customers service than that! Plus it's a US-company which also counts for something.
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Hi-

I'm trying to decide if this is processor I will buy so I am enjoying reading all the information that the new owners are posting. Thanks to all for taking the time to post.

Does anyone know if the DC triggers are configurable? I need for one trigger to output a PULSE and the other trigger to output a CONSTANT/LEVEL. I tried to find the information in the manual but could not find it. I also posted the question to Marantz user support, but they must be busy.

Also, it was also mentioned that Audyssey PRO was not available yet. Does that mean it is not supported yet? A firmware update is needed? A license hasn't been purchased yet?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

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Parasound New Classic or Halo? And do you think there is an audible difference between the two when used for Blu-Ray movies and satellite hd programing in a HT?

I use an A51 for the Fronts, Center and Wides and I plan to use an A52 for the Heights, Rears and Back.

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yes and add the Denon AVP prepro & 4520 AVR for good measure smile.gif that would make a superb comparison. chances are this will be hard to do but we can hope...joerod where are you? wink.gif

I had a 80.3 here and currently have an Onkyo 5010. I would love to do comparisons but honestly it opens up waaaaay to much controversy here. No matter what I do there is a few here that question my methods. Testing and comparing in the same room with the same equipment should yield good end results but no matter what it never seems good enough for them. What sucks is spending the time to test various movies and some music (and it is very time consuming) only to be ripped apart here. biggrin.gif

Maybe I will do it and just post results on my site and not here. Hmmmm smile.gif

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The A51 is a great amp, I am a Parasound and Marantz dealer and I used to have an A51 on my system but I'm now using the A52 as I have much smaller speakers. I will be changing my 7005 for the 8801 soon. Parasound in a great company and Richard is a great guy that supports his customers and his products. If you are on a budget and get the classic series you will absolutely not be disappointed but surprised.
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Also, it was also mentioned that Audyssey PRO was not available yet. Does that mean it is not supported yet? A firmware update is needed? A license hasn't been purchased yet?
 

It is not clear what steps remain but it is not available from Audyssey at the moment.  Ostensibly, they (and Marantz) have not yet approved it for release although it is promised and being worked on.  When it does become available, one will be able to purchase a license and download the Pro software from Audyssey but it is unclear if a firmware update from Marantz will be required. 


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Post it here. There is a really good tool on the forums. It is called ignore. You take the people who think all amps sound the same - double blind is the only way, etc crowd and set them to ignore.

I have a 7005 - anxious to get my 8001. I have a 7.1 speaker setup - with the "7" s being rears. I took an admittedly crappy pair of speakers - not timbre matched by any stretch (the Audyssey whoops sounded very different) - and set them up as heights just to see. So I sit down to listen - practically no difference at all. Very disappointed. I then realized that nothing was coming out of the speakers because i had not set Audyssey DSX or whatever to engage the height speakers. First impressions were good - better with movies than with concerts. On concerts - the heights seemed to take all the applause sounds - not terribly realistic - but on movies the soundstage was bigger. Anxious to see if the implementation is better on the 8001. Upgrading to 9.1 meansw another amp and some better speakers.

One thing I "learned" through this is a reminder of how much of a difference Audyssey makes. While in the middle of the project I had messed up the Audyssey calibration and so it was turned off for a night of TV watching. You forget what Audyssey does for the system. The speakers just werent coherent - they didnt create a big stage. I could have sworn it was a different system. Reminds me how much I like Audyssey.

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well, the local politicians here have settled (at least for now) the strike, business is back ON. The longshoremen are back to "long-shoring" smile.gif
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Testing and comparing in the same room with the same equipment should yield good end results but no matter what it never seems good enough for them. What sucks is spending the time to test various movies and some music (and it is very time consuming) only to be ripped apart here
I appreciate your efforts Joe, post your inut here please (movies and music). What player(s) are you using?
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Bill, that was also my understanding when I initially started looking into the Emotiva XMC-1 about one year ago. However, I'm not convinced that will be the case. When you look at the XMC-1 web page, it mentions in a similar fashion to the AV8801 web page and brochure, that the XMC-1 is equipped with: "7.2 main outputs, balanced analog audio (XLR)". However this doesn't mean that it will be a fully balanced differential signal path design, which they take care to clearly emphasize on the page of their XSP-1 Differential Reference stereo preamp. Emotiva also suspiciously pulled from their website the XMC-1 6-page PDF brochure that contained no text but was made up all with graphic pages that included the text. It makes one wonder if they didn't want folks to be able to easily search for info inside the PDF. I kept a copy on my hard drive.

I have been eyeballing the XMC-1 also and I can confirm that at any point in time, Emotiva did never claim it would be fully balanced. If it's the 5-page pdf "spec overview" from september 2012 you are reffering to, I have it (ofcourse) and it never mentions "fully balanced".... only "balanced analog in".

Even the daddy processor, rumoured (but not confirmed) within a year, would be based on the XMC-1 platform (but with full blown 12-channel TacT), hence also not fully balanced probably.

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