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htdhvy's Avatar htdhvy 10:04 AM 08-21-2013
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Originally Posted by a1usedcomp View Post

Keep your Dac for sure if you buy the 8801 , I run a separate Dac with my 8801 night and day . I also had 2 Anthems not worth the money

Which separate DAC are you using?

TVMAN1991's Avatar TVMAN1991 11:14 AM 08-21-2013
Lol Audyssey XT32 is completely inferior to ARC advanced.

DACs and other things don't give you measurable changed data - just "sweeter" sound or however you perceive it.
comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 11:20 AM 08-21-2013
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Originally Posted by TVMAN1991 View Post

Lol Audyssey XT32 is completely inferior to ARC advanced.

DACs and other things don't give you measurable changed data - just "sweeter" sound or however you perceive it.



Got any data to prove that? There's converted D2v guys right here that just might disagree. Although I'm sure ARC sounds great smile.gif
comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 12:32 PM 08-21-2013
I'm sure ARC sounds great. But after I researched the high res thing and learned that Anthem puts processing power into a hearing range the human ear can't even hear, I had to question their intentions. For bragging rights? Well they did that in the one article some of us read. Other reasons? It doesn't really matter, and I'm sure they are a great product. All I know is the 8801 is one slick and agile pre/pro and coupled with my nimble Revels they will finesse the hell out of you or make your ears bleed, choose your poison biggrin.gif
a1usedcomp's Avatar a1usedcomp 01:01 PM 08-21-2013
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Originally Posted by htdhvy View Post

Which separate DAC are you using?

Eastern Electric Mini Max DAC plus with Dexa Opamps
grey9hound's Avatar grey9hound 03:41 PM 08-22-2013
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Originally Posted by comfynumb View Post

If you run the vid out from the player to your display. But I don't think it's possible through the 8801 CD input. Try another input with video.
Ok I understand trying to use a different input . I also know that i could run a separate video out, but I was trying to avoid having to switch inputs on the Tv when Playing CDP-M555ES.
Thanks
grey9hound's Avatar grey9hound 03:46 PM 08-22-2013
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

grey9hound,

Have you considered using the 8801's DVD input instead of its CD input?
You'd have to reassociate the 8801's CD optical audio input with DVD, of course./quote]
Thanks ,

steady teddy's Avatar steady teddy 04:02 PM 08-22-2013
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Originally Posted by grey9hound View Post

Ok I understand trying to use a different input . I also know that i could run a separate video out, but I was trying to avoid having to switch inputs on the Tv when Playing CDP-M555ES.
Thanks

Not familiar with the Sony CDP-M555ES but you can assign a video source while listening to a CD as long as it's not HDMI. Page 133 of the manual.

If your CD player has composite video than just use one of the composite inputs on the 8801 and assign it in the Input menu. If your player has an option for Pure Direct of course you won't get any video signal if you use it.
jmschnur's Avatar jmschnur 05:24 PM 08-22-2013
I listen to my Squeezetouch using optical SPIDF and the CD Input. I also watch my fios video at the same using component output from my Motorola fios box.

Normal fios is done with HDMI from the Motorola to my cable/sat input. The fios box outputs both HDMI and component simultaneously
steady teddy's Avatar steady teddy 05:32 PM 08-22-2013
I'm wondering if there is any way to watch a different video source while listening to Internet Radio. Internet radio is not listed on the input assign menu and I see no way to add it, so I would assume the answer is no?
jmschnur's Avatar jmschnur 06:31 PM 08-22-2013
My squeezetouch let's me do this as described above.
danielb6752's Avatar danielb6752 07:59 PM 08-22-2013
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Originally Posted by kbrown425 View Post

Greetings.

Anyone using the AV8801 with the Logitec Harmony One remote? On the initial remote setup, the power on (activity) from this remote turns on all zones, but does not turn all zones off, thus leaving the AV8801 "on". When I programmed the "power on" setting of the Harmony remote by "Learning" the on command button from the Marantz remote, the Harmony One no longer turns on all zones, and only powers up the main zone (which is what I want.) However, the "activity" is not set properly when powering up the system (watch Blu-Ray, watch TV, etc.) and I have to press the activity button a second time once the AV8801 is on in order to set the AV8801 to the desired input. It powers up and defaults to the prior input from the previous session.

Not a big deal, but would prefer to press the "Activity" once and have everything come on per the activity selected. The wife gets confused and I have to remind her to press the activity on the Harmony twice to set the AV8801 to the proper input.

Thanks!

The Marantz power-on command does power on all zones unfortunately. The work around most of us have done is to simply delete the Power On command, and let the discrete input selection also serve as the power on command. On the newer myharmony.com interface, click Devices, AV8801, Change Device Settings, Power Settings, next twice, then remove the Power On command from the Power On Commands.
bigguyca's Avatar bigguyca 09:29 AM 08-23-2013
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Originally Posted by htdhvy View Post

I recently bought a pair of Revel Salon 2’s and I am loving them. I have been listening to them in my bedroom with a Bel-Canto DAC3 directly driving a pair of Ref1000’s and music sounds amazing. I am looking to move these speakers into my main theater rig which is currently controlled by a Marantz AV8003 Processor. The AV8003 has been pretty good for a theater processor although I added the DAC3 to beef up the 2 channel music performance.

My usage is probably 65% music, 35% movies/games. The thing I care most about is stereo audio sound quality.

I’ve done a fair amount of reading and have landed on a few options.

1. Replace the combo of AV8003 and DAC3 with a Anthem D2v (my dealer is able to get me a rather aggressive price on the latest version). I am wondering here how the DACs in the D2v compare with the BC DAC3.
2. Replace the combo of the AV8003 and DAC3 with a Marantz AV8801. Here I am also wondering how the DACs in the AV8801 compare with the BC DAC3. I’m assuming that the D2v is better for 2 channel audio than the AV8801 but im not sure by how much. Also wondering if the AV8801 is a step-up from the AV8003 for stereo music.
3. Replace just the AV8003 with the AV8801 and keep the DAC3. There are a few advantages to having the DACs inside the processor (I can apply adjustments) but of course if the BC DAC3 sounds better than either the D2v or the AV8801 then this might be something to consider.

The D2v will probably cost me about $1500 more than what I can get the AV8801 for.

I have thought about keeping a dedicated two channel setup but it seems like a waste of space and id like to get the benefit of the Salon 2's for movies and the benefit (if possible) of the f113 for music.

If you’re wondering why not just keep the AV8003, it has a few limitations that are really bothersome. There is a bug which keeps it from designating the front speakers as “large” and having a separate subwoofer at the same time. I have a JL Fathom f113 that I want to use with the Salons. Additionally, for a second zone, you cannot use a digital source. I have speakers on my porch and can’t play the music from my apple tv out there. I’m hoping neither the D2v nor the AV8801 have these limitations, but if they do, please let me know.

Thanks in Advance!



I use an OPPO BDP-105 as a DAC into the AV8801 via balanced inputs for music (most important use) (classical mostly) (CD, 2 channel). I'm using Salon2's for main speakers. The results are outstanding. I use the AV8801 for home theater duties as well. (DirecTV, Blu-ray's)

If I only listened to music I would go straight from the BDP-105 to a power amplifier. (Anthem P5)
AlxG's Avatar AlxG 09:45 AM 08-23-2013
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Originally Posted by bigguyca View Post

I use an OPPO BDP-105 as a DAC into the AV8801 via balanced inputs for music (most important use) (classical mostly) (CD, 2 channel). I'm using Salon2's for main speakers. The results are outstanding. I use the AV8801 for home theater duties as well. (DirecTV, Blu-ray's)

If I only listened to music I would go straight from the BDP-105 to a power amplifier. (Anthem P5)

Have you tried connecting Oppo 105 2-ch output into AV8801 using 7.1 input with Pure Direct mode?

I found that 7.1 input path does not molest external DAC's sound signature. So far I have tried 4 DAC's and 2 dedicated CD players with different sound signature and pleasant results.
discodol's Avatar discodol 09:51 AM 08-23-2013
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Originally Posted by bigguyca View Post

I use an OPPO BDP-105 as a DAC into the AV8801 via balanced inputs for music (most important use) (classical mostly) (CD, 2 channel). I use the AV8801 for home theater duties as well. (DirecTV, Blu-ray's)

+1

I also use the 7.1 connections depending on the source material.

Anything coming out of the 105 into the 8801 sounds awesome!!
AlxG's Avatar AlxG 10:09 AM 08-23-2013
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Originally Posted by discodol View Post

+1

I also use the 7.1 connections depending on the source material.

Anything coming out of the 105 into the 8801 sounds awesome!!

Awesome info... I hope for more people to chime in to let us know about their 7.1 input usage experience.

Based on my preference, it sounded better than Ayre's sound signature. I'm getting the same pristine sound with more dynamics without loosing harmonically rich response.

I've got the second biggest improvement in sound when I connected my true differential amp via XLR connectors at the expense of loosing dynamic extension, because it doesn't sound right in the bi-amp configuration.
audiofan1's Avatar audiofan1 12:20 PM 08-23-2013
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Originally Posted by AlxG View Post

Awesome info... I hope for more people to chime in to let us know about their 7.1 input usage experience.

Based on my preference, it sounded better than Ayre's sound signature. I'm getting the same pristine sound with more dynamics without loosing harmonically rich response.

I've got the second biggest improvement in sound when I connected my true differential amp via XLR connectors at the expense of loosing dynamic extension, because it doesn't sound right in the bi-amp configuration.

Having my 105 and 8801 connected in just about every conceivable way! I'd say your assessment on the 7.1 is correct but after my comparisons for 2/ch between hdmi>XLR>RCA , and one with the 105 direct to my Halo A21 via XLR, I found in the end the XLR's from the 105 and assigning them to the CD input in Pure direct to give up the least in transparency and overall fidelity compared to the Oppo direct to the amp ( and I mean very little and not enough to matter). I must also note after putting a better power cord on the 8801 and using Bitstream from the 105 via hdmi ( using a Pangea cable with POCC/4%silver) put the 8801 on a level within close reach of the 105 and offers a shall we say different take on the reproduction, the 105 only bested it in it's overall closer to the analog sound and longer sustaining of notes, both have exceptional midrange musicality. I recently enjoyed the 8801 for a week ,as it revealed new details and showed its true heritage very impressive to say the least and is worth it's salt and must not be overlooked.

I'll spend a little more time with the 7.1 for 2/ch and see if more is to be had, as the revisit to the 8801/hdmi revealed hidden gems wink.gif
AlxG's Avatar AlxG 01:30 PM 08-23-2013
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Having my 105 and 8801 connected in just about every conceivable way! I'd say your assessment on the 7.1 is correct but after my comparisons for 2/ch between hdmi>XLR>RCA , and one with the 105 direct to my Halo A21 via XLR, I found in the end the XLR's from the 105 and assigning them to the CD input in Pure direct to give up the least in transparency and overall fidelity compared to the Oppo direct to the amp ( and I mean very little and not enough to matter). I must also note after putting a better power cord on the 8801 and using Bitstream from the 105 via hdmi ( using a Pangea cable with POCC/4%silver) put the 8801 on a level within close reach of the 105 and offers a shall we say different take on the reproduction, the 105 only bested it in it's overall closer to the analog sound and longer sustaining of notes, both have exceptional midrange musicality. I recently enjoyed the 8801 for a week ,as it revealed new details and showed its true heritage very impressive to say the least and is worth it's salt and must not be overlooked.

I'll spend a little more time with the 7.1 for 2/ch and see if more is to be had, as the revisit to the 8801/hdmi revealed hidden gems wink.gif

Great feedback biggrin.gif

Please let us know how you like the 7.1 input when you'll have a chance to test it.
Geronimo.USMC's Avatar Geronimo.USMC 04:35 PM 08-23-2013
Just a FYI. The Harmony Ultimate has the proper "power toggle" codes. It doesn't power up the 3 Zones when powering up nor off.
Woof Woof's Avatar Woof Woof 09:31 PM 08-23-2013
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Originally Posted by htdhvy View Post

I recently bought a pair of Revel Salon 2’s and I am loving them. I have been listening to them in my bedroom with a Bel-Canto DAC3 directly driving a pair of Ref1000’s and music sounds amazing. I am looking to move these speakers into my main theater rig which is currently controlled by a Marantz AV8003 Processor. The AV8003 has been pretty good for a theater processor although I added the DAC3 to beef up the 2 channel music performance.

I guess it really depends on how much you want to spend. I think the DAC3 is an excellent 2 channel DAC. I am using the slightly upgraded DAC3.5VB MkII which does benefit from the HT bypass function so I can use it in 2 channel mode and with the HT system.

A cheap solution is to get the Bel Canto Pre3. If you can get the older model preowned, it's a good value. It does HT bypass with yr HT and IMHO provides a nice improvement in the soundstage of the DAC3. I think the Bel Canto system with the REF1000M is an excellent bang for the buck system.
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Originally Posted by htdhvy View Post

1. Replace the combo of AV8003 and DAC3 with a Anthem D2v (my dealer is able to get me a rather aggressive price on the latest version). I am wondering here how the DACs in the D2v compare with the BC DAC3.
2. Replace the combo of the AV8003 and DAC3 with a Marantz AV8801. Here I am also wondering how the DACs in the AV8801 compare with the BC DAC3. I’m assuming that the D2v is better for 2 channel audio than the AV8801 but im not sure by how much. Also wondering if the AV8801 is a step-up from the AV8003 for stereo music.
3. Replace just the AV8003 with the AV8801 and keep the DAC3. There are a few advantages to having the DACs inside the processor (I can apply adjustments) but of course if the BC DAC3 sounds better than either the D2v or the AV8801 then this might be something to consider.

Based on my experience, most AVPs do compromise somewhat on 2 channel usage so a dedicated 2 channel DAC/preamp is IMHO better sounding when it doesn't have to handle EQ/bass management and also high frequency video circuitry inside.

That said until you decide to go further, you can plug the DAC3 XLR to the AV8801's XLR input and turn on Pure Direct mode. It isn't a terrible compromise when I was using it with an albeit cheaper TEAC UD-501 DAC.
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I have thought about keeping a dedicated two channel setup but it seems like a waste of space and id like to get the benefit of the Salon 2's for movies and the benefit (if possible) of the f113 for music.

If you’re wondering why not just keep the AV8003, it has a few limitations that are really bothersome. There is a bug which keeps it from designating the front speakers as “large” and having a separate subwoofer at the same time. I have a JL Fathom f113 that I want to use with the Salons. Additionally, for a second zone, you cannot use a digital source. I have speakers on my porch and can’t play the music from my apple tv out there. I’m hoping neither the D2v nor the AV8801 have these limitations, but if they do, please let me know.

Thanks in Advance!

It's not a bug. "Large" is a misnomer here. Large merely means you don't want to use the subwoofer to augment the speaker.

You can set it to small, and make the crossover work at 40Hz for instance. In fact the only time I have found Audyssey to have set my speakers to large is when I use my Thiel CS3.7s with dual SS2s subwoofers (running in stereo augment mode with the S1 integrator so Audyssey sees them as ONE pair of speakers).

Can't help you on Zone 2 digital tho. But AppleTVs are cheap so if you really wanted one outside, it seems possible just to get another 99 buck device to stream outside, no?
jima4a's Avatar jima4a 01:40 AM 08-24-2013
Apple TV provides a digital output so it does not work on zone 2 or higher. You would need a DAC after the Apple TV to feed the prepro for additional zones.
audiofan1's Avatar audiofan1 01:52 AM 08-24-2013
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

I guess it really depends on how much you want to spend. I think the DAC3 is an excellent 2 channel DAC. I am using the slightly upgraded DAC3.5VB MkII which does benefit from the HT bypass function so I can use it in 2 channel mode and with the HT system.

A cheap solution is to get the Bel Canto Pre3. If you can get the older model preowned, it's a good value. It does HT bypass with yr HT and IMHO provides a nice improvement in the soundstage of the DAC3. I think the Bel Canto system with the REF1000M is an excellent bang for the buck system.
Based on my experience, most AVPs do compromise somewhat on 2 channel usage so a dedicated 2 channel DAC/preamp is IMHO better sounding when it doesn't have to handle EQ/bass management and also high frequency video circuitry inside.

That said until you decide to go further, you can plug the DAC3 XLR to the AV8801's XLR input and turn on Pure Direct mode. It isn't a terrible compromise when I was using it with an albeit cheaper TEAC UD-501 DAC.
It's not a bug. "Large" is a misnomer here. Large merely means you don't want to use the subwoofer to augment the speaker.

You can set it to small, and make the crossover work at 40Hz for instance. In fact the only time I have found Audyssey to have set my speakers to large is when I use my Thiel CS3.7s with dual SS2s subwoofers (running in stereo augment mode with the S1 integrator so Audyssey sees them as ONE pair of speakers).

Can't help you on Zone 2 digital tho. But AppleTVs are cheap so if you really wanted one outside, it seems possible just to get another 99 buck device to stream outside, no?

I think he's referring to the 8003 having the bug which won't allow him to run fullrange or large speakers with a sub. The 8801 does have the LFE+Main setting, so yes he can indeed set his mains to large and have a sub playing as well, and of course he can set them to small and have a sub as well as this is the prescribed cleaner way but sometimes for 2/ch the LFE+Main setting can add some great additional bass from a good sub.
htdhvy's Avatar htdhvy 09:49 AM 08-25-2013
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Originally Posted by audiofan1 View Post

Having my 105 and 8801 connected in just about every conceivable way! I'd say your assessment on the 7.1 is correct but after my comparisons for 2/ch between hdmi>XLR>RCA , and one with the 105 direct to my Halo A21 via XLR, I found in the end the XLR's from the 105 and assigning them to the CD input in Pure direct to give up the least in transparency and overall fidelity compared to the Oppo direct to the amp ( and I mean very little and not enough to matter). I must also note after putting a better power cord on the 8801 and using Bitstream from the 105 via hdmi ( using a Pangea cable with POCC/4%silver) put the 8801 on a level within close reach of the 105 and offers a shall we say different take on the reproduction, the 105 only bested it in it's overall closer to the analog sound and longer sustaining of notes, both have exceptional midrange musicality. I recently enjoyed the 8801 for a week ,as it revealed new details and showed its true heritage very impressive to say the least and is worth it's salt and must not be overlooked.

I'll spend a little more time with the 7.1 for 2/ch and see if more is to be had, as the revisit to the 8801/hdmi revealed hidden gems wink.gif

This is how i had my DAC3 running into the AV8003 (via 2 channel XLR). I found the experience to be quite good (probably the best possible with that combo of gear).
htdhvy's Avatar htdhvy 10:11 AM 08-25-2013
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

I guess it really depends on how much you want to spend. I think the DAC3 is an excellent 2 channel DAC. I am using the slightly upgraded DAC3.5VB MkII which does benefit from the HT bypass function so I can use it in 2 channel mode and with the HT system.

How do you think the DAC3 compares to the DAC3.5VB MkII?
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A cheap solution is to get the Bel Canto Pre3. If you can get the older model preowned, it's a good value. It does HT bypass with yr HT and IMHO provides a nice improvement in the soundstage of the DAC3. I think the Bel Canto system with the REF1000M is an excellent bang for the buck system.

I have been considering this approach. Either getting a Pre3 or another 2 channel preamp with HT passthrough. Your post made me think of another possibility, selling my DAC3 and buying the DAC3.5 so I can use the HT passthrough. I am wondering now if a high quality 2 channel preamp (the McIntosh c2300 is one i had been thinking about) + DAC3 would be better or just switching to a DAC3.5. So much to consider!
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Based on my experience, most AVPs do compromise somewhat on 2 channel usage so a dedicated 2 channel DAC/preamp is IMHO better sounding when it doesn't have to handle EQ/bass management and also high frequency video circuitry inside.

I'm finding the same. The advantage of going the HT passthrough route as opposed to buying a super expensive processor (like the Meridian) that is great for HT and 2 channel is that as new audio codecs are released, I'm not stuck with a dated ultra high quality component. I could keep switching between reasonably priced Marantz-like processors and keep a very high quality 2 channel preamp for ever (the tech in that area isnt progressing much).
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That said until you decide to go further, you can plug the DAC3 XLR to the AV8801's XLR input and turn on Pure Direct mode. It isn't a terrible compromise when I was using it with an albeit cheaper TEAC UD-501 DAC.
It's not a bug.

This is how i was using the DAC3 with the AV8003 prior to buying the Salon 2s. I just have the Salon 2s in a different room at the moment and moved the DAC3. I'll go back to the XLR/pure direct setup until I decide how to ultimately configure the whole setup.
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"Large" is a misnomer here. Large merely means you don't want to use the subwoofer to augment the speaker.

As someone else mentioned, on the AV8003, if you select "Large + Sub" the sub doesn't actually work.
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You can set it to small, and make the crossover work at 40Hz for instance. In fact the only time I have found Audyssey to have set my speakers to large is when I use my Thiel CS3.7s with dual SS2s subwoofers (running in stereo augment mode with the S1 integrator so Audyssey sees them as ONE pair of speakers).

Hadn't thought of that, ill give it a try. I'm assuming the disadvantage is that only 40Hz and below will go to the sub and the speakers will be cutoff at 40Hz. If I could do a Large + Sub setup i could have them overlap a bit.
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Can't help you on Zone 2 digital tho. But AppleTVs are cheap so if you really wanted one outside, it seems possible just to get another 99 buck device to stream outside, no?

The issue is the AppleTV being all digital. Cheap solution though, I bought an older gen AirPort Express off of eBay for $25 which has an analog output. I'm sure its DAC is garbage but at least I have sound on my porch again for the time being.
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson 10:31 AM 08-25-2013
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Hadn't thought of that, ill give it a try. I'm assuming the disadvantage is that only 40Hz and below will go to the sub and the speakers will be cutoff at 40Hz. If I could do a Large + Sub setup i could have them overlap a bit.
     

The 40Hz filter is not an absolute cut-off and there will be considerable output capability below that as the response rolls off. 

 

Your Revels have excellent LF response and Audyssey XT32 will EQ them all the way down as it will the sub.  You can use the Revels as LARGE and devote the sub to LFE or you can use them to a defined roll-off and supplement them with the sub below that.  So, let me ask why you want LFE+Main?  It is not needed in your case.


htdhvy's Avatar htdhvy 11:54 AM 08-25-2013
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The 40Hz filter is not an absolute cut-off and there will be considerable output capability below that as the response rolls off. 

Your Revels have excellent LF response and Audyssey XT32 will EQ them all the way down as it will the sub.  You can use the Revels as LARGE and devote the sub to LFE or you can use them to a defined roll-off and supplement them with the sub below that.  So, let me ask why you want LFE+Main?  It is not needed in your case.

I assumed if I used a roll off it would be an absolute cut off point and I would lose out on some of the LF response from the speakers. If thats not the case then this solution would work. My plan was to send everything to the Salon 2s and then start the f113 at 80Hz and below. If I set the cutoff at 80Hz, i wonder how much below that would still "roll" to the main speakers. I'll give it a try with my AV8003...

If I purchase a high quality 2 channel preamp with HT passthrough and run my DAC3 in that, is there anyway to take advantage of the sub for 2 channel music still? I'm guessing since the f113 would be directly connected to the AV8801, I would lose access to it when using the 2 channel preamp for music.
DonCapp's Avatar DonCapp 01:21 PM 08-25-2013
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Originally Posted by akopperl

I've had a few bugs:

1 - The OSD stops working frequently. It appears to occur whenever the source's video resolution changes. This is unacceptable behavior for a unit this expensive.

2 - The Dialogue Enhancer setting wasn't holding - reported by others. This seems to be fixed in the latest firmware. It worked properly for me yesterday. I'll test more over the weekend.
I

Aha! - another owner with the 'Dialog Enhancer' not holding it setting!
(that makes it 3of us that I know of now...).
I tried Audiofan1's suggestion (in post #6038 above - thank you by the way!), but it didn't work. Still won't hold that setting.
And like Audifan1 mentioned, when I make the change, I can hear it, but after exiting the menu, I'll go back in later to check and its back on "Off", again...

So, akopper'?, you think the latest firmware update fixed this problem, even though its not mentioned in Marantz's listing?
Odd then that the guy at Marantz who responded to my email inquiry acted like he'd never heard of the problem before.

In any case, its not an earth-shaking problem, but I haven't updated the firmware since early February, and I'm not hard wired in, so its a bit of a hassle to do it...
But I'll probably move up the date that I would have later done it then.


I have had the 8801 for 6 weeks now. This is my 2nd unit. The 1st had a short in the R surround output on XLR and RCA outputs. The dealer replaced the unit....problem solved. I have updated the firmware yet am having trouble getting the dialog enhancer to stay engaged. Sometimes it does for a while other times it reverts to off as soon as I exit one step back out of the menu. It does it on all video inputs material running or not(paused). I don't need it often but would like to be able to engage it if I want. I know it's been awhile since you posted this but was wondering if you found a fix. Any help would be much appreciated.
Kal Rubinson's Avatar Kal Rubinson 04:35 PM 08-25-2013
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1.  I assumed if I used a roll off it would be an absolute cut off point and I would lose out on some of the LF response from the speakers. If thats not the case then this solution would work. My plan was to send everything to the Salon 2s and then start the f113 at 80Hz and below.
2.  If I set the cutoff at 80Hz, i wonder how much below that would still "roll" to the main speakers. I'll give it a try with my AV8003...
3.  If I purchase a high quality 2 channel preamp with HT passthrough and run my DAC3 in that, is there anyway to take advantage of the sub for 2 channel music still? I'm guessing since the f113 would be directly connected to the AV8801, I would lose access to it when using the 2 channel preamp for music.

1.  How fast it rolls off is dependent on the filter slope and I do not know what it is for the 8003.  I would, however, bypass the crossover on the f113 no matter what setting you use on the processor because there should never be more than one filter in the circuit for any speaker.  (There are arcane exceptions.)

 

2.  Setting the Salons at 80Hz will definitely remove bass extension from them which, of course, would be filled in by the sub.  This is normal bass management and you should experiment to see what sounds best.  

 

3.  Yes, you would not be able to use the sub for stereo via the 2 channel preamp.  There is no simple way to do this without adding switches or making on-the-fly reconnections.

 

But why are you avoiding the regular bass management setup as in (2)?


htdhvy's Avatar htdhvy 07:30 PM 08-25-2013
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

But why are you avoiding the regular bass management setup as in (2)?

It's not that i'm trying to avoid it, i'm trying to land on a single system for home theater and music and hopefully take advantage of the f113 and the Salon 2s in both situations. Setup 2 would work for movies but not for music if i add the preamp. From what ive gathered, the AV8801 (and most other good/reasonably priced home theater processors are great for movies and decent for music. If i add a strong 2 channel preamp, i improve the 2 channel music performance but lose access to the f113 for music. Not that I need more bass than what the Salon 2s provide for 2 channel, but since i already have the f113 it would be nice to have access to it.
jmschnur's Avatar jmschnur 08:53 PM 08-25-2013
The Marantz 8801 is a lot better than good for music.
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