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I would hope that no vocals would be coming from the rear channels other than ambient effects like crowd noise or shouting in the distance. "Right" behind you I would tend to agree, but a properly treated room, OR, with the speaker angled at the LP so as to not bounce off the front wall, you could avoid this.

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Some concert videos have backup vocalists and/or instruments in the surround channels. i.e. they're artistic mixes, not ambient mixes.

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The Roy Orbison blu ray has the backups (Bonnie Raitt K.D.
Lang etc ) in the sides.
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The Roy Orbison blu ray has the backups (Bonnie Raitt K.D.
Lang etc ) in the sides.



How is the sound quality on that one JM?
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Roy Orbison and Friends: A Black and White Night
This is one of the best Blu Ray audio for rock ever made. The video is great and nostalgic for us oldies.
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Roy Orbison and Friends: A Black and White Night
This is one of the best Blu Ray audio for rock ever made. The video is great and nostalgic for us oldies.



I might have to pick that up to check out the SQ. I only have one blu ray audio disc, Led Zep celebration day and I was disappointed with it. I think it's a combo of their age and the disc, although I saw David Gilmour from PF when he was 60 and they were amazing. But they always got their sound right live or otherwise.
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Look up the reviews on the net. There is a wiki on it as well.
The Last waltz by the band is also very good.
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Look up the reviews on the net. There is a wiki on it as well.
The Last waltz by the band is also very good.



I definitely will thanks.
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I would hope that no vocals would be coming from the rear channels other than ambient effects like crowd noise or shouting in the distance. "Right" behind you I would tend to agree, but a properly treated room, OR, with the speaker angled at the LP so as to not bounce off the front wall, you could avoid this.

The problem would be in surround panning. Like for example if he plays Transformers Dark of the Moon on the very first paramount logo he will hear it go around his right shoulder to the back then for a split second or two he will hear the panning up front then back to his left shoulder. This will happen on many more occasions if he chooses to use only 1 back surround right behind him.
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I would hope that no vocals would be coming from the rear channels other than ambient effects like crowd noise or shouting in the distance.
There are movies, like 'Mission to Mars' and 'Dragonheart', that have dialogue panning through the surrounds.
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"Right" behind you I would tend to agree, but a properly treated room, OR, with the speaker angled at the LP so as to not bounce off the front wall, you could avoid this.
Unavoidable, since it doesn't have to do with front wall reflections nor how well the room is treated.

A speaker along the listener's centre line will be heard equally in both ears. Our human hearing reflexively puts those sounds directly in front of us (expectation bias). However, we humans tend to make small involuntary head movements to constantly re-calibrate our surroundings. Problem is, by the time you figure out the sound is directly behind you rather than in front of you, the sound effect is likely gone (sound effects in movies are brief).

The solution doesn't get simpler: use 2 speakers, spread well (at least 30 degrees) from the centre line. This is why Dolby, DTS and THX all recommended using 2 rear speakers for playing back the mono surround-back channel of their EX/ES soundtrack. Note that it was the only channel where 2 speakers were recommeded for playback.

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Roy Orbison and Friends: A Black and White Night
This is one of the best Blu Ray audio for rock ever made. The video is great and nostalgic for us oldies.

Totally agree.

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OK, this is probably a stupid question, but here goes..

I ran the Audyssey Pro Kit on my 8801. After everything was done I uploaded it to the 8801 and everything was completed successfully. After playing around a bit I noticed that the Audyssey setting was set to off after I completed the calibration.


My question is - After you upload the pro data to the 8801 does the on/off setting for Audyssey do anything, does it toggle between the pro calibration and the standard calibration (pro = off and standard = on). or is off = out of the box 8801 uncalibrated and on = Pro calibration?

Thanks in advance.
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No. Just set Audyssey to on. You should be ok. You can check by looking in the distance and xovers and comparing with what the pro page said as you were uploading. If you did not save perhaps you should rerun and do so. After uploading a saved pro the sub distances can be off so be sure to write them down after the pro run.
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I would hope that no vocals would be coming from the rear channels other than ambient effects like crowd noise or shouting in the distance.
There are movies, like 'Mission to Mars' and 'Dragonheart', that have dialogue panning through the surrounds.
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"Right" behind you I would tend to agree, but a properly treated room, OR, with the speaker angled at the LP so as to not bounce off the front wall, you could avoid this.
Unavoidable, since it doesn't have to do with front wall reflections nor how well the room is treated.

A speaker along the listener's centre line will be heard equally in both ears. Our human hearing reflexively puts those sounds directly in front of us (expectation bias). However, we humans tend to make small involuntary head movements to constantly re-calibrate our surroundings. Problem is, by the time you figure out the sound is directly behind you rather than in front of you, the sound effect is likely gone (sound effects in movies are brief).

The solution doesn't get simpler: use 2 speakers, spread well (at least 30 degrees) from the centre line. This is why Dolby, DTS and THX all recommended using 2 rear speakers for playing back the mono surround-back channel of their EX/ES soundtrack. Note that it was the only channel where 2 speakers were recommeded for playback.

 

I always wondered about that. Ages ago, in a different house, I had a single rear surround speaker and I noticed exactly what you say. At the time I didn't have any idea why it produced this effect but I found it irritating enough to eventually fix up a second rear surround speaker. This cured the problem but it mystified me as to why two speakers delivering a mono signal would sound different to one speaker delivering a mono signal. Your explanation now makes perfect sense. I had totally forgotten all about that setup until I saw these recent posts here and given up long ago trying to figure out the cause of the effect I was experiencing. 

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There are movies, like 'Mission to Mars' and 'Dragonheart', that have dialogue panning through the surrounds.
Unavoidable, since it doesn't have to do with front wall reflections nor how well the room is treated.

A speaker along the listener's centre line will be heard equally in both ears. Our human hearing reflexively puts those sounds directly in front of us (expectation bias). However, we humans tend to make small involuntary head movements to constantly re-calibrate our surroundings. Problem is, by the time you figure out the sound is directly behind you rather than in front of you, the sound effect is likely gone (sound effects in movies are brief).

The solution doesn't get simpler: use 2 speakers, spread well (at least 30 degrees) from the centre line. This is why Dolby, DTS and THX all recommended using 2 rear speakers for playing back the mono surround-back channel of their EX/ES soundtrack. Note that it was the only channel where 2 speakers were recommeded for playback.

Nice take. Having zero experience with a single rear surround, I should probably keep my trap shut eh?!?! Well, at least I learned something new today smile.gif

On another note, it is a little early to definitevely say, but I listened to some tunes last night in Pure mode with the new Sherbourn amp (7-350) I just scooped and was mad impressed by the combo. It was truly incredible. A few libations had already gone down though, whilst moving the entire rack around so I need to have a more discerning listen to the combo, but so far, it has really shined.

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After I ran Audyssey and saved my settings I lost my OSD. Any suggestions? I can't get it back on.
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Are you sure display is on and HDMI is plugged in? Does Deremote see the unit. If so try a source that uses the display. If it us only the osd look at your panel and make sure your setting is for it to be on.

If so reload your previous settings.

If that does not work:

Unplug for 5 minutes.

If that does not work a full reset.
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Are you sure display is on and HDMI is plugged in? Does Deremote see the unit. If so try a douce that uses the display. If not:

Unplug for 5 minutes.

If that does not work a full reset.



Deremote is seeing the 8801. I have my Oppo's video going through the 8801 and it won't display either. I'm going to unplug it and try it again. Weird because it was working when I ran Audyssey and when I hit save it went out.
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After I ran Audyssey and saved my settings I lost my OSD. Any suggestions? I can't get it back on.

You lost it entirely as in it's gone AWOL or you see it and it goes away a few seconds later (ie. PURE DIRECT)?

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You lost it entirely as in it's gone AWOL or you see it and it goes away a few seconds later (ie. PURE DIRECT)?



No I lost it completely after I saved Audyssey's settings.
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Anybody else having issues with the latest AV8801 firmware update?

I was going to do it but then I read the 8801 will no longer appear in an iOS device.
Any other bugs to be concerned about or should avoid it all together since I am happy with what
its doing right now.
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Mine is working fine and the latest firmware info is on the first post, where I didn't see anything I needed so I left it alone. "If it ain't broke, update it until it is" not my mantra.
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Is there a way to have the update pop up "firmware update" message disabled then?
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OSD is switched on, I did not change any settings so I'm lost here. Very hard to navigate off the Marantz display.
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When you turn it off and unplug and replug what happens?
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Does jr remote on the ipad see the 8801 as a player after the update? Does Deremote work on an ipad seeing the 8801 after the 9/9 update?
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When you turn it off and unplug and replug what happens?



Everything is normal except I have no OSD.
When I unplug from off positioning them plug it back in it goes into standby, red light on.
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I want to be sure you see cable, oppo fine? That is is the TV is working? You do not see the on screen display but you see the information in you marantz?

Also in setup then video, then on screen display then ifo the settings is on, the setting in now playing is on? Etc?

So if your tv is working fine and you can all of your video as you want and pay our HDMI connection is working, I would do a reset. Then go through the process of setting up again. If you saved settings prior to all this you could reload.

Settings can be save pd via the web page .

You can also see your osd via the web page by the way. Web page is found at the IP setting of the device.


Reset is game sleep standby by held as set it turned on. Page 186 in manual.
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I want to be sure you see cable, oppo fine? That is the TV is working? You do not see the on screen display but you see the information in you marantz?



Yes. I just put a BD in and I have no video passing through the 8801. It must be in the input assign.
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At the time I didn't have any idea why it produced this effect...
Ironic that it (single rear speaker) isn't producing the effect, our human hearing is. Like wondering what's wrong with a measured flat response that keeps it from scoring well in preference tests, when the problem is our hearing (we don't hear it as flat).

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