Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy
No one needs a $3,500 Pre-Amp. No one needs a $20,000 mono-block.Cheers.
but maybe some of us really want one
for whatever reasons...front panel displays (Pio SC-09), blue LED's in portholes, blue LED's on over-priced surge protectors, glossy black finish or 1/4" thick exotic looking aluminum front plates all included
pure audio quality, subjective or objective, are not the only criteria and it's really hard sometimes to be honest with oneself on many of these things
so we disguise our subjective wow factor reasons in objective-speak & pretend we may have "objective" reasons. human nature at work...that's why salesmanship & good marketing is the art of finding out what really motivates the buyer.
a Porsche Cayenne objectively may not do anything significantly different or better than a Kia Sorrento, at least enough to justify costing 1.5-2 times as much, but try telling that to a Porsche owner...
I won't deny one bit that if I were shopping now, which I'm not, I'd have to seriously consider this Marantz - in my heart I know I probably couldn't tell the difference at all between it & the 4520 but it still appeals to me & my long-term "desire" for hi-quality separates at a price I can afford. I don't care if Emotiva ever comes out with its prepro, even at 1/2 the price, because I know Emotiva's track record for crappy processors that don't work vs the performance, build quality & reputation of Pioneer, Denon, & Marantz.
and to belately answer Krobar, no, I'm not dumping my Pioneer Susano, but someday I might consider adding the 8801
It's got the features of the 4520 + the kind of build quality of the Susano that I might place some value on. I may have no intention of getting a particular piece of gear, but I do like to keep up with new models, especially interesting ones. so, I'm just interested in how this stacks up vs the 4520. I have manuals for all kinds of prepros, receivers, amps, players, accessories on the hard drive just so I can try & keep up with what's out there.
no matter who reviews this, joerod included, he can't help trying to put objective reasons on something that is a subjective comparison at best. Does he have bench test gear & as knowledgeable about using it & interpreting the results as a Secrets of HiFi, Home Theater Mag or an Audioholics? don't know but probably not.
So anything he comes up with will be subjective or a objective-subjective hybrid. that doesn't mean it has no value, not saying that at all, just means the burden is on us
to realize this and understand the limitations of any review we read.
joe, I'll read your review and will look for it when you're done.
but what I won't do is consider anyone's opinion as gospel, even Joe's, and run out and replace my current gear with it. I'd want to go look at one, read the manual, do a listening audition if at all possible, and decide for myself if that extra $1500 is worth it vs the 4520 & my existing setup.
as much as I've read some of Joe's reviews over the years, I've learned to trust no one's subjective bias' better than my own
a pet peeve I have is all the posts from people asking whether they should buy brand x or brand y and expect to get free sales advice. One, nobody can possibly know the objective answer to that and two, have so many people turned into lazy sheep
that they'll take the advice of someone they've never met, have no idea what their qual's are, over reputable dealers or their own ability to download manuals & read them? looks that way and that's sad. what's worse is when they get advice & it's not what they want to hear, they argue with you about it
random musings on a Fri morning
OK, Joe, the ball is in your court