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I used the unbalanced outputs for a few months before upgrading my amps to Parasounds and was happy with the performance in both modes.

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Presumably it's http://www.accucalhd.com/

It'd be interesting to know exactly what they did.

(If I'm reading their audio Web page correctly they probably used Audyssey Pro.)



I might inquire Selden, I'm as curious as you are. If I do I'll PM you if that's ok.

Sure, but I suspect they won't tell you, other than perhaps providing something like the generic answer that's on their Web site. It'd be an invasion of Blightning2007's privacy: for all they'd know you might be a potential thief. I was hoping Blightning2007 would be able to tell us.
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I used the unbalanced outputs for a few months before upgrading my amps to Parasounds and was happy with the performance in both modes.

Yep! should be good to go XLR or RCA wink.gif
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Thanks much! Time has slowed dramatically while I wait for the shipment smile.gif

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Presumably it's http://www.accucalhd.com/

It'd be interesting to know exactly what they did.

(If I'm reading their audio Web page correctly they probably used Audyssey Pro.)

My guess as well, although you'll note the links on his website mention using his other equipment as the model they were calibrating only had Audyssey MultEQ and Audyssey Pro only works with XT and X32 models, although not all.

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Quick question. Would anyone here think it would be an advantage to trade unit for unit AV8801 to a Denon AVP-A1HDCI with the upgrade? Thanks for your input
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Quick question. Would anyone here think it would be an advantage to trade unit for unit AV8801 to a Denon AVP-A1HDCI with the upgrade? Thanks for your input

I wouldn't wink.gif
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Presumably it's http://www.accucalhd.com/

It'd be interesting to know exactly what they did.

(If I'm reading their audio Web page correctly they probably used Audyssey Pro.)

My guess as well, although you'll note the links on his website mention using his other equipment as the model they were calibrating only had Audyssey MultEQ and Audyssey Pro only works with XT and X32 models, although not all.
Seems to me that the Audyssey Pro would be the only way to calibrate. They may use a RTA to verify and if needed.

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Quick question. Would anyone here think it would be an advantage to trade unit for unit AV8801 to a Denon AVP-A1HDCI with the upgrade? Thanks for your input

I would on the following conditions -
a. I only used 9.x channels (not the full 11.x supported by the AV8801) supported by the AVP
b. I had a matching Denon A1UDC universal player AND I was going to play a fair amount of DVDA/SACD/BD audio
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I would on the following conditions -
a. I only used 9.x channels (not the full 11.x supported by the AV8801) supported by the AVP
b. I had a matching Denon A1UDC universal player AND I was going to play a fair amount of DVDA/SACD/BD audio

Only using 7.2 at the moment with speakers waiting for 9.2. I will eventually want to go 11.2 not anytime soon. Not making the jump to 4k anytime soon. I do not play a fair amount of DVDA/SACD/BD audio. I am a movie guy and I don't see myself letting go of my Oppo BDP-95
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Out of curiosity, why not?

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Out of curiosity, why not?

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Can't say I blame you for hanging on the Oppo 95;) I only let mine go to get the 105 . You happened to list one reason above, the upgrade from my 5.1 set up to 11.2 another being Full blown Auydyssey XT32 and Sub EQ as for 4K who knows but there are more reasons, one is I love the 8801's handling of movie soundtracks and not to mention its a fantastic preamp for the Oppo 's Sabre Dac's. And did I mention it sounds fantastic smile.gif
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Can't say I blame you for hanging on the Oppo 95;) I only let mine go to get the 105 . You happened to list one reason above, the upgrade from my 5.1 set up to 11.2 another being Full blown Auydyssey XT32 and Sub EQ as for 4K who knows but there are more reasons, one is I love the 8801's handling of movie soundtracks and not to mention its a fantastic preamp for the Oppo 's Sabre Dac's. And did I mention it sounds fantastic smile.gif

You are totally right about how great the 8801 sounds. I went from a Denon 4310ci to the 8801 and was blown away. I was mostly concerned if there would be a significant difference in performance by going to a true balanced pre amp by using the XLRs. I waited forever and a day for the 8801 to be released and the second I was able to pre order it I did. This trade opportunity came up and just wanted some more opinions from us 8801 owners. To be honest I think the 8801 looks a hell of a lot better as well. Out of more curiosity, how do you have your Oppo hooked up to the 8801? Also why did you go from the 95 to the 105? I have been staring at Oppos page all day looking at the 105
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I still can't get the PS4 to work correctly here - this is making me crazy. The resolution does not come in at 1080p - you get a reduced screen size that is obviously not at full HD.

I am using a Digital Projection Titan 1080p-250 projector. I have a feeling that this could be the problem (only because its a 2007 era device).

Anyone else have any good ideas?

Anyone using the PS4 with the 8801 have to change any default options?

My PS3 has worked fine.

Do you have your settings on the PS4 to automatic?
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Only using 7.2 at the moment with speakers waiting for 9.2. I will eventually want to go 11.2 not anytime soon. Not making the jump to 4k anytime soon. I do not play a fair amount of DVDA/SACD/BD audio. I am a movie guy and I don't see myself letting go of my Oppo BDP-95

Then I'd skip on the Denon AVP

The AVP and A1UDC have DenonLink which provides IMHO a better way of providing PCM and DSD data from the player to the AVP's DAC using a clock link that improves the SQ.

If you are using the Oppo you are losing IMHO a big advantage of the system
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You are totally right about how great the 8801 sounds. I went from a Denon 4310ci to the 8801 and was blown away. I was mostly concerned if there would be a significant difference in performance by going to a true balanced pre amp by using the XLRs. I waited forever and a day for the 8801 to be released and the second I was able to pre order it I did. This trade opportunity came up and just wanted some more opinions from us 8801 owners. To be honest I think the 8801 looks a hell of a lot better as well. Out of more curiosity, how do you have your Oppo hooked up to the 8801? Also why did you go from the 95 to the 105? I have been staring at Oppos page all day looking at the 105
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Going from the 95 to the 105 was a matter of trust I gained from Oppo after owning the 105 for a year and a half. it has the same dac's but no fan more robust construction and a host of features I'm finding useful. As for the SQ it gained a bit more resolution ( which I didn't think possible) and refinement. i have the 105 running XLR HDMI and Optical to the 8801. Let's just say if you own the 95 and are on the fence on letting it go for the 105 ,well the 105 is the one to hold onto wink.gif

And I find the 8801 looks better as well smile.gif
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Then I'd skip on the Denon AVP

The AVP and A1UDC have DenonLink which provides IMHO a better way of providing PCM and DSD data from the player to the AVP's DAC using a clock link that improves the SQ.

If you are using the Oppo you are losing IMHO a big advantage of the system

Makes total sense. Thanks for your help!smile.gif
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Going from the 95 to the 105 was a matter of trust I gained from Oppo after owning the 105 for a year and a half. it has the same dac's but no fan more robust construction and a host of features I'm finding useful. As for the SQ it gained a bit more resolution ( which I didn't think possible) and refinement. i have the 105 running XLR HDMI and Optical to the 8801. Let's just say if you own the 95 and are on the fence on letting it go for the 105 ,well the 105 is the one to hold onto wink.gif

And I find the 8801 looks better as well smile.gif


Awesome! Thanks for your help with all this. I think I am going to wait to see what Oppo comes with next. Curious to see if the go with an 105 Darbee
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Do you have your settings on the PS4 to automatic?

If you're referring to the resolution settings, the only one that is not grayed out is Auto.

If you're referring to the other color settings, I have tried all and none seem to change the outcome.
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I posted the following question in the 7008 thread:

Hi guys, need your kind help with some odd issue I have with the 7008.

I am looking to buy the 8801 but could only get the 7008 to demo in my house. I have a 7.2 setup so I used the 7008 pre out terminals and did full audyssey setup. everything sounded excellent and I was very impressed from the overall sound.
The only thing is that for every 5.1 DTS or DTS MA material the 7008 output is 7.1 (7.2 in my case) meaning the back surrounds always work!!!
It doesn't happen with DD or True HD source material and I have tried different sources such as Dune HD and Oppo 105 and also changed sound modes to direct and pure direct but always got the same result.

Any idea what am I doing wrong?


The answer I received was:

"This started happening on Denon AVRs a few years ago and when I spoke to a DTS engineer about it, he indicated that DTS changed they way that 5.1 audio was processed on 7.1 setups, rather not allowing 5.1 but instead passing it as 7.1."

Can you please confirm that this is also the case for the 8801?

I like my audio to be "as is" with no additional processing and in my case the 5.1 to 7.1 conversion really makes the back stage too loud and unbalanced. why not making it configurable?

Thanks for your help…
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You might try changing the receiver's "Reference Level Offset" or turning off DynEQ entirely to see if they help.

"Back stage too loud" can also be a result of how Audyssey designed DynEQ. When you listen at a sound level below reference (below 80 on the absolute volume scale, at negative values on the relative scale), DynEQ boosts the bass and (to a lesser extent) the treble to compensate for our hearing being less sensitive to those frequencies at lower volume levels. That part of DynEQ is OK. Unfortunately, Audyssey (the company) also decided to boost the relative sound level coming from the rear speaker channels, which is not so OK.

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I am looking to buy the 8801 but could only get the 7008 to demo in my house. I have a 7.2 setup so I used the 7008 pre out terminals and did full audyssey setup. everything sounded excellent and I was very impressed from the overall sound.
The only thing is that for every 5.1 DTS or DTS MA material the 7008 output is 7.1 (7.2 in my case) meaning the back surrounds always work!!!

I like my audio to be "as is" with no additional processing and in my case the 5.1 to 7.1 conversion really makes the back stage too loud and unbalanced. why not making it configurable?
Couple of thoughts. As Selden advised, if you are using DynEQ, try turning it off. That will be much more in keeping with leaving the audio "as is". wink.gif

If the DynEQ was already off, and the back channels are too loud, there's something wrong. DTS is applying the same signals to the rear and side surrounds, all at same level (-3 dB from normal 5.1 case). If your surrounds are at 90-deg and the rears are at 150-deg, you should hear a phantom surround image at roughly 110-120 deg, which is a lot closer to where the surrounds would be in a proper 5.1 setup. If you are playing 5.1 content in a 7.1 setup with the rears silent, it is not really the optimal presentation.

You can override the DTS process. One way to to change the speaker config to 5.1. Some processors make that a lot easier than others. Or you can use PLIIx, which makes better use of the 4 surrounds than just dual stereo pairs.
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Presumably it's http://www.accucalhd.com/

It'd be interesting to know exactly what they did.

(If I'm reading their audio Web page correctly they probably used Audyssey Pro.)

Actually, clicking on some of the hyperlinks in the audio section sheds some light. It appears they are not big fans of audyssey, and good ole' speaker placement, room treatment, and just regular receiver settings are their go-to's in calibration.

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This area to be exact:

http://www.homecinemaguru.com/audyssey-multeq-comparison-to-manual-audio-calibration/

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But then I take this back as one of their Tookit tools is in fact Audyssey pro. interesting approach badmouthing audyssey then turning around and using it to in the end, eq the system properly. Although I have to say the merits of proper speaker location and room treatments should definitely be accessed first.
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But then I take this back as one of their Tookit tools is in fact Audyssey pro. interesting approach badmouthing audyssey then turning around and using it to in the end, eq the system properly. Although I have to say the merits of proper speaker location and room treatments should definitely be accessed first.

If they do not consider Audyssey Pro to be "automated calibration", then there is consistency.
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Well, their description of Audyssey is exactly what the novice would do and discover. Only those who've spent the time to read the Audyssey documentation here on AVS would realize just how limited that approach is.

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The Emotiva XMC-1 to be available this January (or February?) will be a 'fully balanced' surround pre-pro.
Part of their product description reads:
"The XMC-1 is also a highly refined pure analog preamplifier, with a fully balanced audio path. Its analog performance easily meets the needs of the most demanding two-channel playback system".
Also a surround processor with Dirac Live™ room correction...
http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/processors/products/xmc1
$2,000.

4K video at 60Hz will require HDMI 2.0 which has double the bandwidth of HDMI 1.4 and is a released standard. The XMC-1 listing says it supports HDMI 1.4 but doesn't list 2.0. The world is moving on to higher resolution video. I don't see considering a device that isn't yet available and still lacks support for existing standards such as HDMI 2.0. The AV8801, which I own and enjoy, is an existing product and supports HDMI 1.4 and 4K 24Hz which is fine for now, but there is always the future.....

CES 2014 will likely have a large number of 4K sets available. While content likely will take a long time to catch up there will still be advantages to the higher resolution now, especially with the 80-inch plus sets that are becoming more common.
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Audyssey pro wasn't used and wasn't recommended
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