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Another option would be the DTS Neo:X 11.2 mode as well.

I like DTS Neo:X for movies/TV shows and DSX+DPLII for music
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Yup. Set the Sub setting to LFE+MAIN. smile.gif

Hmmmm, I didn't know this. I'll have to give it a try tomorrow.

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Does anyone here use the "Dialog Enhancer"?
If so what is your preference "low/medium/high"?

and/or the Dynamic EQ?

In the manual pg 138, "Manual Setup" is the place to change some configuration like setting speaker from large to small and maybe adding a 1db boust to the bass and keeping the Audyssey findind and running the XT32 (afer the Audyssey has done it's things).
Do I read this right or wrong?

I would like to do set-up once and be done since I do not have lots of time to do the set-up.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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I run the dialog enhancer for TV shows, not for movies unless the movie dialog isn't very clear. TV show dialog always seems mushy to me without it.

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I think it will more than likely set to off.
I will run the HDMI from the Marantz to the projector for about a month, then swich it back to the HDMI out2 of the Oppo BD103 (when it is direct from the Oppo, you are blind if you trying to do some adjustment since the signal is direct from the Oppo to the projector).

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Guys,
I have the Denon 4520 and I am told that the Denon 4520 sounds as good as the 8801. Is there any truth to this?

I am looking to upgrade my sound and I am looking at the 8801 and the Yamaha CX5000. Will I really gain much over my 4520 by making a move to either of these units?


Thanks for any great advise. Merry Christmas

Have you at least tried the 4520 with an external amp before moving on to see if you like the sound. As for the sound of the 8801 it has a serious paper trail and many here feel its earned its sonic salt for multi and 2/ch enthusiast alike. If you can try to get a listen to an 8801 and CX5000 . I do remember two here that came from 4520 to the 8801 maybe they'll chime in.
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Have you at least tried the 4520 with an external amp before moving on to see if you like the sound. As for the sound of the 8801 it has a serious paper trail and many here feel its earned its sonic salt for multi and 2/ch enthusiast alike. If you can try to get a listen to an 8801 and CX5000 . I do remember two here that came from 4520 to the 8801 maybe they'll chime in.
Thanks, I did a search and found this page http://www.avsforum.com/t/1447488/denon-4520-vs-marantz-8801 gave me a few answers
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When I set all crossovers to 80 the dialog enhancer stays on its setting.
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I am looking to upgrade my sound and I am looking at the 8801 and the Yamaha CX5000. Will I really gain much over my 4520 by making a move to either of these units?

Thanks for any great advise. Merry Christmas

The main difference for me between the two is that Marantz uses front high and wide to achieve 11 channels while the Yahama uses what they call rear presence to get to 11 channels.

I like having the extra channels at the front of the sound stage instead of at the rear.

Try listening to both to see what sounds best to you before making your purchase decision.

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When I set all crossovers to 80 the dialog enhancer stays on its setting.
Now THAT is odd - why would that be the case I wonder?
I can't get the DE on my AV8801 to stay "On" unless a standard definition video source is selected.
It refuses to stay set on "On" (always reverting immmeditaely to "Off") with HD cable TV sources...).

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Well the dialog enhancer stopped working after I turned the 8801 off. Now the 80 crossover setting makes no difference. It reverts to off. Back to stage one.
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Really liking the AV8801 so far. Overall, it is a very nice feature packed pre/pro. Audyssey XT32 also blows away the MultiEQ on my Onkyo TX-NR905 (as does the menus, etc...).

However, so far, I've had a few issues and I'm hoping you guys have already solved these. I'm hoping they aren't firmware issues as I don't have an engineering contact at Marantz.

1. Does anyone have 5.1 files playing in 5.1 over the network or via USB using the AV8801 to play files?
I've been using WIndows Media Player (WMP) and Windows Media Center (WMC). I set things up so FLAC is supported in WMC and WMP (using the tool from sourceforge.net). I've ripped many DVD-Audio discs to multi-channel flac files. These files play fine in Windows, and play in 5.1. However, the Marantz plays them in stereo, even when using a USB stick. Is there a setting somewhere to fix this?

2. The trigger outputs do not send event packets over RS232 or TCP when they are switched on/off by the unit automatically?
However, they can be controlled using RS232 or TCP. Is there a setting somewhere I'm missing? I manually set things up so only the Main zone power should control the triggers. This works, it's just no event packet is sent when the triggers are changed so my home automation server cannot track trigger state without polling.

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Hope this will not be OT

With my previous amp I was enjoying a very simple but really nice feature.
Listen to good music while showing something on tv, eg sky documentary, DVD movie. When input signal doesn't involve video input (like cd or network) last hdmi signal is showed.
Apparently this is not possible with av8801 because it switches all to the new source. If cd has not video signal, screen gets dark with marantz logo (and with no screen saver...).
Does anyone know how and if that has a solution ?
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You are referring to the "Video Select" feature (p. 136 OM) which only works with analog video sources.


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Thanks. It could be slightly useful, sadly much less than my prev situation.
If I understand I should choose one video source, ie sky, exit with scart video (hopefully it will output both hdmi and scart simultaneously) convert scart to a poor svideo and join tho signal to cd entrance.
Am I right ?
Is that the maximum I can get ?
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Thanks. It could be slightly useful, sadly much less than my prev situation.
If I understand I should choose one video source, ie sky, exit with scart video (hopefully it will output both hdmi and scart simultaneously) convert scart to a poor svideo and join tho signal to cd entrance.
Am I right ?
Is that the maximum I can get ?
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I haven't done it myself, but I believe you can do it using the Input Assign functions. Check Page 133 of the manual. I see this part: To play the video signal assigned at “HDMI” combined with the audio signal assigned at “Input Assign” – “DIGITAL”, select “Digital” at “Input Mode” (vpage 136).

That sounds like you can use the HDMI signal from one source, with the audio from another source. You'll probably have to set it up under a different virtual input.

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Hi mookie b,
Cannot create a virtual device because hdmi input can be assigned only once, so that only the real device must be assigned to the proper hdmi input
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@jdsmoothie
Thanks. It could be slightly useful, sadly much less than my prev situation.
If I understand I should choose one video source, ie sky, exit with scart video (hopefully it will output both hdmi and scart simultaneously) convert scart to a poor svideo and join tho signal to cd entrance.
Am I right ?
Is that the maximum I can get ?
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The work around most use in this use case is to pass SKY(HDMI) to the TV with SKY(Optical) to the 8801. Another option that is possible but requires more work, that mookie is referring to is that if you have SKY(HDMI) connected to the 8801 (eg. CBL/SAT) and another external source either assigned to CBL/SAT or simply plugged in to the CBL/SAT analog input, you can then change the INPUT MODE setting for the CBL/SAT source to either "Digital" or "Analog" as appropriate. You would then need to change it back to "Auto" or "HDMI" when finished to listen to the SKY audio again. Note this will not work for network audio (rather only the analog video solution I originally suggested will work in that instance).
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Now that I am settling in with the 8801, very happily thus far, I am trying to decide whether to change up my CD/DVD/Blu-ray players and thought I would ask here for some advice - I may ask as well on a couple of other threads since there seems to be a separation between discussion of audio and video throughout a couple of threads/forums. Right now I have a Lexicon RT-20 which I use for CDs and DVDs and a decent but not high end Sony Blu-ray player (paid around $200-225 at Costco 2yrs ago) for Blu-ray and also have a PS3 which we have only used for games and not movies. I have the Lexicon connected to the 8801 both HDMI and analog and have the Sony attached through HDMI (have the PS3 connected HDMI to the TV and optical audio from the TV to the 8801). Since I can do streaming through my tv or through Apple TV as well as the Sony Blu-ray (and probably the PS3) I am set for streaming. I am experimenting with which connection I like more from the Lexicon but so far I am hard pressed to hear a difference at least from casual listening perspective (but I don't yet have my RF remote re-programed and so have only been able to compare on my HT setup which has lesser speakers than the audio setup in the next room). I am not interested in going higher end for audio but am wondering whether I should consider getting an Oppo 103 (or 103D) to use for movies and perhaps keep the Lexicon for CDs or considering getting an Oppo 105 to replace both the Sony and the Lexicon (or another universal player to the extent there is another one worth considering).

Is it correct that to the extent that I run any player HDMI to the 8801 then the 8801 does the audio and video processing and then to a large extent (or maybe to most every extent) it doesn't matter what player I have as long as it is a decent one? If so, would that mean that the only reason to consider a change at this point to the Oppo 103(D) would be if I was going to run the Oppo directly to the TV for video and the only reason to get the Oppo 105 would be to run analog (maybe XLR) to the 8801 for audio? Any benefit to either Oppo for network streaming over the 8801?

What are people's views on the superiority of the video processing in the Oppo over the 8801 and on the superiority of the 105 over the 8801 and/or older Lexicon for audio? I am a bit of a novice when it comes to much of this and so, please let me know if I am not asking the right questions or should just leave well enough alone (I am not necessarily unhappy and just wondering whether I can improve things in a worthwhile way).

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!
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I need some sound advice folks! I am considering upgrading my amp from the maranz 8077 to the Mcintosh MC8702. I have a BDI Braden tv stand that supports weight up to 75 lbs. the MC weighs 83 lbs. First question is do ou think it is worth spending 3500 more for the Mac and second is do you think the stand will hold it?

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HELP!!!

So after 6 months of wonderful 8801 bliss, I boxed my unit up as we were moving to a new home.

As of Dec 23rd I finally got into my new theater, fired up all my gear for the first time since September and I was getting some odd noise from my front left speaker.

When powering in the 8801 I got what could be best described as radio static for about 10 - 15 seconds before it faded away. I presumed there was a speaker wire issue and tested a new cable, same results.

Tested everything all the way back to the amps and things are fine, even the balanced xlr from the amp to the 8801 seems good.

What I came to find is it appears to be the 8801 having a weird issue with the front right output.

I grabbed a new cable, same result, figured I would try to go back to the unbalanced connection to see if this made a difference, and i get the same result as well.

Very odd as I though they were completely different paths.

Did a factory reset on the unit in hopes this was software related.

No dice.

Also did the most recent firmware update, and still no change.

Anyone have any idea what else I can try? Or did the unit just magically break over the past 3 months in storage... frown.gif

Please help!!!

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HELP!!!

So after 6 months of wonderful 8801 bliss, I boxed my unit up as we were moving to a new home.

As of Dec 23rd I finally got into my new theater, fired up all my gear for the first time since September and I was getting some odd noise from my front left speaker.

When powering in the 8801 I got what could be best described as radio static for about 10 - 15 seconds before it faded away. I presumed there was a speaker wire issue and tested a new cable, same results.

Tested everything all the way back to the amps and things are fine, even the balanced xlr from the amp to the 8801 seems good.

What I came to find is it appears to be the 8801 having a weird issue with the front right output.

I grabbed a new cable, same result, figured I would try to go back to the unbalanced connection to see if this made a difference, and i get the same result as well.

Very odd as I though they were completely different paths.

Did a factory reset on the unit in hopes this was software related.

No dice.

Also did the most recent firmware update, and still no change.

Anyone have any idea what else I can try? Or did the unit just magically break over the past 3 months in storage... frown.gif

Please help!!!

It's possible you could have knocked something loose in the move. Try taking that speaker output and hooking it to another speaker just to see if that's the cause (which is probably is).

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It's possible you could have knocked something loose in the move. Try taking that speaker output and hooking it to another speaker just to see if that's the cause (which is probably is).

Tried that as well, hooked the FR connection up to the FR channel on my amp and it get the same result.

When I go into the test tones the FR channel is super quiet, when I cranked up the gain it gets distorted.

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I need some sound advice folks! I am considering upgrading my amp from the maranz 8077 to the Mcintosh MC8702. I have a BDI Braden tv stand that supports weight up to 75 lbs. the MC weighs 83 lbs. First question is do ou think it is worth spending 3500 more for the Mac and second is do you think the stand will hold it?
McIntosh makes great (but very expensive) amps, but IMO I don't think they're worth the big cost premium.
As to the stand, you could always devise some way to reinforce it somehow if you really like it's looks and want to keep it?
Maybe a second layer(ed) horizontal top to distribute the weight better?
Or if it's the supports that are suspect, maybe double them up, or apply internal/out of sight reinforcing...

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McIntosh makes great (but very expensive) amps, but IMO I don't think they're worth the big cost premium.
As to the stand, you could always devise some way to reinforce it somehow if you really like it's looks and want to keep it?
Maybe a second layer(ed) horizontal top to distribute the weight better?
Or if it's the supports that are suspect, maybe double them up, or apply internal/out of sight reinforcing...
I did think of adding reinforcements for the stand. I could upgrade to the amp for 3500 only so that makes it tough decision. Another question I have is am I getting an amp that is overkill? I am connecting to martin logan motion 40 fronts, motion 30 center, motion 15 rears with 2 REL R528SE subs....what y'all think?

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I am new to the AV8801 family.

I would like to say a Big Thank You to all the members that push me to buy it (also to the member who told me to contact AVS through a PM) and AVS sales to give me a price that I could afford.

I cannot help for the previous members problems since I have not play with mine and also intend to keep it to minimum as a home theater only.

I just wanted to share my impressions.

The pictures really do not do justice as how this a/v is so well built.

I just find out the other day that they use a Copper plated chassis (copper plated steel chassis creates a barrier for maximum isolation from external vibration as well as electromagnetic and radio frequency interference), I knew that from my time in the Air Force and learning around radar guys.
That tell me that no details (or maybe a very few) were left beyind and impress me.

The menu so far is very easy to navigate (it take you step by step for your speakers and even what kind of cables you are using).

I have not yet listen to it, due that I am still waiting for my second subs XLR cable to arrive before running a calibration.

But if running the Audyssey calibration is as easy has the previous steps, it will be a piece of cake even for a person like me that have clue about computer and A/V processor are more like computers now a day.

My only other big problem was since I put my equipment in wall, it would not fit height wise (around 3/8" shorter than the PRS886).
I got a solution around it and will see how it turn out.

So far, I am impress even without hearing it.

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I am unpacking and setting up mine for stereo plus sub for 2 channel, dts neo 11.2 for dts tracks, and aidyssey dsx for dolby tracks. Once i have inputs/modes/triggers setup i usually dont monkey around with the setup. Need to call out the control4 dealer and add in the marantz to the automation once the inputs are setup and finalized.

Has anyone had any luck with ps4 as a bluray source or is automation cleaner with a dedicated bluray player like my oppo?

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I am new to the AV8801 family.

I would like to say a Big Thank You to all the members that push me to buy it (also to the member who told me to contact AVS through a PM) and AVS sales to give me a price that I could afford.

I cannot help for the previous members problems since I have not play with mine and also intend to keep it to minimum as a home theater only.

I just wanted to share my impressions.

The pictures really do not do justice as how this a/v is so well built.

I just find out the other day that they use a Copper plated chassis (copper plated steel chassis creates a barrier for maximum isolation from external vibration as well as electromagnetic and radio frequency interference), I knew that from my time in the Air Force and learning around radar guys.
That tell me that no details (or maybe a very few) were left beyind and impress me.

The menu so far is very easy to navigate (it take you step by step for your speakers and even what kind of cables you are using).

I have not yet listen to it, due that I am still waiting for my second subs XLR cable to arrive before running a calibration.

But if running the Audyssey calibration is as easy has the previous steps, it will be a piece of cake even for a person like me that have clue about computer and A/V processor are more like computers now a day.

My only other big problem was since I put my equipment in wall, it would not fit height wise (around 3/8" shorter than the PRS886).
I got a solution around it and will see how it turn out.

So far, I am impress even without hearing it.

Ray

P.S. Now if I could only program my Harmony to adjust the bass on the fly, all would be perfect.



You'll have to post your impressions of the 8801 after a good listening session. If you have istuff you can get the Deremote app for Denon & Marantz and adjust your trim levels on the fly as well as many other settings.
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I am experimenting with which connection I like more from the Lexicon but so far I am hard pressed to hear a difference at least from casual listening perspective (but I don't yet have my RF remote re-programed and so have only been able to compare on my HT setup which has lesser speakers than the audio setup in the next room). I am not interested in going higher end for audio but am wondering whether I should consider getting an Oppo 103 (or 103D) to use for movies and perhaps keep the Lexicon for CDs or considering getting an Oppo 105 to replace both the Sony and the Lexicon (or another universal player to the extent there is another one worth considering).

Is it correct that to the extent that I run any player HDMI to the 8801 then the 8801 does the audio and video processing and then to a large extent (or maybe to most every extent) it doesn't matter what player I have as long as it is a decent one? If so, would that mean that the only reason to consider a change at this point to the Oppo 103(D) would be if I was going to run the Oppo directly to the TV for video and the only reason to get the Oppo 105 would be to run analog (maybe XLR) to the 8801 for audio? Any benefit to either Oppo for network streaming over the 8801?

I have the 8801 and have moved up from the different Oppo players as they were introduced until now when I have the 105. When I moved up to the 105 and connected all the outputs to the 8801 including HDMI, 7.1, and stereo XLR I was for the first time in my listening career able to tell the difference between the sound of the different connections.

The HDMI is fantastic for listening to 11.2 channel movies, the 7.1 analog for multi channel music discs, and then finally the XLR stereo outputs from the Oppo to the 8801 analog connections are discernibly the best of all. I am not familiar with the Lexicon but I can say that the Oppo sounds the best of several other brands I have listened to so I would recommend getting the 105 for video and audio playback, especially stereo. The DAC circuitry in the 105 is that much better to my ear than that of the 8801 I would run direct from the 105 to the 8801 for all stereo and 5.1 - 7.1 listening. I then switch to HDMI input for movies. I also listen to FLAC files from a usb drive through the XLR analog output of the 105.

Because of the superior DAC circuitry I use the 105 for anything it will output including network streaming audio and Pandora plus their interface on screen is very user friendly.

Anything with video I will let the HDMI handle.
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I did think of adding reinforcements for the stand. I could upgrade to the amp for 3500 only so that makes it tough decision. Another question I have is am I getting an amp that is overkill? I am connecting to martin logan motion 40 fronts, motion 30 center, motion 15 rears with 2 REL R528SE subs....what y'all think?
Martin Logan speakers like a lot of power pushing them I'm told by their numerous owners (over on the Emotiva forum), but I have no experience with them myself.
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The amount of power you need from an amplifier depends entirely on your speakers and their sensitivity.

A very "clean" class A amplifier generally beat everything in sound quality.

I went with avantgarde horns at 108db sensitivity which make martin logans sound like best buy demo speakers.

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