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blazar's Avatar blazar 09:22 AM 02-12-2014
Deremote is kinda buggy on the 8801 and it doesnt grey out the features that are not specific to the 8801. It also wont work at all if you happen to have a control4 system controller connected to your unit (at least in my setup).

The basic marantz app remote is fairly configurable and works fairly well but does rely on the onscreen menu a lot more. It works fine for me despite having the control4 controller connected to my marantz 8801.

comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 09:46 AM 02-12-2014
No it's not, I've been using it for around 9 months on the 8801. As with many network based apps within istuff, usually all you have to do is close it in your quick menu and reopen it. Once you get to know the app it functions nearly flawless wink.gif


No trim level adjustments in the Marantz app is a deal breaker for me. I understand if you like it and like most things AV it's subjective.
blazar's Avatar blazar 09:59 AM 02-12-2014
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No it's not, I've been using it for around 9 months on the 8801. As with many network based apps within istuff, usually all you have to do is close it in your quick menu and reopen it. Once you get to know the app it functions nearly flawless wink.gif


No trim level adjustments in the Marantz app is a deal breaker for me. I understand if you like it and like most things AV it's subjective.

Im fairly happy with the dialogue enhancement so i dont have to adust trim for center. Bass is not something i feel the need to regularly boost either. Without the need for trim controls, the marantz remote is decent.
comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 10:48 AM 02-12-2014
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Im fairly happy with the dialogue enhancement so i dont have to adust trim for center. Bass is not something i feel the need to regularly boost either. Without the need for trim controls, the marantz remote is decent.



Cool smile.gif
comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 10:52 AM 02-12-2014
Hard to tell from the vid but the 8801's phono stage is darn good IMO.

This is the stereo mode in 2.2 and I hope you all like the blues boogie style biggrin.gif



http://youtu.be/usQ6fEVLvCQ
Webmonkey's Avatar Webmonkey 03:07 PM 02-12-2014
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Hard to tell from the vid but the 8801's phono stage is darn good IMO.

This is the stereo mode in 2.2 and I hope you all like the blues boogie style biggrin.gif



http://youtu.be/usQ6fEVLvCQ

Do you really need the fan on it in an open rack???
comfynumb's Avatar comfynumb 03:14 PM 02-12-2014
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Do you really need the fan on it in an open rack???



Hi, IMO yes, I like to crank it on occasion and she gets pretty warm. There's also one Velcro'd to the Sunfire amp on the right side vent pulling warm air out. I've found without it the amp gets hot back by the switch on the rear panel when it's in for a long time. It's 8 + years old and sounds great so why change up now smile.gif
blueblooded's Avatar blueblooded 04:40 PM 02-12-2014
If I connect through cable connection it will loose HDMI quality as I am getting HD channels, isn't it? Airplay used only for music no video. For video I have NAS server 20tb which has digitized copies of my movies even my music videos and songs are there. So I am using DS Video application to play movies on Samsung TV and sound from Monitor Audio, same for music there is an app DS audio listening music I prefer DS Audio then airplay. Kind of set up is good but want full advantage of my system.
Nobody knows about limit in Marantz Amp output, why it is switching off?
matthewa's Avatar matthewa 08:46 PM 02-12-2014
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If I connect through cable connection it will loose HDMI quality as I am getting HD channels, isn't it? Airplay used only for music no video. For video I have NAS server 20tb which has digitized copies of my movies even my music videos and songs are there. So I am using DS Video application to play movies on Samsung TV and sound from Monitor Audio, same for music there is an app DS audio listening music I prefer DS Audio then airplay. Kind of set up is good but want full advantage of my system.
Nobody knows about limit in Marantz Amp output, why it is switching off?
A processor like 8801 is all about video and audio switching so you won't loose HD quality going through it from a cable box. I don't know why it's going into protection, unless your amps / cables are creating some sort of voltage issue or feedback?
Selden Ball's Avatar Selden Ball 05:03 AM 02-13-2014
An amplifier going into protection mode usually means that there is a short between speaker connections. Double check both of the ends of all of the speaker cables. Make sure there is no thin, almost invisible, wire touching from one to the adjacent connector. Less capable amps often go into protection mode when trying to drive 4 Ohm speakers at high sound levels. This should not be the case with a Marantz amplifier.

Another cause of going into protection mode is overheating due to lack of air flow. There must be several inches of clearance on both sides and the top. Otherwise you must provide an external fan.

Less likely would be a failure in the amplifier itself.
arnyk's Avatar arnyk 05:42 AM 02-13-2014
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An amplifier going into protection mode usually means that there is a short between speaker connections. Double check both of the ends of all of the speaker cables. Make sure there is no thin, almost invisible, wire touching from one to the adjacent connector. Less capable amps often go into protection mode when trying to drive 4 Ohm speakers at high sound levels. This should not be the case with a Marantz amplifier.

Another cause of going into protection mode is overheating due to lack of air flow. There must be several inches of clearance on both sides and the top. Otherwise you must provide an external fan.

Less likely would be a failure in the amplifier itself.

+1. Good list of common reasons for amps to go into protect mode.

There also is a failure mode of loudspeakers, namely voice coil rubbing that may cause their impedance to become exceptionally low and cause the amp to go into protect mode unexpectedly
gertjand's Avatar gertjand 07:23 AM 02-13-2014
Ok ok... it's seems to wake up. At first I was a little disappointed by sound quality (mainly while listening stereo): soundstage, depth, all a bit flat (Learned not to say byte wink.gif. No playing kings of leon with airplay from Macmini it's getting a lot better I must say after some "burn in" time. People have the same experience?

Kings of Leon: Closer (Presets Remix): paint is coming from the walls...pretty dynamic smile.gif
gertjand's Avatar gertjand 08:21 AM 02-13-2014
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There are a gazillion jazz stations online and any kind of rock you'd like. I enjoy the challenge of finding the right quality station I'm looking for and currently have 30 high quality stations stored. Some have more adds than others which reminds me I just upped the bounty on "Flo" from progressive to $5,000 biggrin.gif

Still a kind of a Noob here. What's "Flo"? I Hope it doesn't mean I have to go to the hardware store smile.gif
Audiguy3's Avatar Audiguy3 09:22 AM 02-13-2014
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Still a kind of a Noob here. What's "Flo"? I Hope it doesn't mean I have to go to the hardware store smile.gif

Noob - this is Flo


blueblooded's Avatar blueblooded 04:27 PM 02-13-2014
Guys thanks a lot for replies and comments, to clarify, i am using bi-wire(2X2) cable from Chord for center, FR and FL , 2 pair connected together from one side for amplifier output speaker side is individual 4 connection 2 red 2 black. so as per "specialist"(dealer) I have removed jumpers from black and red connection(golden plate) using banana plug but not soldered. Speaker indeed 4 Ohm, that is my real concern as it stated Amplifier for 6-8 Ohm speakers. Also read in forum that it shouldn't be the issue as Marantz amplifier even though rated for 6 Ohm it works with 4 Ohm speakers. Regarding ventilation: it is open rack, has 10 cm distance from each side of the wall. I am also suspecting or wires or speakers, is there anyway to check speaker for above problem(voice coil rubbing)?
It is only happens when volume level on 81. My dealer telling me it is because amplifier protecting speakers, I can understand it but it is the system which he recommended.
One more question for Gurus: He told me for Sub(Velodyne 15 in) I need RCA split-ter and from there 2 separate sub (rca) cable going to sub connection, as I have limited space (3.3 m width of the wall near tv) I put sub on the right wall near sofa, then did Audissey calibration of speakers using mic and tripod, so I dont get sub sound during playing movie or music, even I can see sub output is on the screen of 8801. Is it could be because of location of sub? or again connection problem? Audissey was calibrating sub as well as I could here voice from sub.
I am attaching pictures, no good quality as we gonna change our house (maybe), set up was only for checking system, as I am planning for custom build table(will be placed in center near TV) where I will put Blu Ray player, PS3, Amp and PreAmp, printer, Nas Server, hub , ADSL bridge, sat box) As I read 60 cm should be enough distance for FR speaker from sidewall. right? Minimum distance from back wall should be 30 cm.
Once I finish this setup will placed nice pictures( next step: projector and screen-right now hunting for info, my budget 3000-5000 USD).


Masterkale's Avatar Masterkale 08:21 PM 02-13-2014
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Ok ok... it's seems to wake up. At first I was a little disappointed by sound quality (mainly while listening stereo): soundstage, depth, all a bit flat (Learned not to say byte wink.gif. No playing kings of leon with airplay from Macmini it's getting a lot better I must say after some "burn in" time. People have the same experience?

Kings of Leon: Closer (Presets Remix): paint is coming from the walls...pretty dynamic smile.gif

The audyssey makes the sound more flatter than the direct mode.

I know the Av8801 is ok in stereo but it can be much better,
SeattleHTGuy's Avatar SeattleHTGuy 09:08 PM 02-13-2014
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The audyssey makes the sound more flatter than the direct mode.

I know the Av8801 is ok in stereo but it can be much better,

What does this mean? Much better is about as subjective as to point to the extreme. Audyssey attempts to correct for speakers, room, etc... "Much Better" is just two words stuck together.... No disrespect but not very helpful or AV "Science" based. Also how on earth does a full solid state device "burn in"? Do the wires get looser, moister, more velvety? Does the wire reduce its tannin content? Weird stuff being posted..... me thinks.
Masterkale's Avatar Masterkale 11:58 PM 02-13-2014
The best is to listnen to the av8801 and a tuned av8801 or bryston sp3 without audyssey. Everybody wants depth 3d soundstage in their sound but the audyssey makes it 2d and looses dynamics.
matthewa's Avatar matthewa 12:48 AM 02-14-2014
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The best is to listnen to the av8801 and a tuned av8801 or bryston sp3 without audyssey. Everybody wants depth 3d soundstage in their sound but the audyssey makes it 2d and looses dynamics.
Have you done your cinemike upgrade yet? How are you finding it?
audiofan1's Avatar audiofan1 12:59 AM 02-14-2014
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The best is to listnen to the av8801 and a tuned av8801 or bryston sp3 without audyssey. Everybody wants depth 3d soundstage in their sound but the audyssey makes it 2d and looses dynamics.

I'm sitting here listening to Bruckners 7th Paavo jarvi & hr -Sinfonieorchester sacd with Audyssey engaged and talk about 3d depth , placement of instruments and possibly one of the best playback of brass recorded. How ? the 8801 , a proper Audyssey setup and simple know how of system setup. And as for dynamics , oh boy that a 8801 strong suit and when the Orchestra goes full tilt I'm convinced by sheer scale wink.gif
gertjand's Avatar gertjand 02:27 AM 02-14-2014
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What does this mean? Much better is about as subjective as to point to the extreme. Audyssey attempts to correct for speakers, room, etc... "Much Better" is just two words stuck together.... No disrespect but not very helpful or AV "Science" based. Also how on earth does a full solid state device "burn in"? Do the wires get looser, moister, more velvety? Does the wire reduce its tannin content? Weird stuff being posted..... me thinks.
Weird stuff indeed. I don't know. Did read the term (burn in). What I noticed that it start to sound better after some play time (40 hours) or so. Could be my imagination as well. So my question was, did other people notice this as well or is my cognitive dissonance mechanism playing with me:)
matthewa's Avatar matthewa 02:39 AM 02-14-2014
Audiofan1 do you have a thread about how you have setup your room to achieve what your hearing
JDOz's Avatar JDOz 06:33 AM 02-14-2014
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Weird stuff indeed. I don't know. Did read the term (burn in). What I noticed that it start to sound better after some play time (40 hours) or so. Could be my imagination as well. So my question was, did other people notice this as well or is my cognitive dissonance mechanism playing with me:)

Yes, I noticed a difference. Not a small difference. Indeed it would be entirely accurate for me to say that it sounded "much better" after burn in.  ;-)

Yes, "burn in" is a common term and is well documented. My view is that I've experienced the effect often with new AV equipment.

As an actual scientist and whilst acknowledging that the term "AV science" is somewhat of an oxymoron, I'd suggest that given some companies go to the trouble and expense of burning in their AV products before sale in order to reduce returns from unhappy customers, you should probably consider burn in as quite likely to be a phenomenon that occurs within the equipment.

An alternative explanation is that our ears adapt to a new type of sound. This seems entirely plausible as a partial or total explanation for the experience. Either way, since the equipment you listen to in your own home is only new for a short period, I think the outcome is the same.

Enjoy your new found sound :-)


Masterkale's Avatar Masterkale 06:59 AM 02-14-2014
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Have you done your cinemike upgrade yet? How are you finding it?

No not yet. But heard the cinemike avp and av7005. I send mine 8 of march so half of march i will let you know
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I'm sitting here listening to Bruckners 7th Paavo jarvi & hr -Sinfonieorchester sacd with Audyssey engaged and talk about 3d depth , placement of instruments and possibly one of the best playback of brass recorded. How ? the 8801 , a proper Audyssey setup and simple know how of system setup. And as for dynamics , oh boy that a 8801 strong suit and when the Orchestra goes full tilt I'm convinced by sheer scale wink.gif

How many experience you got with listing?

I have heard many high end setups. Like kef blades, focal grande utopia, marten miles getz django, isophons cassianos.

I have installed serveral audyssey pro calibrations at peoples home, so i am not quite a noob in installing calibrating.
SeattleHTGuy's Avatar SeattleHTGuy 10:39 AM 02-14-2014
Burn in is often discussed and associated with speakers. Speakers have movement, it is an analogue processing device. Burn in is rarely associated with a Pre-Amp unless a listener "feels", "senses", or whatever a change in sound over a period of time. Almost never can any of the subjective changes be quantified, measured, or be consistly (oh heck, ever) proven in testing. Words like "more 3dish", and others aren't really quantifiable and the science of somehow a DAC processing signal in the digital domain over a period of time differently is illogical.

I just don't see how you can have Burn In with a solid state and mostly digital processing piece of equipment. This explains my "science" statement. My 8801 sounds just as good today as it did the day I received it. I have though, altered a number of the 8801's sound processing and enhancement features over time. I particularly fond of the Dislogue Enhancement feature set for TV, DSX W+H for TV, and DTS Neo:x for most Blu Ray movies.
Hifi4Hobby's Avatar Hifi4Hobby 11:02 AM 02-14-2014
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Burn in is often discussed and associated with speakers. Speakers have movement, it is an analogue processing device. Burn in is rarely associated with a Pre-Amp unless a listener "feels", "senses", or whatever a change in sound over a period of time. Almost never can any of the subjective changes be quantified, measured, or be consistly (oh heck, ever) proven in testing. Words like "more 3dish", and others aren't really quantifiable and the science of somehow a DAC processing signal in the digital domain over a period of time differently is illogical.

I just don't see how you can have Burn In with a solid state and mostly digital processing piece of equipment. This explains my "science" statement. My 8801 sounds just as good today as it did the day I received it. I have though, altered a number of the 8801's sound processing and enhancement features over time. I particularly fond of the Dislogue Enhancement feature set for TV, DSX W+H for TV, and DTS Neo:x for most Blu Ray movies.

Surprising I was asking myself this question many times..does burn in matters? I though believed a cable has burn in period. Even the iec connectors too and that prompted me to believed an unit the complexity of a state of the art processor like 8801 has many cables and connectors within which can contribute to the burn in effect one is getting. It can be argued in a way that our ears are adapting to the way it sounds. Just my 2 cents.
erhurd's Avatar erhurd 11:31 AM 02-14-2014
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Burn in is often discussed and associated with speakers. Speakers have movement, it is an analogue processing device. Burn in is rarely associated with a Pre-Amp unless a listener "feels", "senses", or whatever a change in sound over a period of time. Almost never can any of the subjective changes be quantified, measured, or be consistly (oh heck, ever) proven in testing. Words like "more 3dish", and others aren't really quantifiable and the science of somehow a DAC processing signal in the digital domain over a period of time differently is illogical.

I just don't see how you can have Burn In with a solid state and mostly digital processing piece of equipment. This explains my "science" statement. My 8801 sounds just as good today as it did the day I received it. I have though, altered a number of the 8801's sound processing and enhancement features over time. I particularly fond of the Dislogue Enhancement feature set for TV, DSX W+H for TV, and DTS Neo:x for most Blu Ray movies.

It has been my understanding the term "break-in" is associated with speakers while "burn-in" was applied to the tube amplifiers of old…
beastaudio's Avatar beastaudio 01:30 PM 02-14-2014
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Yes, I noticed a difference. Not a small difference. Indeed it would be entirely accurate for me to say that it sounded "much better" after burn in.  ;-)
Yes, "burn in" is a common term and is well documented. My view is that I've experienced the effect often with new AV equipment.
As an actual scientist and whilst acknowledging that the term "AV science" is somewhat of an oxymoron, I'd suggest that given some companies go to the trouble and expense of burning in their AV products before sale in order to reduce returns from unhappy customers, you should probably consider burn in as quite likely to be a phenomenon that occurs within the equipment.
An alternative explanation is that our ears adapt to a new type of sound. This seems entirely plausible as a partial or total explanation for the experience. Either way, since the equipment you listen to in your own home is only new for a short period, I think the outcome is the same.
Enjoy your new found sound :-)

The only thing that is "Burning In" is your ears changing to the new response.
SeattleHTGuy's Avatar SeattleHTGuy 01:31 PM 02-14-2014
My bad. Break in usually speakers. Burn in was originally applied to tubes but has morphed to the esoteric crowd.
DrMichael's Avatar DrMichael 01:45 PM 02-14-2014
This is really starting to get on my nerves. In the past I had bookshelf speakers and my rear right would distort at low fequencies so I ended up purchasing new floor speakers for the rears and have been playing them at fullband like my fronts. While watching tron at -10db the rear right woofer bottomed out and made the loud firecracker pop noise. I changed the vs to 40 and 60 and no issues what so ever. Why is the marantz sending the strong bass response only to that speaker? Here is my layout. Any help would be great!

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