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Referring to AV8003 even in disable/bypass. My hope is video isn't an issue on the AV8801 in either mode. Otherwise I'll go with the Denons (4520/AVP), as I've read the AV7005 degrades pic in some way/another.
Not to open a can of worms just need to know before upgrading from the AV8003 which really is a fine piece of equipment.

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Yes, it is a pretty immediate difference. I read an early review that said that some reality show soundtrack actually sounded different and I thought that was going a bit too far. But last night I watched an episode of CSI/LA that was shot on an aircraft carrier and was surprised to hear a lot of "environment" sounds that I had never heard on the show before. I had never noticed computer chirps when they are all in the computer room before. So even in non critical listening, there is a noticeable difference between processors. Whether it is Audyssey, or HDAMs or DACs or copper I could not tell you. At the risk of being savaged by others on the board, the SQ is improved from the 7005.

Good to know ~ I know exactly what you mean as I had a similar experience with my Cary Cinema 11 (before it croaked) -- every soundtrack really sounded like the environment it was recorded in. Transportational. smile.gif I never experienced that before, and the 7005 just doesn't quite impart the same feeling. Cary sound with Marantz reliability really sounds like a winner!
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I got my AV8801 over the weekend. I am coming from an Integra DHC80.1. I use a JVC HD750 projector to a 140” diagonal screen in a dedicated room, painted all black. My first impression was I thought it had a brownish/golden cast to the picture. I see it in all the picture modes to varying degrees – standard, movie, vivid, none. At least this is what I perceive. Others might have a completely different experience. In custom mode I can get the picture looking much better with some manipulation.

I got an email yesterday from Audyssey that version 3.6 of MultEQ Pro has been updated and now supports the AV8801.
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I got my AV8801 over the weekend. I am coming from an Integra DHC80.1. I use a JVC HD750 projector to a 140” diagonal screen in a dedicated room, painted all black. My first impression was I thought it had a brownish/golden cast to the picture. I see it in all the picture modes to varying degrees – standard, movie, vivid, none. At least this is what I perceive. Others might have a completely different experience. In custom mode I can get the picture looking much better with some manipulation.

I got an email yesterday from Audyssey that version 3.6 of MultEQ Pro has been updated and now supports the AV8801.


joerod - have you noticed any video coloration?
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yup... true dat... when it comes to video, there truly is no replacement for displacement... smile.gif
the visual impact of a truly "big screen" is something that many underestimate...
i "care" about sound... but if the choice was between tripling my screen real estate vs. chasing something that may or may not exist, i know what i would choose... smile.gif i've been fortunate enough to have a few "WOW!!" moments when bringing equipment into my room... NOTHING comes close to the "WOW!!!" moment i had when i hung my first pj screen...
no controlled testing necessary on this one... smile.gif

Well i did several blind tests between screen sizes and could not see the difference without looking smile.gif

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Well i did several blind tests between screen sizes and could not see the difference without looking smile.gif
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joerod - have you noticed any video coloration?

Not at all. If you put it to "none" in the modes is goes through perfectly. If you just put it in Standard it brightens he image in an effective way without hindrance. I would suggest possibly the display or blu ray player may have a setting causing that particular look. A lot of movie modes do that.

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Yes, it is a pretty immediate difference. I read an early review that said that some reality show soundtrack actually sounded different and I thought that was going a bit too far. But last night I watched an episode of CSI/LA that was shot on an aircraft carrier and was surprised to hear a lot of "environment" sounds that I had never heard on the show before. I had never noticed computer chirps when they are all in the computer room before. So even in non critical listening, there is a noticeable difference between processors. Whether it is Audyssey, or HDAMs or DACs or copper I could not tell you. At the risk of being savaged by others on the board, the SQ is improved from the 7005.

As the guy that wrote that "early review" -- and it was about Survivor -- all I can say is...

SEE! I TOLD YA SO!
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Hi all:

I've been away from this thread since about page 9.
In my previous posts I postulated about the $3,600
pricing of the new 8801, as being to high.

Available, at Crutchfield, for a little over a week, now,
we are already seeing discounted deals for this fine,
albeit, overpriced preamp,

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Hi all:
I've been away from this thread since about page 9.
In my previous posts I postulated about the $3,600
pricing of the new 8801, as being to high.
Available, at Crutchfield, for a little over a week, now,
we are already seeing discounted deals for this fine,
albeit, overpriced preamp,
Audiho

Something is only overpriced if not enough people want to buy it the market has not decided this yet ....

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Cary sound with Marantz reliability really sounds like a winner!

Cary Audio is the real deal when it comes to hi-end tube amps and pre-amps. I have their new solid state 2-channel power amp and I'll likely get their 7 channel for HT someday. Their flagship SACD player is mind bending. I'd expect to find similar DNA in the Cinema 12. No doubt that reliablility and functionality can be questioned. But sound quality? It's going to be second to only to gear at the next major price point.

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the AV8801 has arrived...........smile.gif
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As the guy that wrote that "early review" -- and it was about Survivor -- all I can say is...
SEE! I TOLD YA SO!
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You did, and I was a doubter. I stand corrected. I was watching the show, and noticed all kinds of stuff going on sound wise. I immediately thought of your review, and sheepishly admitted to myself that this thing sounds way different - even on TV shows. Just a whole new level of detail in the sound.
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I was a dealer and stopped selling the processor because of bugs, lack of support and the units almost running them out of business. It takes great economies of scale to make processors that are reliable.
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Hi all:
I've been away from this thread since about page 9.
In my previous posts I postulated about the $3,600
pricing of the new 8801, as being to high.
Available, at Crutchfield, for a little over a week, now,
we are already seeing discounted deals for this fine,
albeit, overpriced preamp,
Audiho

It is an "ongoing" Marantz program which should be available elsewhere to those who buy the 8801 and 8077 at the same time.


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I was a dealer and stopped selling the processor because of bugs, lack of support and the units almost running them out of business. It takes great economies of scale to make processors that are reliable.

Cary dealer?
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I have been playing around this afternoon and even with DirecTV I can hear more. I did my Bruce Almighty test and can actually hear hi running on top the water. Each splash! Also just messing around we Roadhouse I can hear a lot more detail behind the scenes in the bar. And I hate to say again but the car doors shutting have m dogs going nuts! They think someone is here each time! mad.gifsmile.gif

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I have been playing around this afternoon and even with DirecTV I can hear more. I did my Bruce Almighty test and can actually hear hi running on top the water. Each splash! Also just messing around we Roadhouse I can hear a lot more detail behind the scenes in the bar. And I hate to say again but the car doors shutting have m dogs going nuts! They think someone is here each time! mad.gifsmile.gif

OK. We have all heard the "even my wife" stories about audio equipment. The dogs story brings it to a new level.

I asked my dog about it. She thinks it has increased microdynamics and is less strident in the midrange. I have no idea what she is talking about, but her hearing is better than mine.
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It is an "ongoing" Marantz program which should be available elsewhere to those who buy the 8801 and 8077 at the same time.
is your review system the 8801 and 8077 combo?
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Hi all:
I've been away from this thread since about page 9.
In my previous posts I postulated about the $3,600
pricing of the new 8801, as being to high.
Available, at Crutchfield, for a little over a week, now,
we are already seeing discounted deals for this fine,
albeit, overpriced preamp,
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What discount? The combo?

And why is it overpriced? Which preamp comes close?
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is your review system the 8801 and 8077 combo?
Yes but separately, too.

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What discount? The combo?
$1k off on the combo.

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I picked up an MM8077 to go with my AV7701 ( the 8801 was just too rich for my blood as I'm already in overkill land for my needs). I was going to go with the MM7055 and an MM7025 - and those may have been a good choice giving a separate power supply to the FL/FR, but the write up and spec on the 8077 was compelling as well as the convenience. And the good new is that is sounds fantastic for me - a big step up from a SR7007 I briefly tried out and really sort of hated the sound of.

I really love this combo and envy you guys with the 8801.

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I was faced with a similar choice but different priorities, on where to place the funds. the projector route was very compelling indeed ( had my eye on one of the new JVC E shift modles!) but I've only had my 73" Dlp for a year and love it and since Mitsubishi is getting out the Dlp business, I figured one last go for now. I listen to a lot of music and movies and want equal treatment of both and with the video decisions made I put the funds towards the 8801 >Oppo 105 > Sub Ken Kreisel DXD12012:eek: and new surrounds Energy vs with the option to add my old ones to the back wall later for 7.1 . I also got 3 Fusion Escape recliners, all in all when I demoed a movie last night my 73" was more than big enough to compliment the 35% increase in audio performance and gained a significant impact increase. Oh boy I cant wait till movie night!.biggrin.gif

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I am an Audyssey novice. I posted this in the Audyssey thread and got no answer. So I will ask for help here, as it involves the AV-8801.

I will have a Marantz AV-8801 in a week or so. I am looking forward to having XT32 room correction. I may purchase the Pro kit later, but I plan to use the standard XT32 to start with. Even so, I have read the Pro Installer FAQ to get as much information as I can prior to running calibration.

I have Apogee Mini-Grand speakers which are full range ribbon panels with two (non-powered) Vifa 8" subs in each of the panel's stands. So I have dual subwoofers. Note that because they are incorporated into the panel's stands, there is no way to vary the subs' placement in the room. However, they will be directly under the main left and right speakers, equidistant from the MLP and front and side walls.

The Mini-Grands came with an electronic crossover, but I plan on using Audyssey's built-in crossovers. I am going from a 5.0 setup to a 11.2 setup (with wide, side and back surrounds).

I noticed the subwoofer gain matching suggestion in the FAQ.

Since my subs will be driven by two channels of the MM-8077 power amp, I will have no gain control over either sub (other than the volume position of the AV-8801). So am I correct in my determination that I cannot do gain matching?

I do have a Radio Shack SPL meter, so I can set a reference level by adjusting the AV-8801's volume knob prior to doing auto calibration.

Should I set the AV-8801 volume so I get a reference level of 75 dB output on the subs, or on the panels?

Thanks for any info that might help,

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Yes Cary. I own an 8801.
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