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Most Americans don't understand the mark ups in Europe and UK.
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We used to see gear selling for say $2,500 in US sell for 2,500 QUID in the UK. Which could be close to 3500 bucks depending on the prevailing exchange rates.

So don't get freaked out by the Euro selling price.

It's better to check what the 8801 retailed for at launch in Europe. Chances are you will see it is the same as what the 8802 is slated to be selling at RRP.

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Hahahahaha. We do. We get 20 percent of extra value added to everything we buy!  Isn't that fantastic?  You guys buy a unit for $1,000 and you don't get a single thing of value added by Uncle Sam. But we pay just $1,700 for the same thing, but at least that price includes added value of a full 20%. I can see you're green with envy :)

 

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Hahahahaha. We do. We get 20 percent of extra value added to everything we buy!  Isn't that fantastic?  You guys buy a unit for $1,000 and you don't get a single thing of value added by Uncle Sam. But we pay just $1,700 for the same thing, but at least that price includes added value of a full 20%. I can see you're green with envy smile.gif

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I'm surprised they don't seem to have added an asynchronous USB interface on this newly announced 8802. Two years after the 8801 and they're still missing this fairly important and popular feature. Many competing products have it.

And how come none of the top multichannel prepros can handle multichannel file streaming?


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And how come none of the top multichannel prepros can handle multichannel file streaming?

Good question.
There are very few multi-channel DACs (>2) as well.
Maybe it will take another year...

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And how come none of the top multichannel prepros can handle multichannel file streaming?


Good question.
There are very few multi-channel DACs (>2) as well.
Maybe it will take another year...

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And how come none of the top multichannel prepros can handle multichannel file streaming?
Because you need the new Krell Streamer.



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And how come none of the top multichannel prepros can handle multichannel file streaming?
Indeed. It'd be great to be able to stream multichannel files through UPnP/DLNA and also be able to play multichannel files through asynchronous USB interface equipped prepros. I guess the gear companies just don't want to bother with the additional software development required. The only option for multichannel asynchronous USB that I'm aware of is the exaSound e28 you're using with your Dirac Live PC. You get such nice toys to play with Kal.
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This sounds like a job for Oppo Man (sorry couldn't resist) All joking aside its features like this that I'm talking about when I refer to the basics or fundamentals and getting the right before hyper or warp speed changes and why Oppo when they do go all in as an Premier audio company will have my $$$ till they stop listening to what the customers want as they deliver and then some you may not even ask for!
Right on the money audiofan1, I couldn't agree more. I wish Oppo would reconsider and come out with a prepro that has a top tier room correction system a la Dirac or Trinnov. They could make it right and more affordable that any other gear company out there.
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Because you need the new Krell Streamer.


And where does it say that this box does multichannel?

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Right on the money audiofan1, I couldn't agree more. I wish Oppo would reconsider and come out with a prepro that has a top tier room correction system a la Dirac or Trinnov. They could make it right and more affordable that any other gear company out there.
When they do, they also need to come up with a better GUI for streaming. The current one is crude and limited.

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And where does it say that this box does multichannel?
Now you're just being picky. Suppose you want it to make toast for you too?

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Now you're just being picky. Suppose you want it to make toast for you too?
That might be nice but I'd settle for multichannel which I am doing with an external PC/JRiver-based streamer. Aside from Oppo, who is putting that into what is already a multichannel product?

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J River can be used to send multi-channel content to the BDP-10x players via DLNA.


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Yeah, definitely an area were they can improve.
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I wish Oppo would reconsider and come out with a prepro that has a top tier room correction system a la Dirac or Trinnov. They could make it right and more affordable that any other gear company out there
I like the idea of an Oppo AV Surround Processor- ie. top-notch performance at a great price. However there's a lot of parts and piece's that need to be taken into consideration to perform optimally. Major development costs, making it difficult (I believe), to compete with the larger more commercial manufacturer's.
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I like the idea of an Oppo AV Surround Processor- ie. top-notch performance at a great price. However there's a lot of parts and piece's that need to be taken into consideration to perform optimally. Major development costs, making it difficult (I believe), to compete with the larger more commercial manufacturer's.

All true indeed as its a daunting task for any company but given they really already have a somewhat pre/pro in the 105, which does somethings current pre pro's can't given how close they are already I feel its just a matter of time, but look out when they do.
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Most Americans don't understand the mark ups in Europe and UK.


We used to see gear selling for say $2,500 in US sell for 2,500 QUID in the UK. Which could be close to 3500 bucks depending on the prevailing exchange rates.

So don't get freaked out by the Euro selling price.

It's better to check what the 8801 retailed for at launch in Europe. Chances are you will see it is the same as what the 8802 is slated to be selling at RRP.


Yeah, but the UK get Value Added

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Hahahahaha. We do. We get 20 percent of extra value added to everything we buy! Isn't that fantastic? You guys buy a unit for $1,000 and you don't get a single thing of value added by Uncle Sam. But we pay just $1,700 for the same thing, but at least that price includes added value of a full 20%. I can see you're green with envy

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Imagine paying, as I do, $170 to fill your car with gas every week. Now that is what I call adding value!
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I apparently hate home then....This is absolute garbage so far. WOOOOOO for cool new emoticons!!!! That is about it. I won't be around much longer unless they go back to however it used to be. I am all for change, but not regression.
+1 I prefer the previous version as well
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When they do, they also need to come up with a better GUI for streaming. The current one is crude and limited.
Have you tried using the iPad app? I heard it's quite user friendly and it doesn't need the TV or projector to be on.
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I apparently hate home then....This is absolute garbage so far. WOOOOOO for cool new emoticons!!!! That is about it. I won't be around much longer unless they go back to however it used to be. I am all for change, but not regression.
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I apparently hate home then....This is absolute garbage so far. WOOOOOO for cool new emoticons!!!! That is about it. I won't be around much longer unless they go back to however it used to be. I am all for change, but not regression.
I agree 100%,this sucks badly!!!

It is ugly, less intuitive and functions are missing. Plus it spams my email with updates that are formatted in a way my Outlook cannot decipher.

What the hell where they thinking, when they decided that this was a good idea??
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It is ugly, less intuitive and functions are missing. Plus it spams my email with updates that are formatted in a way my Outlook cannot decipher.

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You guys do get "free" health care. I pay $500/mo for health care and I think my employer pays another $1200/mo. Also, our medicine is much more expensive, for the same medicine.

If you factor in things like never having to worry about losing your home to pay for long-term nursing care (this eventually happens to most elderly folks here), I think the UK has it better off. That's not to count all the extra programs that help the poor.

I have to admit $10/gallon for gas is nuts. I guess they don't sell too many SUV's there!

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You guys do get "free" health care. I pay $500/mo for health care and I think my employer pays another $1200/mo. Also, our medicine is much more expensive, for the same medicine.

If you factor in things like never having to worry about losing your home to pay for long-term nursing care (this eventually happens to most elderly folks here), I think the UK has it better off. That's not to count all the extra programs that help the poor.

I have to admit $10/gallon for gas is nuts. I guess they don't sell too many SUV's there!
We can't continue this here as it is way OT, but I will just comment on your comments above before I leave it.

We do have "free" health care, except it costs us through our taxes and it is often terrible health care. We have the lowest survival rates in Europe, for example, for many forms of cancer. Almost weekly there are horror stories of neglect and low quality patient care. A recent investigation revealed that one hospital alone had resulted in 1,200 needless deaths due to low quality care. Nobody was prosecuted, nobody was fired. Google NHS Mid Staffs Hospital if you want to know more. The standard of treatment and care is so poor that those of us who can afford it insure ourselves, USA style, for 'private' treatment, so we end up paying twice. If you ever come to the UK, be sure to have your Medical Insurance with you - trust me, you would not want to go into an NHS hospital willingly.

Also, Brits do lose their homes to pay for long-term nursing care. It is only provided by the State when a person has very little assets of their own, including their own home which they are expected to sell to pay for their care. I have no problem with that and see no reason why the taxpayer should pony up when someone has a home that could be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, and which they no longer need for obvious reasons.

There are programs to help the poor but In am sure the USA has those too. The cost of these programs is very high, which is why our overall tax burden is so high, including the 20% sales tax that originated this discussion. 'Tax Freedom Day' in the UK this year was 28th May. That means that every penny earned by a person this year went to the government in income tax up until 28 May. And that does not include indirect taxations like sales tax, insurance tax, council (local government) tax, fuel tax and so on. By contrast, Tax Freedom Day for the USA was 3rd April - almost two whole months sooner.

Our social care and welfare programs are so costly that all of the money raised through income tax is not enough to pay for welfare! This means that every penny of income tax a person pays goes to welfare for other people. Not a penny of income tax paid is spent on the person paying it, unless they also happen to receive welfare, as many do. In fact over 50% of the UK population receives welfare of some form or other.

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All I will say is, we aren't too far behind now from being right there with ya when it comes to all that. You basically just described the us in another 10 years if things progress.
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All I will say is, we aren't too far behind now from being right there with ya when it comes to all that. You basically just described the us in another 10 years if things progress.
Yes, I am flabbergasted that the US voted for socialisation of healthcare. It is a disaster - we should know, we invented it!
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