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Just look at the VA scandal that's going on right now in the US. That will be our entire healthcare system in 10 years. The government cannot do anything efficiently and the private sector always does it better, especially if there's a profit motive behind the initiative. Government doesn't innovate...it stagnates. While innovation is possible in a "new" government agency (see NASA in it's first 12 years of operation), but after that it's only purpose is to keep people employed, at whatever cost. Using the space analogy, look at what SpaceX and Virgin Galactic (as well as other new space pioneers) have done in the last five years versus what NASA has done in the past 40 years as the perfect example of private enterprise versus government. I rest my case!
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Of course private industry will always be more efficient in a free market. However, the healthcare system in the US is not a free market. Folks will not price check, further workers are clueless about the cost of the products they are selling. Until consumers act like consumers things will go on like they are.

Further, many times drug companies in the US charge 50-100x what they charge for the same drug in other countries. Seems to me we need more regulation as drug companies price gouge American's, but give all other countries price breaks. It's fine to say it takes money to research new drugs, etc, but price gouging one country only is not a free market either.

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Also, to say the entire government can't do anything efficient is simply not true. Washington is not representative of every federal worker and every agency or department. There are 100,000's of government employee's. To say these folks don't care about their nation and don't perform as efficiently as possible is unfair. Especially when many have worked their entire lives to make this country better, and many have given their lives. Corporations and people will not always do the right thing; we can't blindly trust them and absolutely need governmental bodies.

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True, there are good people in government, but they are a VERY small minority. You must work for the government. If so, I don't mean to sweep you in with the rest, but I bet if you look around your office you'll see the majority of people only care about their paycheck, nothing else. The VA scandal is the perfect example of this and I hope anyone who broke the rules ends up in jail.

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One other thing...I agree we are getting screwed by the big pharmaceutical firms and this is where the government can do some good, but alas, they won't because every politician is in their back pockets. They should lower their "exclusive" rights on drugs to 24 months and then allow generics to come into play. Frankly, the entire system if broke (healthcare, government, schools, etc.). Like The Joker said in Batman ' "This town needs an enema!" I think this country needs one.
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Right. The government could not have made the AV-8801. The processor that they likely would have made is the _______________________!
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They'd tell us to buy the latest and greatest out there, but they'd tell us we have to buy it or get fined.

What the gov't has given us is (in no particular order):

1) The Interstate Highway System
2) The National Park system
3) the internet FFS
4) the Declaration of Independence
5) The Constitution
6) gps
7) etc.

Private industry has given us acid rain, massive air and water pollution, Enron, GM, and reality TV.

So, there's room for improvement on both ends.

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I'm by no means an anarchist and there is a need for government. The highway system was/is a great accomplishment, but we now use highway funds for other means (at least in California). The National Parks system is nice, but has expanded to become a "land grab" by the federal government. The Internet is a different story...I suggest you read this: http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/st...nvent-internet

The Declaration of Independence was not created by the government. It was created by revolutionaries essentially defecting from a bad government (the King of England) and the same thing with the Constitution. GPS is a good example of government doing good but the commercialization of it was an accident.

I'm not personally anti-government...I'm anti-BIG Government and crony capitalism. Heck, just look at our Internet in the US and how our officials are getting bought off by the cable and phone companies to have mini-monopolies in each municipality to not give us choices for our ISP. We can either choose Comcast, AT&T, or Verizon for the majority of the country...all three are anti-customer and gouge us on pricing. That's what I love about Google and what they are doing in certain communities around the US...at least those towns will have choices.
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Come on guys, this debate has droned on long enough. Take it to another thread. Some of us reading this are actually interested in purchasing or learning more about the 8801, at least I think that's what the thread was about. I'm really not sure based on the last couple pages.
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Well, without reliable and fast Internet, the streaming functions on the 8801 won't work too well. (OK...I know that was a bit of a stretch!)

Discussion closed on my end...let's get back to regular programming

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Laughing hard at this pic....

Can't wait to soon talk about the 8802. Obviously we are getting a little board with the 8801.
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Can't wait to soon talk about the 8802. Obviously we are getting a little board with the 8801.

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Well, without reliable and fast Internet, the streaming functions on the 8801 won't work too well. (OK...I know that was a bit of a stretch!)
Even so, the streaming facilities are too limiting to bother with.

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Very true Kal. It's why I have a Squeezebox and an Oppo...both do it MUCH better than any AVR/Pre-pro I've used.

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Very true Kal. It's why I have a Squeezebox and an Oppo...both do it MUCH better than any AVR/Pre-pro I've used.
Streaming is just another source and AVRs should not be "sources" since that can and does change greatly over time.
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Very true Kal. It's why I have a Squeezebox and an Oppo...both do it MUCH better than any AVR/Pre-pro I've used.
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Can't wait to soon talk about the 8802. Obviously we are getting a little board with the 8801.
I know you are going to get one and test it out.
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I believe this has been discussed but I could not locate the answer when searching the thread. Is there a way to setup the rear usb port to turn a cooling fan connected to it on and off when the power is turned on and off?

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I believe this has been discussed but I could not locate the answer when searching the thread. Is there a way to setup the rear usb port to turn a cooling fan connected to it on and off when the power is turned on and off?
I haven't tried but I'm pretty sure the guys have said you need to turn the network setting so it is not always on. This then allows the USB to turn on & off with the power on the 8801
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I'm using my Pioneer SC LX85 as a processor through the pre outs into 3 Naim power amps in a 5.2 set up. I am considering purchasing a Marantz AV8801 as a dedicated processor as they are becoming available at inviting prices. I would appreciaite any opinions on Marantz - Naim combinations and also thoughts on how much of an upgrade would the Marantz be over the Pioneer. Thanks in anticipation.
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I could use help with some clarification on external DAC's and processing within the AV8801.

Today I had the opportunty to use an Oppo BDP 103 and 105 direct into my amplifier. I wanted to see if I could hear a difference when level matched as far as the "Superior" DAC's in the 105.

No question in my mind I hear a difference. - This of course with the AV8801 out of the signal completely. However, neither can drive my speakers beyond 95DB's. So... I need a pre-amp in the system. (also, I also think that the 8801 sounds as good, if not better than the 103 on it's own).

That said, I would like to take advantage of the DAC's in the 105, and potentially keep my 8801 in the system (I've found other advantages like being able to set individual speaker X-overs in the 8801, vs. just one for all speakers in the BDP 105).

However I've heard mixed stories on how to make sure the Marantz doesn't "re-process" the Oppo audio signal. I don't use Audyseey on my mains (Audyseey bypass L+R) however I do like my Bass EQ'd at all times.

So... if I run the Oppo into the analog input for CD's on my 8801 - will it get reprocessed unless I put it in "pure-direct"? Then of course I assume I lose my subwoofer processing?

I'm going to play around with all of this in the coming days, but was looking for informed opinions/knowledge on the subject.

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I could use help with some clarification on external DAC's and processing within the AV8801.

Today I had the opportunty to use an Oppo BDP 103 and 105 direct into my amplifier. I wanted to see if I could hear a difference when level matched as far as the "Superior" DAC's in the 105.

No question in my mind I hear a difference. - This of course with the AV8801 out of the signal completely. However, neither can drive my speakers beyond 95DB's. So... I need a pre-amp in the system. (also, I also think that the 8801 sounds as good, if not better than the 103 on it's own).

That said, I would like to take advantage of the DAC's in the 105, and potentially keep my 8801 in the system (I've found other advantages like being able to set individual speaker X-overs in the 8801, vs. just one for all speakers in the BDP 105).

However I've heard mixed stories on how to make sure the Marantz doesn't "re-process" the Oppo audio signal. I don't use Audyseey on my mains (Audyseey bypass L+R) however I do like my Bass EQ'd at all times.

So... if I run the Oppo into the analog input for CD's on my 8801 - will it get reprocessed unless I put it in "pure-direct"? Then of course I assume I lose my subwoofer processing?

I'm going to play around with all of this in the coming days, but was looking for informed opinions/knowledge on the subject.

Thanks.

If you connect the BDP-105D via the analog 7.1 inputs there will be no A to D conversion but you will not get any bass management from the AV8801. You can do bass management in the Oppo since it only effects the analog outs.


If you connect the BDP-105D via the XLR connections in Pure direct you may be digitized.
Audyssey and bass management are available so they are likely digitized.
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Ok, so for what it's worth I spent quite a bit of time last night comparing the Oppo 105 DAC to the Martantz AV8801 DAC.

The Oppo 105 is better, but honestly not by a whole heck of a lot. Maybe just a tad more separation between instruments and a shade less smearing. That said, the Marantz sounds awfully darn good, it's a heck of a nice sounding Preamp even for 2 channel music.

Debating what I am going to do as I can return the 105 for 30 days. If the Oppo allowed me to specify individual crossovers for each speaker there is a good chance I would pair it with an analog 5 or more channel preamp and use a SVS AS-EQ1 to EQ the subs as I don't really use Audyseey for my main speakers (pretty good room, treated well etc). I do like what it does with the subwoofers of course (which the SVS ASEQ1 also does as an outboard processor).

But, I like to cross my mains at 40hz along with my center at 40 or 60, then the rears at 100...

The oppo's is a fixed crossover for all speakers.

Going to play around with it more, but those were my personal findings.
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Hello all.
I am new on this board and considering the 8801.
My dealer gave me a price of $2600 for 8801 out the door.
Is that a good price or shall I wait for 8802 since that is coming in a few months.
Currently I have Emotiva UMC-200 and looking to improve the sound.
I am using it for 50/50 music & movies.
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Hello all.
I am new on this board and considering the 8801.
My dealer gave me a price of $2600 for 8801 out the door.
Is that a good price or shall I wait for 8802 since that is coming in a few months.
Currently I have Emotiva UMC-200 and looking to improve the sound.
I am using it for 50/50 music & movies.
No that's not a good price. Not sure if you can price talk on this thread anyway.
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