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No that's not a good price. Not sure if you can price talk on this thread anyway.
Thanks.
But will it be a big jump in sound quality from Emotiva UMC-200?
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But will it be a big jump in sound quality from Emotiva UMC-200?
Yes, because it has Audyssey XT32 which is likely to deliver a superior room correction for you. If REQ isn't an issue, then it really comes down to features. Electronics (DSP and REQ aside) contribute very little, if anything, to sound quality these days. Speakers, subs, speaker/sub placement and the room itself (treatments etc) are the things that will make your system 'sound better' not electronics.
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Yes, because it has Audyssey XT32 which is likely to deliver a superior room correction for you. If REQ isn't an issue, then it really comes down to features. Electronics (DSP and REQ aside) contribute very little, if anything, to sound quality these days. Speakers, subs, speaker/sub placement and the room itself (treatments etc) are the things that will make your system 'sound better' not electronics.
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Based on someone's report on the forum the 8801 DSP is very close to the Oppo's top quality player 105 which is a big compliment for 8801.
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Sure would be lovely if I could send my AV8801 back for the coming transition to Atmos. Then they could upgrade it for me

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Based on someone's report on the forum the 8801 DSP is very close to the Oppo's top quality player 105 which is a big compliment for 8801.
I'm not sure I am following you there...
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I'm not sure I am following you there...
I've spent quite a bit of time lately comparing the 105 DAC's to the 8801's.

To be clear the 105 is better, and I do like it a lot. But the 8801 is no slouch. I would say that the 8801 offers about 85% of the performance of the 105's dac's depending on the recording. This is also using the Analog outs into the 8801 in pure direct mode, vs the 8801 via HDMI from the 105.

I do think that the 8801's DAC's sound better than the 103's.

I like the bass management of Audyseey XT and the ability to set separate crossovers for my rears and front 3. Has me leaning towards the 8801, but not sure yet what I will do. I am a 75% music first guy.

If I were a movies first guy - the 8801 is a no brainer. Get the oppo 103 fire up the 8801 and be done with it. Heck, get the Onkyo or Integra if you are movies only as long as it has Audyseey XT32 for bass management. For movies I'd be hard pressed to pick one over the other as long as it has XT32 for subs. If the Yamaha had better reported bass EQ, throw that into the mix also.

But for Music, I do like the 8801 over the Onkyo stuff. But, I also may try to reach that next level of music performance... which is why I'm playing with things again.
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I've spent quite a bit of time lately comparing the 105 DAC's to the 8801's.

To be clear the 105 is better, and I do like it a lot. But the 8801 is no slouch. I would say that the 8801 offers about 85% of the performance of the 105's dac's depending on the recording. This is also using the Analog outs into the 8801 in pure direct mode, vs the 8801 via HDMI from the 105.

I do think that the 8801's DAC's sound better than the 103's.

I like the bass management of Audyseey XT and the ability to set separate crossovers for my rears and front 3. Has me leaning towards the 8801, but not sure yet what I will do. I am a 75% music first guy.

If I were a movies first guy - the 8801 is a no brainer. Get the oppo 103 fire up the 8801 and be done with it. Heck, get the Onkyo or Integra if you are movies only as long as it has Audyseey XT32 for bass management. For movies I'd be hard pressed to pick one over the other as long as it has XT32 for subs. If the Yamaha had better reported bass EQ, throw that into the mix also.

But for Music, I do like the 8801 over the Onkyo stuff. But, I also may try to reach that next level of music performance... which is why I'm playing with things again.
Ah right. Thanks for clarifying. I am in the camp which maintains that modern DACs do not have a 'sound' and are all essentially similar in decent quality units of the type we are discussing here. DACs have differing levels of component quality and specifications I agree - but they are not sufficient, IMO, to provide audible differences between units.

No point arguing to to the death - there are dedicated threads where they do that. It's just that we have a different outlook on this one.
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Yes, because it has Audyssey XT32 which is likely to deliver a superior room correction for you. If REQ isn't an issue, then it really comes down to features. Electronics (DSP and REQ aside) contribute very little, if anything, to sound quality these days. Speakers, subs, speaker/sub placement and the room itself (treatments etc) are the things that will make your system 'sound better' not electronics.
But if you know what you are doing the PEQs in the UMC-200 while using something like REW, you can do just as well if not better depending on the situation.
Otherwise why would some here switch from a x32 enabled Onkyo to a UMC-200 for their current setup.
(even though they still continue to complain about it. lol)

Read up on how to properly setup your UMC-200 here.
"Official" Emotiva UMC-200 Thread

Might save you a few bucks if all you want is better sound.

Now if you want more bells and whistles, this unit (along with virtually everything else out there now) is loaded.
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But if you know what you are doing the PEQs in the UMC-200 while using something like REW, you can do just as well if not better depending on the situation.
I was really assuming the user would want an automated solution. Maybe that was a wrong assumption. Yes, if someone has a well treated room, and a good working knowledge of how to use REW, plus an understanding of the acoustic issues, together with a good understanding of phase issues around the splice and is prepared to invest a fair amount of time, it is possible to use PEQ and get a great result.

I have experimented with PEQ myself and got good results too, but even with that and my heavily treated room, I find that XT32 still 'ices the cake'.
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I was really assuming the user would want an automated solution. Maybe that was a wrong assumption. Yes, if someone has a well treated room, and a good working knowledge of how to use REW, plus an understanding of the acoustic issues, together with a good understanding of phase issues around the splice and is prepared to invest a fair amount of time, it is possible to use PEQ and get a great result.

I have experimented with PEQ myself and got good results too, but even with that and my heavily treated room, I find that XT32 still 'ices the cake'.
It is always good to have options in the pursuit of better sound.
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Hi
As the different manufacturers are announcing the new receivers/processors with Dolby ATMOS capability, is there any news about firmware upgrading the AV8801 to support Dolby ATMOS. I read somewhere Onkyo is going to do that for this year's models already in the market. I was hoping Marantz would do similar upgrade to AV8801. Any news regarding this.
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Not as of yet and I find it highly unlikely at least initially.

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Not as of yet and I find it highly unlikely at least initially.
Brandon, you are thinking of upgrading to 8802 or 7702?
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As the different manufacturers are announcing the new receivers/processors with Dolby ATMOS capability, is there any news about firmware upgrading the AV8801 to support Dolby ATMOS. I read somewhere Onkyo is going to do that for this year's models already in the market. I was hoping Marantz would do similar upgrade to AV8801. Any news regarding this.
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I hope so it would be nice.
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As the different manufacturers are announcing the new receivers/processors with Dolby ATMOS capability, is there any news about firmware upgrading the AV8801 to support Dolby ATMOS. I read somewhere Onkyo is going to do that for this year's models already in the market. I was hoping Marantz would do similar upgrade to AV8801. Any news regarding this.
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The thought is nice, but in my opinion very naive.

Marantz wants to earn money, and a software upgrade gives them much less income than the sale of a new processor.
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As the different manufacturers are announcing the new receivers/processors with Dolby ATMOS capability, is there any news about firmware upgrading the AV8801 to support Dolby ATMOS. I read somewhere Onkyo is going to do that for this year's models already in the market. I was hoping Marantz would do similar upgrade to AV8801. Any news regarding this.
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They could have my credit card if they wanted. I would pay for such a firmware update, if it is to be seen that Atmos in this version is better than Neo:X.
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They could have my credit card if they wanted. I would pay for such a firmware update, if it is to be seen that Atmos in this version is better than Neo:X.
I agree if they updated the 8801 with atmos I definitely do that, but then again depending on price

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Brandon, you are thinking of upgrading to 8802 or 7702?
Not for a while. I would likely hold on until definitive tests show the benefits of Atmos in HT, as well as if auro starts to flow out in certain offerings.

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^^^ As much as I would love an update to enable Atmos to the AV8801, I am sure that even if it's possible Marantz would never do this from a marketing perspective
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From discussions in the Denon and Onkyo threads, Atmos requires substantial DSP power. D&M kept Audyssey and added two DSP chips to the designs of their higher-end 2014 models so they could run Atmos. Onkyo dumped Audyssey and thus was able to get by with two DSP chips and firmware upgrades to some of their initial lower-end 2014 models.

In other words, the 7701 and 8801 don't have the hardware needed to run Atmos.

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^^^ As much as I would love an update to enable Atmos to the AV8801, I am sure that even if it's possible Marantz would never do this from a marketing perspective
Yeh ... sorry guys. Only going to be on the new AV7702 and AV8802. Besides, you'll likely want to wait a few more years to let it and DTS UHD fully develop.

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It's still a great machine, and lovely sound.

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Yeh ... sorry guys. Only going to be on the new AV7702 and AV8802.
It would be nice if they could get us some way there by allowing to rear height v wide and upgrade to latest dolby pll... And DTS neo X, also no mention of Auro DSP requirements

Not to mention upgrade bass mgt capabilities as I keep reading Atmos differentiates front and rear sub channels
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It would be nice if they could get us some way there by allowing to rear height v wide and upgrade to latest dolby pll... And DTS neo X, also no mention of Auro DSP requirements

Not to mention upgrade bass mgt capabilities as I keep reading Atmos differentiates front and rear sub channels
Not sure what you mean by "latest dolby pll" as it already offers DD PLIIz as well as DTS NEO:X (11CH). AFAIK, there will be no split of sub channels.

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User CP is where I went but couldn't find the exact tab that it is under. Where is it located?

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As the different manufacturers are announcing the new receivers/processors with Dolby ATMOS capability, is there any news about firmware upgrading the AV8801 to support Dolby ATMOS. I read somewhere Onkyo is going to do that for this year's models already in the market.
I think that any firmware updates to accommodate ATMOS into currently available devices is highly unlikely. For example, Pioneer stated that the new ATMOS-capable AVRs will be released without ATMOS firmware which will be provided with an update via web or USB. This is because waiting for all the firmware approvals will delay the introduction of the new models. I suspect that Onkyo and others will follow the same pattern. (A similar pattern was followed with the introduction of AudysseyPro in a number of products in several brands.)

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