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I have a pressing question for anyone who can help. I know this is off topic for this forum but do not know where else to post it. I have been having a lot of 30 second power outages in our area and want to make sure my gear is protected. I currently have a Furman Elite 20 pfi and want to know of that's enough or should I get something more or different? My conditioner does not have a battery backup and I don't know how important that is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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I have a pressing question for anyone who can help. I know this is off topic for this forum but do not know where else to post it. I have been having a lot of 30 second power outages in our area and want to make sure my gear is protected. I currently have a Furman Elite 20 pfi and want to know of that's enough or should I get something more or different? My conditioner does not have a battery backup and I don't know how important that is. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Voltage transients are often a factor with 30 second power outages, however, the Furman should be able to handle anything that is dangerous. That is assuming that all of your AV equipment is connected via the Furman including power amps and video equipment. If any of your equipment is not connected via the Furman, then review what you have to protect that equipment from spikes. In terms of battery backup there are two considerations. The first is capacity. The Furman is capable of 16 to 20 amps output. Battery backup with capacity for more than a few amps gets large and very expensive. The second consideration on battery backup units is whether they claim to output a sine wave. The lower cost units typically have an output that only somewhat resembles a sine wave. Whether the battery backup output wave form is a concern in regards to audio and video quality depends on the design of the unit as to whether it has any impact on the output wave form when not in backup mode.


In your situation if you do not have some type of whole house suppression (typically a suppression device that is attached to the breaker box or mounted in the breaker box), that would be the area I would address first as it would give you protection for all of your electronics and appliances. The whole house surge suppression devices that I am familiar with mostly cost $100 or less. However, if you are not familiar with doing electrical work, hiring an electrician to do the install will add to that cost.

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Voltage transients are often a factor with 30 second power outages, however, the Furman should be able to handle anything that is dangerous. That is assuming that all of your AV equipment is connected via the Furman including power amps and video equipment. If any of your equipment is not connected via the Furman, then review what you have to protect that equipment from spikes. In terms of battery backup there are two considerations. The first is capacity. The Furman is capable of 16 to 20 amps output. Battery backup with capacity for more than a few amps gets large and very expensive. The second consideration on battery backup units is whether they claim to output a sine wave. The lower cost units typically have an output that only somewhat resembles a sine wave. Whether the battery backup output wave form is a concern in regards to audio and video quality depends on the design of the unit as to whether it has any impact on the output wave form when not in backup mode.


In your situation if you do not have some type of whole house suppression (typically a suppression device that is attached to the breaker box or mounted in the breaker box), that would be the area I would address first as it would give you protection for all of your electronics and appliances. The whole house surge suppression devices that I am familiar with mostly cost $100 or less. However, if you are not familiar with doing electrical work, hiring an electrician to do the install will add to that cost.
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Has anyone else found the dialog enhancer a good feature? I noticed I like it quite a bit better on medium than off. Sounds like you are getting more info, what does it actually do?

Is this a feature in all SSP preamps?

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Has anyone else found the dialog enhancer a good feature? I noticed I like it quite a bit better on medium than off. Sounds like you are getting more info, what does it actually do?

Is this a feature in all SSP preamps?

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The Dialog Enhancer setting boosts the "voice frequencies" rather than boosting the entire center channel volume as is the case on the lower models. This feature is also on the Denon 4520CI, X5200W and likely on the new soon to be released flagship models, X7200W and AV8802 as well.

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Has anyone else found the dialog enhancer a good feature? I noticed I like it quite a bit better on medium than off. Sounds like you are getting more info, what does it actually do?

Is this a feature in all SSP preamps?

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I think I use it and I like it at lower volumes.

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Has anyone else found the dialog enhancer a good feature? I noticed I like it quite a bit better on medium than off. Sounds like you are getting more info, what does it actually do?

Is this a feature in all SSP preamps?

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I have found that it is useful sometimes when a center channel is not positioned correctly - too many reflections from surrounding items or being positioned too low or high. The thing to remember is that it can affect music but usually I find I don't listen to much surround music

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Is there a way to bypass all video processing on the AV8801? I have an Oppo BDP-93 connected to the Marantz via HDMI (using the Marvell chipset) and I would like to benefit from the superior picture processing of the Oppo, without any additional processing.

Also, I have read in some forums that the best way to connect the Oppo is to use an HDMI connection directly to the TV and send the audio via the other (inferior) HDMI output on the Oppo. Apart from this being slightly inconvenient, as the Oppo is far from the TV, so I would need another 5m HDMI cable, I am worried about audio/video sync problems. Is it not the same to turn all the Marantz video processing off?

Finally, does my TV (Panasonic TX-P65VT30) do additional processing of the signal? Is there normally an option for disabling that? I currently use aspect ratio "16:9" but I've heard that the true picture can only be viewed in "Just Scan" mode.

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Is there a way to bypass all video processing on the AV8801? I have an Oppo BDP-93 connected to the Marantz via HDMI (using the Marvell chipset) and I would like to benefit from the superior picture processing of the Oppo, without any additional processing.

Also, I have read in some forums that the best way to connect the Oppo is to use an HDMI connection directly to the TV and send the audio via the other (inferior) HDMI output on the Oppo. Apart from this being slightly inconvenient, as the Oppo is far from the TV, so I would need another 5m HDMI cable, I am worried about audio/video sync problems. Is it not the same to turn all the Marantz video processing off?

Finally, does my TV (Panasonic TX-P65VT30) do additional processing of the signal? Is there normally an option for disabling that? I currently use aspect ratio "16:9" but I've heard that the true picture can only be viewed in "Just Scan" mode.

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Set the "i/p Scaler" setting on the 8801 to OFF. Setting "Video Conversion" to OFF will disable GUI overlay on source video so not recommended unless necessary.

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Thanks. So, keeping the "Video Conversion" ON does not add extra video processing, it just overlays the GUI? To be honest, most of the time I find the overlaid GUI difficult to work with, especially when the displayed source is bright. So, if that is the only thing that "Video Conversion" does, I may want to disable it anyway. Or am I missing something?
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If the GUI overlay isn't used and only using HDMI sources, disable that as well. Whether a direct Oppo --> TV connection provides a better picture, only you can decide.

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Well my fronts are large, side surrounds are small, but that shouldn't make a difference anyways as the LFE should go to the subs regardless.

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You'd think that would work that way but unfortunately, when sound tracks are mastered they often put the LFE in with the bass signal and expect you to seperate it with your crossovers and send it to the subwoofer.

At one time, I was trying to figure out a way to use highly accurate subs for bass redirection and a different type of sub for the LFE signal. It would have worked if the industry would be consistant about sending the LFE signal only to the subwoofer and keep the bass redirects out of the xx.1 channel.

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Set the "i/p Scaler" setting on the 8801 to OFF. Setting "Video Conversion" to OFF will disable GUI overlay on source video so not recommended unless necessary.
Right and it will pass the video on without processing.

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Right and it will pass the video on without processing.
So if you have a 4k projector, we would be better off leaving the Marantz set to off
and let the Projector do the processing? I'm speaking about the Sony VW600 4K Projector
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So if you have a 4k projector, we would be better off leaving the Marantz set to off
and let the Projector do the processing? I'm speaking about the Sony VW600 4K Projector
Set it to pass through

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Set it to pass through
I'm sorry but if you are talking about HDMI Pass through according to page 128 in the manual Pass Through set to ON passes the selected HDMI input through the AV pre tuner's HDMI output when the AV pre tuner is in standby mode. OFF No HDMI signals are passed through the AV pre tuner's HDMI output in standby mode. This setting has nothing to do with whether or not the Marantz or the Oppo is processing the video signal.

If you are talking about video conversion page 129 describes the possible HDMI output settings. If you want the Oppo to do all the processing I would set Video Mode to Auto, Video Conversion to Off, i/p Scaler to Off, Resolution to Auto, Progressive Mode to Auto.
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Looking at the possibility of buying an 8801

Onkyo is going to replace my 5508 pre/pro with a 5509...under warranty


I am contemplating selling the 5509 when I get it and buying a Marantz 8801


In looking at what I think the value proposition is of the two 5509/8801


if anyone knows where I might be able to buy a new unit from an authorized dealer for $1800.00 ish...or less


please send me a PM with that information


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Onkyo is going to replace my 5508 pre/pro with a 5509...under warranty

I am contemplating selling the 5509 when I get it and buying a Marantz 8801

In looking at what I think the value proposition is of the two 5509/8801

if anyone knows where I might be able to buy a new unit from an authorized dealer for $1800.00 ish...or less

please send me a PM with that information

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This type of pricing wasn't possible last year when I bought mine. I still don't think it is since I've seen used units sell for more... Maybe once it's discontinued if you wait?

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Onkyo is going to replace my 5508 pre/pro with a 5509...under warranty


I am contemplating selling the 5509 when I get it and buying a Marantz 8801


In looking at what I think the value proposition is of the two 5509/8801


if anyone knows where I might be able to buy a new unit from an authorized dealer for $1800.00 ish...or less


please send me a PM with that information


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This type of pricing wasn't possible last year when I bought mine. I still don't think it is since I've seen used units sell for more... Maybe once it's discontinued if you wait?

I am not sure where you have looked at sales of used units
I have seen a couple in the last 30 days on Ebay for $1500 ish from an individual....dealers seem to get about $100-125 more
Net to the seller after paypal/ebay fees and shipping is probably $1350 individual and $1450 dealer




IMO...when the 8802 hits the shelves the market value of the 8801 will probably take another 20% dive
that's typically the way it seems to work with the Asian electronics in my experience




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Onkyo is going to replace my 5508 pre/pro with a 5509...under warranty


I am contemplating selling the 5509 when I get it and buying a Marantz 8801


In looking at what I think the value proposition is of the two 5509/8801


if anyone knows where I might be able to buy a new unit from an authorized dealer for $1800.00 ish...or less

I got rid of my 5508 for a 8801 also. I had numerous Onkyos over the years, while they were great, I had two that acted up and had to be serviced.
I love the Marantz. Also, Im not sure where you would find a brand new 8801 for that cheap.
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I got rid of my 5508 for a 8801 also. I had numerous Onkyos over the years, while they were great, I had two that acted up and had to be serviced.
I love the Marantz. Also, Im not sure where you would find a brand new 8801 for that cheap.
I will let you know when/if I find one that cheap


I actually looked at the Yamaha Cx-a5000 ...it was available for that price from a dealer in the Baltimore area while they had inventory
Yamaha seems to be the most reliable brand from all they I see and have experienced...but the price I found is no longer available when that dealer sold their existing inventory


So...quite honestly...I am taking a little dip in reliability and looking at the Marantz
I personally have had mixed reliability issues with both Onkyo and D&M products...with both companies replacing units under warranty programs


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Why is the 7702 $1000 cheaper than the 8801?
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Why is the 7702 $1000 cheaper than the 8801?

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