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one question about XT32, it set my speaker like large(even 805D) and I have plenty of tight bass with this setup but I wondering if I change this to small I will lose the filters of the XT32 did. What do you think? I did changed it to small but the bass was more boomy.
The resolution is the same in sub and satellite filters, so any degradation to performance with an XO could be from 1) Not a good Audyssey run on the sub. Was the sub loud enough? Did you use all 8 positions? 2) The mains are in a more bass-friendly place than the sub. Audyssey can only do so much.

If I XO at 80hz I observe a degradation in performance, but this is because my room has a resonance at 80hz with the sub in it's current location. If I XO at 40hz, it sounds much better. Try a lower XO?
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Way too many devices are selling due to cosmetics as opposed to brute force measurements and capability. And this is fact.
this is not correct at all, all audio stuff are designed with a target customers in mind and if you sonically you are testing the dac's in both equipments the classe "to my ears" is more accurate because of this I bought it. many user will buy stuff that not needing for example I not need more then 5,1 channels processor so DTS X or dolby atmos never will be in my list, I was looking for better performance in concerts and movies and I found it with the AV8801 and a 50% of the retail price is a bargain.

if you are looking to exceed audio performance and "musicality" I don't think that you will get it with the 8802 but with a SSP-800 or high end processor you will be. if you want a good audio performance with multiples options, room correction, dolby atmos and 13.2 channel handling so the answer is easy "8802".

BTW classe CP800 have magnificent performance with technical aspects and I hear a small hiss if I put my ear 1" from my tweeter and to 1 feet I couldn't. when I did the same test with the AV8801 in my center and surround speaker the hiss is even lower than my front speakers(I bypass the CP800 when I listen multichannel content). maybe I'm wrong but low hiss noise is not a accurate measure of quality of equipment.

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The resolution is the same in sub and satellite filters, so any degradation to performance with an XO could be from 1) Not a good Audyssey run on the sub. Was the sub loud enough? Did you use all 8 positions? 2) The mains are in a more bass-friendly place than the sub. Audyssey can only do so much.

If I XO at 80hz I observe a degradation in performance, but this is because my room has a resonance at 80hz with the sub in it's current location. If I XO at 40hz, it sounds much better. Try a lower XO?
thanks for your answer.

The resolution is the same in sub and satellite filters, so any degradation to performance with an XO could be from 1) Not a good Audyssey run on the sub. Was the sub loud enough? Yes it was 76 dB according to marantz guide Did you use all 8 positions? Yes I did, even I put the mic’s in the same position that the marantz assistant required 2) The mains are in a more bass-friendly place than the sub. Audyssey can only do so much. I guess so, I planned my setup for two channels content mainly so I think that room acoustic I put in my room are helping this.

If I XO at 80hz I observe a degradation in performance, but this is because my room has a resonance at 80hz with the sub in it's current location. If I XO at 40hz, it sounds much better. Try a lower XO? Ok I will do.

BTW I have another doubt, finally I could use the XLR output to center and surround speaker and run again audyssey and I was surprised that the level set for it in this speaker was lower than before, for my center with rca cables was -3 dB and now with xlr is -1dB and the same thing happened with my surround, if the xlr have a gain of about 6dB why Audyssey set it with more gain that before?
After my last Audyssey reconfiguration the sub was taken of my system, not sound are coming from it, I think this room correction are not ok.


the XLR cables are musically II straightwire and for my fronts are kingcobra audioquest, in my fronts it was set to the level of -7.5 dB and during the audyssey configuration was way louder than my center and surround.

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Did you use all 8 positions? Yes I did, even I put the mic’s in the same position that the marantz assistant required
This suggests to me that you have not read the Audyssey 101 and FAQ. The instructions in the equipment manufacturers' owners' manuals are woefully inadequate and often misleading (as for the microphone positions). The Audyssey 101 document here on AVS will help you to get a better calibration.

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BTW I have another doubt, finally I could use the XLR output to center and surround speaker and run again audyssey and I was surprised that the level set for it in this speaker was lower than before, for my center with rca cables was -3 dB and now with xlr is -1dB and the same thing happened with my surround, if the xlr have a gain of about 6dB why Audyssey set it with more gain that before?
The actual gain difference depends on the implementation of the two types of connections in your amps. Different designs have different gains.
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After my last Audyssey reconfiguration the sub was taken of my system, not sound are coming from it, I think this room correction are not ok.
Check the subwoofer channel's trim level in the receiver. If it's "too low", the signal getting to the subwoofer might not be high enough to trigger the sub's auto-on feature. i.e. turn down the gain on the subwoofer itself so that the 8801 will turn up its output signal. Also, you'll have to manually change the settings for your front speakers from "Large" to "Small" in order to enable bass management with low frequencies redirected to the subwoofer. (This is all explained in the Audyssey FAQ.)

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this is not correct at all, all audio stuff are designed with a target customers in mind and if you sonically you are testing the dac's in both equipments the classe "to my ears" is more accurate because of this I bought it. many user will buy stuff that not needing for example I not need more then 5,1 channels processor so DTS X or dolby atmos never will be in my list, I was looking for better performance in concerts and movies and I found it with the AV8801 and a 50% of the retail price is a bargain.

if you are looking to exceed audio performance and "musicality" I don't think that you will get it with the 8802 but with a SSP-800 or high end processor you will be. if you want a good audio performance with multiples options, room correction, dolby atmos and 13.2 channel handling so the answer is easy "8802".

BTW classe CP800 have magnificent performance with technical aspects and I hear a small hiss if I put my ear 1" from my tweeter and to 1 feet I couldn't. when I did the same test with the AV8801 in my center and surround speaker the hiss is even lower than my front speakers(I bypass the CP800 when I listen multichannel content). maybe I'm wrong but low hiss noise is not a accurate measure of quality of equipment.
anyone with a 8801 willing to dump there prepro now to get a 8802 or 7702 is going to be really pissed off in about 2 yrs because once all the other competitors come out with there new codecs and,
If you do want 4k content, every device in your video chain must have HDCP 2.2.
HDCP stands for High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection. time to chill out and let these companies get there act together.
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And while you wait for 2.2, 2.4 will be in the works along with something else new. It's just the way of the world now.
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And while you wait for 2.2, 2.4 will be in the works along with something else new. It's just the way of the world now.
Absolutely. Buying AV gear isn't an "investment". It's about enjoying what is available, when it is available, IMO. I could have waited for DTS:X before I bought my Atmos unit. And then I would have missed out on a whole year of Atmos and DSU goodness. I decided to jump for Atmos and I will keep my Denon 5200 for two years, which means I will then miss out on a year of DTS:X goodness. But as there isn't likely to be much content for DTS:X for a while after launch this fall, that shouldn't be too bad. And any DTS:X discs that do become available, I can enjoy with DSU - and then enjoy them all over again when I get my DTS:X-capable unit.
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So I just re-ran the Audyssey setup on my 8801. I noticed during the setup that the mic positions, as shown on the monitor screen, are opposite of the ones laid out in the Audyssey FAQ on this forum. Which one to believe for best results?
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So I just re-ran the Audyssey setup on my 8801. I noticed during the setup that the mic positions, as shown on the monitor screen, are opposite of the ones laid out in the Audyssey FAQ on this forum. Which one to believe for best results?
It doesn't matter. Mic positions should follow general guidelines (ear height, stay away from walls and setbacks, position the mic 6-18" apart, use all 8 mic positions, etc.). The actual order of placement has no affect on the calibration. Don't obsess--sit back and enjoy your system.

Edit: A lot of work went into the FAQ, with contributions from many long-time users in the Audyssey thread, and wonderfully edited by Kbarnes701. You should feel completely confident that the advice therein is accurate.
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It doesn't matter. Mic positions should follow general guidelines (ear height, stay away from walls and setbacks, position the mic 6-18" apart, use all 8 mic positions, etc.). The actual order of placement has no affect on the calibration. Don't obsess--sit back and enjoy your system.

Edit: A lot of work went into the FAQ, with contributions from many long-time users in the Audyssey thread, and wonderfully edited by Kbarnes701. You should feel completely confident that the advice therein is accurate.
I have full confidence in the FAQ, and deeply appreciate the work that went into it by forum users. I used the FAQ mic positions, NOT the Marantz positions on the screen. And the technology guy in me thought there was a chance the the order of placement didn't matter, but I thought I'd ask.
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Just recieved a av8801 and playing around with it for a few days in Stereo mode with just the two main speakers which are Vandersteen 2c's. I don't know if im just used to a ton of bass but I feel the music is hallow without any punch to it. I have gone through all the settings multiple times but for the life of me still feel like it is just way too much treble and not enough bass. I hooked up my old 18+ year old Harmon Kardon avr200 mkII and that can pretty much shake the house with the amount of bass that it can produce even at low volumes. It does have a "Loudness" button on the HK and that is what boosts the sound to seem a lot fuller. Just wish this preamp had more oomph in the mids and down low.
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You provide little information on how you have configured the AVR. Are your speakers set to large or small? Do you have a sub? Have you run Audyssey room correction yet?
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anyone with a 8801 willing to dump there prepro now to get a 8802 or 7702 is going to be really pissed off in about 2 yrs because once all the other competitors come out with there new codecs and,
If you do want 4k content, every device in your video chain must have HDCP 2.2.
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there's pretty much a two-year cycle on this stuff, period. That's why I just invest in a good multi-channel amp, then upgrade pre-pro/receiver when major codec/formats/technology cycle
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You provide little information on how you have configured the AVR. Are your speakers set to large or small? Do you have a sub? Have you run Audyssey room correction yet?

Speakers set to large. Ran Audyssey and I do not have a subwoofer.
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Speakers set to large. Ran Audyssey and I do not have a subwoofer.
Obviously something has changed. Audyssey likely is producing a flatter response in the low end, and flatter can sound weaker. I wouldn't expect an 8" woofer to produce thunderous bass, but I also wouldn't expect the 8801 to be a step down when compared with your older AVR. I am a proponent of measuring audio response, and I am sure that measuring your old system vs. the new one would shed light on the situation.
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